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If people are 'dammed in hell' then a choice was made, IOW the threat of damnation didn't phase anyone. It's not just about YOU who's already doing that. Its about every single soul needing to do it also...live happily with each other. I suppose so putting it that way... ...disloyalty is doing...

The oceans are but a mere film of liquid coating the earth in proportion to the earth's solid mass. It shouldn't be that hard to suggest that water could recede fairly easy into a much greater mass being many times deeper in depth. (I used an AI just to get a quick visual gist of the...

Southern, I would have thought 'all' Christians would be that way to you. I was told the same thing as a child. The bible narrative would quite understandably, be told to children in a much simplified 'easy to digest' language! I can go with your statement: 'fairy tales are made for...

I'm not a Christian "guru" as I mention in the post above, but your young Christian friend. Was she a spiritual adviser or something similar to you? I shouldn't think it would be such a problem for an Almighty God - to put a designed system in place - no more a problem than to have a waste...

Reading past history, yes I see, since you like to bring this notion of yours up, I will say then, I'm pretty sure we have had a few debates for a few years, going back-and-forth in the past.. ... when you had a different handle/name? I have never claimed to be a Christian guru especially when...

So I can understand your understanding. Are you saying these geological upheavals "caused' the great volume of water that's covering the earth to appear as they exist now? or Do you mean that the oceans today have always existed at the levels it exists now - and those ruins were once above...

Yeah, pretty much says that about people that refuse to learn.Besides you got to apply that to the actual person who fits the description above because I don't actually think just anything is plausible. I certainly wouldn't want to be one of those who's so sure of his 'professing to be...

Absolutely. What people do affects the generations later down the line.

There are ancient ruins at the bottom of seas, and there is a great volume of water above them. There earth is 71% covered in water, therefore the whole earth being flooded at one point is easier to propose the plausibility.

Great post. There is an irony I have to say with the biblical debate, and the how it relates the bible and the court, given from what we read in your post above. The acceptable option to place your hand on the Bible in court, that is admissable being a serious consideration being part of the...

'Telling the truth' is the object of the testimony! Just because you've never experienced the same thing does not "automatically" make the testimony false, but you could attempt to argue the case that it's all made up, (if you have you own evidence for that). The other attempt for your case...

Yeah sure. Using psychology can reveal a lot in personal statements even if written thousands of years ago. Atheist are right when they argue Christians are emotional about their beliefs, not realising that this is actually crucial to understanding the state of mind of people back then through...

My word... people have been thrown in prison and 'hanged' on the word of other people giving reports,even many years later trying to recollect past events which aren't as fresh as they were the further apart from the time the events were witnessed. These reports, to 'state the obvious' are...

'Been there done that' comparison - seeing it then as you do now (back in my agnostic days). Jumping years forward, I say briefly, I took a look at the bible again and from what I read, and studies from others before me.. I now understood 'what should have been obvious', is the great emphasis on...

Admirably you've studied ever so hard for that moment to be presenting your case winner. It just needs the Creo to fall into this particular angle of debate. Look no further Elixir, this is the religion section of the forum.🙂 I believe Godditit, etc & etc.

Loki doesn't have a validator like Jesus is to God, does he? Obviously if we're considering Jesus existed of course.

I meant generally speaking, All Christians believe in God.

So you say to yourself. Bedsides, I took the 'lets focus..' line from what you wanted to do yourself in your previous relating post. That's the idea I was alluding to when I was sarcastically saying: "let's focus on the smarmy rhetoricals"and so on. Thanks for reporting. Yes well, using...

To all believers it's a private belief, yet they believe in the same thing regarding God of the bible. What is evidence for them doesn't necessarily mean the already-set-in-mind atheists would see things in the same way, which is often the case. Science doesn't conflict with their beliefs as...

Snap. I was just thinking that about some atheists. Nice one, let's focus and argue particularly on the 'smarmy retoricals' instead, but not acknowledge the NASA scientist (stock-in-trade?).