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Jeremiah's Undershorts

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Is anyone else a fan of Jeremiah 13: 1-11? That's the story of God mandating the prophet's underwear etiquette. It's such a strange (okay, dingbat) tale that I wonder how many preachers have used it as a Sunday reading. I'd guess that zero Sunday school teachers have used it, as kids giggle at just the word underwear.
In the earlier chapters of Jeremiah, God rails at Jerusalem, excoriating the people for idolatry and promising to hand them over to their enemies. He raises up Jeremiah as a prophet who will voice his warnings to Israel.
In chapter 13, God tells Jeremiah to buy some underwear (the Good News Bible says linen shorts, RSV says linen waistcloth), but not to wash them. After an unspecified period of wearing the linen, God tells him to take the shorts to the Euphrates River and hide them among the rocks. All Bibles that I've checked say Euphrates, but this doesn't make much sense. Jeremiah was living in Judah, just north of Jerusalem, and the journey to the Euphrates would force him to travel 300 miles each way (with a second round trip coming up.) That's a lot of travel to hide some unwashed skanky underwear. (Some apologists say that it wasn't the Euphrates but some local river with a similar name, and others think it was somehow a spiritual, not a literal journey. You know, like the metaphorical journey you make when it's time a pitch a pair of done-in shorts. I say, this is the Bible, so forget about logic, and let's say he ended up traveling a total of 1200 miles following God's bidding on the shorts.)
"Some time later" God tells him to go back to the Euphrates and get the underwear. Because he's a wise prophet of God, he makes the journey again to fetch the underwear. He finds them. Instead of this being a miracle narrative, with brand new fragrant linen undies coming out of the dirt, he finds that the shorts are now ruined and "no longer any good." Now comes the capper to the story, the reason God has directed his men's wear choices. God tells him that the tattered shorts are a sign of how he will besmirch and humiliate Judah and Jerusalem for idolatry. "They will become like these shorts that are no longer any good. Just as shorts fit tightly around the waist, so I intended the people of Israel and Judah to hold tightly to me." (If I taught this in Sunday school, this is where I'd interject, 'See, kids, God knows about the elastic waistband on underwear. So every time you're putting on underwear, it's like a symbol of...okay, forget that, that's kinda dumb.')
Then, mid-narrative, God drops the subject and goes into a teaching on wine jars. Here is where I felt the Bible let me down.
1) So Jeremiah, who has already traveled 900 miles on his underwear mission and has another 300 miles to travel to get home, finds out that the whole thing was to compare torn-up shady underwear to Israel? What a payoff for a prophet. "God, next time, could you just paint a picture for me? I had to wear creepy shorts and bury them and walk to the ends of the earth with them, so that you could compare the holes in them to your people?" I would've been so pissed off.
2) There wasn't even an Underwear Tour, where Jeremiah would've paraded the shorts all over the countryside, comparing the shorts to the Lord's people. I'm pretty sure they're never mentioned again.
3) Couldn't God just have given him an atomic wedgie? That would have messed the shorts up good, without all the mileage.
4) As far as I know, there's no Underwear of Turin equivalent (or my born-again cousins would've told me about it and traveled to the Holy Land to see 'em.) But think how special that garment was -- God actually used it for his purpose, and taught a lesson over it. He may have touched the shorts, who knows. They could have healing powers today. If you were deathly sick, wouldn't you want a minister to rub Jeremiah's old underwear all over you?

Well, it's a beautiful story, and it shows how God truly loved his people, and how if God tells you to take some old felonious BVDs on a looonnnggg journey, why, you need to do it, to show your faith and wisdom. I hope I have strengthened your faith today.
 
Members of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (often called Mormons) who have received their temple endowment wear a specific type of undergarment called the temple garment. It is not just underwear; it is a sacred symbol of their covenants with God. These garments are worn daily, under regular clothing, and serve as a reminder of those covenants.


My guess is there are other historical occurrences. I read somewhere Hebrews got the circumcision ritual from Egypt or somewhere else.

The OT is riddled with what to us are bizarre ritual and customs.

Hebrews were synthetic.

Jeremiah appears to be the typical preacher/prophet as we see today. If you don't like something say god is unhappy with it and god says this or that.

Routine fare in Christian TV and radio.
 
Well, it's a beautiful story, and it shows how God truly loved his people, and how if God tells you to take some old felonious BVDs on a looonnnggg journey, why, you need to do it, to show your faith and wisdom. I hope I have strengthened your faith today.
Yes, my faith has strengthened, much obliged. Miracles have occured for the masses. I can take lots and lots of underwear, all in one go, travelling on looong journeys on an iron Beast that roars like a lion, that also has it's name on its forehead and the face of a man inside. People shout it's name: Taxi! Taxi! (was it 'Hailing a Taxi' or is it 'Hail Taxi' when summoning the iron beast?)
 
