• Welcome to the new Internet Infidels Discussion Board, formerly Talk Freethought.

The True Meaning of the Bible

 
 
 
Learner said:
pood said:
Learner said:
ideologyhunter said:
\
Click to expand...
Click to expand...
Click to expand...
The bible has said for eons, humans have within them the 'conscience'. How one acts or reacts to the wellbeing of others; positively or negatively through the 'conscience' is one of the main things up for judgement. Religious or otherwise.
Click to expand...

Conscience is an evolved trait of social animals. Other social animals have it, too. Non-social or eusocial animals don’t. Shrug. Nothing to do with any gods.
 
pood said:
I love the “duh” about a book of fairy tales that can and has been interpreted in countless ways, as if your way is a no-brainer. :rolleyes:
Click to expand...

Yeah, maybe tomorrow we'll work on colors, science boy.

pood said:
I’d rather read about disputes over quantum mechanics any time, then read people who squabble over the “meanings” in an ancient book of myths and fables that bears no actual relation to reality.
Click to expand...

What's keeping you?
 
ideologyhunter said:
Since Biblegod orders wars of extermination and authorizes brutal behavior toward slaves, this is nonsense. No one in the Bible, from start to finish, denies that their deity does this or finds anything grotesque about it. In the nineteenth and twentieth centuries, mankind at last began to see with clear vision what slaveholding and genocide really meant.
Click to expand...

Then they had science to make them primitives look like school girls, vamping up slavery and genocide to unimaginable heights. The atheist insists science is the greatest tool for discovering the natural world and that humans are animals, and then harp on the animalistic nature of religion historically, all the while denying the god they fail to notice, even by their own admission, that they themselves invented, for why would a believer have need to invent a god that already existed?
 
Last edited:
Learner said:
Hi Ris,
If I'm correct, I see you are a Jehovah Witness believer - a little late but welcome to the forum. I was myself for the curiosity of perspective taking JW lessons through a JW member who's now a friend. Although I still take to the common convention of Christianity i.e. the 'Trinity' doctrine, I have found these JW lessons are useful amongst a wide spectrum of Christian 'conceptual' understanding. (in a manner of speaking, the common denominators of all 'denominations' can unify into a sound doctrine)

You are only the second JW apologist I've ever come across in a forum. I know there are many out there.
Click to expand...

Hello, Learner, actually, no, I'm not a JW. I've never been a JW and never would be a part of any political or religious group. Here's a sort of introduction to me I posted in the Lounge, yesterday that explains some of that. Thanks for the welcome.
 
ideologyhunter said:
Learner said:
ideologyhunter said:
Yeah, it had to come down to blood and agony, because forgiveness has a price, unlike the forgiveness the believer is supposed to extend. That is sommmmmme story.
Click to expand...


..alternative peaceful Buddha-like gods, or other "loving god of the hippies" would be incapable of understanding the concept of justice for the victims of atrocious evils...
..
Click to expand...
Since Biblegod orders wars of extermination and authorizes brutal behavior toward slaves, this is nonsense.
Click to expand...
The Bible God only ever reacts to those consistently daring to war against Him (and his people) when God always gives several warnings beforehand.

Slaves, as I've mentioned on other threads going over old ground, were treated much better than the slaves taken from Africa to the Western nations. Slaves in the bible were mostly bond-servants which their servitude lasted for seven years before being freed as required by the commandments for the Hebrews.

ideologyhunter said:
No one in the Bible, from start to finish, denies that their deity does this or finds anything grotesque about it.
Click to expand...
That's sort of the interesting thing I found about the bible, which imo refutes the types of rhetorical arguments I often hear, for example,"the bible writers were doctoring the scriptures to make God look ultimately good etc. & etc.".

Yet beyond this particular logic of what should be most obvious a flawed plan... "meant to win over converts etc." has rather oddly been portrayed to be...um.."a good idea?" The suggested textual "contradictions" at the same time is also portraying a Loving God? "No need for erasures or alterations but instead...leave in all those details of atrocious wars among nations, the suffering, illness, disease,death and Gods harsh punishment". "Yeah, that'll do it, people will stampede the churches now".😉

To me, it sounds more like the reporting of 'how it was', as harsh as it sounds, no pretty picture, lacking the idea that "it would be a better idea to add imaginative embellishments to give a more delightful false illustration being much easier to accept and emotionally digest".

ideologyhunter said:
In the nineteenth and twentieth centuries, mankind at last began to see with clear vision what slaveholding and genocide really meant.
Click to expand...
Two different degrees of slavery, two different eras. One had it worse (African slaves) than the other (slaves of the the old testament).
 
Last edited:
RIS said:
Learner said:
Hi Ris,
If I'm correct, I see you are a Jehovah Witness believer - a little late but welcome to the forum. I was myself for the curiosity of perspective taking JW lessons through a JW member who's now a friend. Although I still take to the common convention of Christianity i.e. the 'Trinity' doctrine, I have found these JW lessons are useful amongst a wide spectrum of Christian 'conceptual' understanding. (in a manner of speaking, the common denominators of all 'denominations' can unify into a sound doctrine)

You are only the second JW apologist I've ever come across in a forum. I know there are many out there.
Click to expand...

