25 anniversary, 9/11

We over reacted and caused ourselves a lot of unnecessary pain.

I clearly remember the first day and the first night. People at work were stunned.

southernhybrid said:

Loren Pechtel said:

No. This is blaming the US for deaths Saddam engineered. Saddam repeatedly chose the path of doing nothing rather than accepting the approach that he couldn't make improper use of. The link to the study itself is coming up 403.

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I totally disagree with you. Despite the horrific act committed by a small number of Muslim terrorists, there was no reason to start the wars started by Bush. Plus, several thousand Americans died in his insane wars. When one group commits an act of terror, reacting by starting a war against an entire country is simply wrong, expensive and it kills a lot of people.'

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You're not rebutting my point.

Even if the war was totally unjustified it doesn't mean we caused the deaths that were caused by Saddam's stance of rejecting safe alternatives.

southernhybrid said:

I know you disagree, but I see what Israel has done in a similar way. Hamas committed a horrific act of terror that results in the deaths of many innocent people. But, affair, that didn't justify killing thousands of Palestinian citizens in return. War is hell and it's almost never a way to solve problems, but then considering that we are closely related to chimps, I guess I shouldn't be surprised that male dominated societies often act by starting expensive, damaging wars. Just sayin" Not going to argue endlessly about this.

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And the problem here is that you're looking at the wrong thing. The left has this obsession with groups. That which treats one group better than another group is seen as wrong. Hamas plays to this, looking at it as killing in return is allowing them to use their most powerful weapon: dead civilians. Israel didn't kill any civilians in return. Israel went after the people that attacked and their command structure. The fact that civilians got killed in the process is an unpleasant reality of war but the morality of their actions come down to civilian/combatant ratios, not total numbers.