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Well, it's a beautiful story, and it shows how God truly loved his people, and how if God tells you to take some old felonious BVDs on a looonnnggg journey, why, you need to do it, to show your faith and wisdom. I hope I have strengthened your faith today.
Yes, my faith has strengthened, much obliged. Miracles have occured for the masses. I can take lots and lots of underwear, all in one go, travelling on looong journeys on an iron Beast that roars like a lion, that also has it's name on its forehead and the face of a man inside. People shout it's name: Taxi! Taxi! (was it 'Hailing a Taxi' or is it 'Hail Taxi' when summoning the iron beast?)

Of course it strengthens your faith, it is why you are here.

Not to convince us but to convince yourself.

Routine Christian testifying to faith and rationalization. 'Miracles have occurred for the masse'.

Ukraine and Gaza are in dire need of miracles.
 
Postscript
It's possible I overstated the travail of Jeremiah, considering what some of the other OT prophets endured. (Remember, none of them ever got a podcast.) Here's three who would probably have traded their ordeals for Jeremiah's boxer trips.
Isaiah 20: God made Isaiah go bareass naked for three years. The Bible is explicit about the bareass part, see for yourself. This causes me to wonder about the public decency laws, back then. Also, was he preaching to the people in those three years? If so, did the people follow the curve of his reasoning, or was the presentation fairly straight? And how did he get into Dunkin or Wendys, in all that time?
Ezekiel 4: God orders Ezekiel to lie on his left side for 390 days, and on his right side for 40 days. As with the undies, this is again a metaphor, but God forces these prophets to act out his imagery. Ezekiel will become a living symbol of 390 years of punishment for Israel, and 40 years for Judah. So that's about 14 months to portray a metaphor. On the bright side, in the same chapter Ezekiel becomes the first (only?) human to dispute with God over the merits of cow patties vs. human waste as cooking fuel. Ezekiel wins the dispute.
II Kings 2: As most of us know, Elisha went through Bethel and had to endure being called Baldy by a mob of youths. In this case, God made it all right by having some bears run out and tear 42 of the boys to pieces.
Parents: Exercise care in teaching these scriptures to children, especially, say, inquisitive four or five-year-olds. Carefully and faithfully establish the ground rules first, that there are some things Cody or Chastity must not question. If they are, say, 13 or 14 when they first hear these scriptures, you should pray that they are actually mentally deranged and will accept the stories at face value. The family that prays together stays crazed together.
 
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Translation: Isiah was a creepy weirdo who liked to go around naked. Of course god told him to do it, as do creepy weirdos do today.

From what I read Socrates was a 'natural guy'. Did not like to bathe, went barefoot, and dressed simply.

The big mistake Christians make is thinking the OT characters are special, which they are not.

Solomon ad David today are murderers and sexual predators.
 
Well, it's a beautiful story, and it shows how God truly loved his people, and how if God tells you to take some old felonious BVDs on a looonnnggg journey, why, you need to do it, to show your faith and wisdom. I hope I have strengthened your faith today.
Yes, my faith has strengthened, much obliged. Miracles have occured for the masses. I can take lots and lots of underwear, all in one go, travelling on looong journeys on an iron Beast that roars like a lion, that also has it's name on its forehead and the face of a man inside. People shout it's name: Taxi! Taxi! (was it 'Hailing a Taxi' or is it 'Hail Taxi' when summoning the iron beast?)

Of course it strengthens your faith, it is why you are here.
I can concur with you here, old forum chum.

As irony would have it: I was not a Christian when I joined the forum. 😏 So yes, my faith is strengthening. I thank you for all your (plural) attempted arguments.

Routine Christian testifying to faith and rationalization. 'Miracles have occurred for the masse'.

Ukraine and Gaza are in dire need of miracles.
Loving your enemies as commanded by Jesus would certainly be 'miraculous'.
 
okey dokey Learner.

The fictional gospel Jesus said a number of things, like any fictional character. Witty profound sayings.

We still read and quote Shakespeare.

Jesus said pray in private and not for show in public as hypocrites do. IOW don't wear faith on your sleeve as most Christians do.

Jesus praised eunuchs.

After some online reading Greek and Roman mythology predate Hebrew mythology and there are links between between Greeks and Hebrew mythology.

Christianity based on botht old and new testaments are an illusion. Jewish mythology as a chosen people by a god is an illusion.

Love yiur enemy?

In context of the times Jesus aware of geopolitics was not talking about the wprld, he was talking to fellow Jews about Rome. Give to Ceasar what is his, to god what is his. Rome was the Jewish hated enemy.

Love your ememies meant get along with Romans or face destruction, which is what happened.
 
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