Hello, Learner, actually, no, I'm not a JW. I've never been a JW and never would be a part of any political or religious group. Here's a sort of introduction to me I posted in the Lounge, yesterday that explains some of that. Thanks for the welcome.
Click to expand...
Ah ok. I don't belong to any particular denomination myself. I don't mind attending different churches when invited by friends/neighbours to events or services. After I enjoy a good chat over tea and cakes 🙂
 
  • Smile
Reactions: RIS
True meaning of Bible

Be a staunch Christian and if you are not one, become one.
Propaganda material, but not well-written, full of contradictions, necessitating apologetics.
 
aupmanyav said:
True meaning of Bible

Be a staunch Christian and if you are not one, become one.
Propaganda material, but not well-written, full of contradictions, necessitating apologetics.
Click to expand...

I know you from that other forum. Name one contradiction.
 
aupmanyav said:
True meaning of Bible

Be a staunch Christian and if you are not one, become one.
Propaganda material, but not well-written, full of contradictions, necessitating apologetics.
Click to expand...
Sorry aupmanyav, not enough detail on those contradictions. Your statement at the moment is the weight of a 'rumour'.

*Edit: Ris beat me to it.
 
Which ones would you bring up, and discuss?

(You can also type into Google: Bible contradictions answered, or Bible contradictions refuted, and get quite a list btw).
 
DBT said:
Learner said:
Which ones would you bring up, and discuss?

(You can also type into Google: Bible contradictions answered, or Bible contradictions refuted, and get quite a list btw).
Click to expand...

Answers that don't necessarily address or resolve the contradictions.
Click to expand...
Briefly to the above in a likewise very brief and aptly manner.

Contradictions doesn't necessarily mean "they can never be answered".
 
Ok, RIS, I'm going to ask you some questions about your faith.

First off, what of "the supernatural world" do you believe in, the structures, fixtures, characters, and metaphysics and so on?

Not specifically what the Bible says or even arguments from the Bible about it, but you as an individual, in your best faith.

For instance, do you believe in an end of days event? Or in demonic possession? In sold souls? Do you believe in a supernatural place of angels and/or demons, entities which shift our dates according to their goals?

ETA: it's hard to know what tack to take without a good baseline on your beliefs.
 
Learner said:
DBT said:
Learner said:
Which ones would you bring up, and discuss?

(You can also type into Google: Bible contradictions answered, or Bible contradictions refuted, and get quite a list btw).
Click to expand...

Answers that don't necessarily address or resolve the contradictions.
Click to expand...
Briefly to the above in a likewise very brief and aptly manner.

Contradictions doesn't necessarily mean "they can never be answered".
Click to expand...

An answer is not the same as a resolution. The question is, can a given contradiction be resolved? A rationale is not a resolution, for instance.
 
pood said:
Learner said:
pood said:
Learner said:
ideologyhunter said:
\
Click to expand...
Click to expand...
Click to expand...
The bible has said for eons, humans have within them the 'conscience'. How one acts or reacts to the wellbeing of others; positively or negatively through the 'conscience' is one of the main things up for judgement. Religious or otherwise.
Click to expand...

Conscience is an evolved trait of social animals. Other social animals have it, too. Non-social or eusocial animals don’t. Shrug. Nothing to do with any gods.
Click to expand...
By this understanding, animals have emotions, and they like eating as we do too. This indicates the same manufacturer or source. A creator in my view of course.
 
DBT said:
Learner said:
DBT said:
Learner said:
Which ones would you bring up, and discuss?

(You can also type into Google: Bible contradictions answered, or Bible contradictions refuted, and get quite a list btw).
Click to expand...

Answers that don't necessarily address or resolve the contradictions.
Click to expand...
Briefly to the above in a likewise very brief and aptly manner.

Contradictions doesn't necessarily mean "they can never be answered".
Click to expand...

An answer is not the same as a resolution. The question is, can a given contradiction be resolved? A rationale is not a resolution, for instance.
Click to expand...
The words Answer and Resolution can be used interchangeably, depending on context terms.
 
Learner said:
pood said:
Learner said:
pood said:
Learner said:
ideologyhunter said:
\
Click to expand...
Click to expand...
Click to expand...
The bible has said for eons, humans have within them the 'conscience'. How one acts or reacts to the wellbeing of others; positively or negatively through the 'conscience' is one of the main things up for judgement. Religious or otherwise.
Click to expand...

Conscience is an evolved trait of social animals. Other social animals have it, too. Non-social or eusocial animals don’t. Shrug. Nothing to do with any gods.
Click to expand...
By this understanding, animals have emotions, and they like eating as we do too. This indicates the same manufacturer or source. A creator in my view of course.
Click to expand...
Or evolution which has observational and experimental foundations.

Existence of a god is an assumption supported by supposition.
 
For Christians it comes down to a belief in the supernatural written in the OT over 2000 years ago by unknown authors art different times and places.

Written when superstition was the norm with little science.

Animal sacrifice to a god was not exclusive to Jews. In a greater context Jewish mythology was a pour cousin to more developed systems.

Egypt, Greece, Rome. Hinduism is the oldest tradition from what I read.
 
Learner said:
DBT said:
Learner said:
DBT said:
Learner said:
Which ones would you bring up, and discuss?

(You can also type into Google: Bible contradictions answered, or Bible contradictions refuted, and get quite a list btw).
Click to expand...

Answers that don't necessarily address or resolve the contradictions.
Click to expand...
Briefly to the above in a likewise very brief and aptly manner.

Contradictions doesn't necessarily mean "they can never be answered".
Click to expand...

An answer is not the same as a resolution. The question is, can a given contradiction be resolved? A rationale is not a resolution, for instance.
Click to expand...
The words Answer and Resolution can be used interchangeably, depending on context terms.
Click to expand...

Merely answering may do nothing to resolve the issue. The answer given may be irrelevant, absurd, trivial, a distraction....
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Back
Top Bottom