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Charles Koch, Liberal Crusader?

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t was something of a surreal moment. Charles de Ganahl Koch, the nerdy multibillionaire from Wichita who has become known as the Rasputin of the American Right, was trying to explain to me why he was getting into bed—politically speaking—with people like George Soros, his progressive archrival in the big-money-and-politics set, and Cory Booker, the liberal black senator and former mayor of beleaguered (and very Democratic) Newark, New Jersey.

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Koch had decided to help pull together a new coalition of left-right advocacy groups in Washington, including the Hillary Clinton-aligned Center for American Progress, to fight what he calls the “overcriminalization of America.” He was underwriting a documentary screening at the Newseum about Weldon Angelos, a marijuana dealer serving a 55-year sentence that even Angelos’ judge called “unjust” and “cruel”—and helping to train attorneys to aid poor people across the country. In March, Koch’s general counsel, Mark Holden, plans to join with Van Jones, a former Obama administration official who took the liberal side on CNN’s since-canceled “Crossfire,” in mounting the #Cut50 Bipartisan Summit, which will explore strategies for reducing America’s incarcerated population by 50 percent over the next 10 years. (Jones’s old CNN adversary, Newt Gingrich, is also involved.)

http://www.politico.com/magazine/st...overcriminalization-115512.html#ixzz3UBtcfQ3p

Is this the time for real reform to finally take place in the US criminal justice system? With the protests against policing tactics and over use of force, to the disparities in sentencing, to overcrowded prisons while violent crime has been plummeting, to the right and the left starting to agree on the issue, will we see anything meaningful happen in the next decade?
 
Sounds like a very worthy cause. As for Mr. Koch, stopped clock and all.
 
The bastard isn't happy only controlling half the Federal government and a few governors.

Like most incredibly rich people, he wants everything.

If he cares so much why hasn't he come out in favor of nationalized universal health insurance?
 
The bastard isn't happy only controlling half the Federal government and a few governors.

Like most incredibly rich people, he wants everything.

If he cares so much why hasn't he come out in favor of nationalized universal health insurance?

If you haven't figured it out yet - he wants less government control of people's lives - which includes controlling them though prisons and police as well.
 
The bastard isn't happy only controlling half the Federal government and a few governors.

Like most incredibly rich people, he wants everything.

If he cares so much why hasn't he come out in favor of nationalized universal health insurance?

If you haven't figured it out yet - he wants less government control of people's lives - which includes controlling them though prisons and police as well.

He wants the wealthy to control people's lives and he wants to eliminate any government protections from that happening.
 
If you haven't figured it out yet - he wants less government control of people's lives - which includes controlling them though prisons and police as well.

He wants the wealthy to control people's lives and he wants to eliminate any government protections from that happening.

No, I don't believe he would support the wealthy being allowed to hire private police and putting people in private prisons paid for by the wealthy to control them.
 
He wants the wealthy to control people's lives and he wants to eliminate any government protections from that happening.

No, I don't believe he would support the wealthy being allowed to hire private police and putting people in private prisons paid for by the wealthy to control them.

You have a limited imagination.

Control the water and land and food and you can get the masses to do whatever you desire.
 
No, I don't believe he would support the wealthy being allowed to hire private police and putting people in private prisons paid for by the wealthy to control them.

You have a limited imagination.

Control the water and land and food and you can get the masses to do whatever you desire.

Seeing as food has never been more plentiful and cheaper/easier to obtain in the free market economies under private ownership than at any other time in the history of the human species, your fears seem quite baseless.
 
You have a limited imagination.

Control the water and land and food and you can get the masses to do whatever you desire.

Seeing as food has never been more plentiful and cheaper/easier to obtain in the free market economies under private ownership than at any other time in the history of the human species, your fears seem quite baseless.

We have a very powerful central government insuring that the food supply is safe and plentiful.

Eliminate that government and you have something else entirely.

I know a little history. I know what the food supply was like before the FDA and why the FDA was needed.
 
Seeing as food has never been more plentiful and cheaper/easier to obtain in the free market economies under private ownership than at any other time in the history of the human species, your fears seem quite baseless.

We have a very powerful central government insuring that the food supply is safe and plentiful.

Eliminate that government and you have something else entirely.

I know a little history. I know what the food supply was like before the FDA and why the FDA was needed.

Yes, the food may be less safe with out the FDA and the FDA may be a net positive for society, but what does that have to do with the kind of control the wealthy would have over others that you claimed would happen under the Koch world? How would it make food any harder to obtain or make it any less plentiful? How would the absence of the FDA give the wealthy the ability to control people in the puppet master fashion that you insinuated?
 
We have a very powerful central government insuring that the food supply is safe and plentiful.

Eliminate that government and you have something else entirely.

I know a little history. I know what the food supply was like before the FDA and why the FDA was needed.

Yes, the food may be less safe with out the FDA and the FDA may be a net positive for society, but what does that have to do with the kind of control the wealthy would have over others that you claimed would happen under the Koch world? How would it make food any harder to obtain or make it any less plentiful? How would the absence of the FDA give the wealthy the ability to control people in the puppet master fashion that you insinuated?

Just a less safe food supply, big deal.

The control I'm talking about is the ability to hold food back and keep it out of the food supply.

The government presently ensures that does not happen.

Eliminate government oversight and maybe the people who own the food threaten to hold it back, or they don't.

I prefer not to give them that option.
 
The control I'm talking about is the ability to hold food back and keep it out of the food supply.

The government presently ensures that does not happen.

Eliminate government oversight and maybe the people who own the food threaten to hold it back, or they don't.

I prefer not to give them that option.
:realitycheck:

Um, you know it's governments that pay farmers to kill livestock and not to grow crops, don't you?
 
Koch does good things as well as bad. Like I was taught in church our saints: will always be demons too.
 
The control I'm talking about is the ability to hold food back and keep it out of the food supply.

The government presently ensures that does not happen.

Eliminate government oversight and maybe the people who own the food threaten to hold it back, or they don't.

I prefer not to give them that option.
:realitycheck:

Um, you know it's governments that pay farmers to kill livestock and not to grow crops, don't you?

This is just one of the ways the government supports prices and maintains the food supply.
 
If you haven't figured it out yet - he wants less government control of people's lives - which includes controlling them though prisons and police as well.

He wants the wealthy to control people's lives and he wants to eliminate any government protections from that happening.

This.

Most of the government that Koch et al. have opposed has been government that limits the freedom of large corporations to externalize production costs onto the public. I cynically believe that this move by Koch is a political ploy to gain some "personal freedom" cred among people that are outside the typical conservative base. The Republican vote for Koch policies is locked up. They need some non-Republicans on their side.
 
There are almost too many problems with the justice system.

1) Bonding agencies are about half the problem as poor people can't afford it and are at the mercy of prosecutors. NPR had an impressive piece on this a few years back.
2) Justice is equated to arbitrary time served and has absolutely no focus on rehabilitation.
3) Overcrowded prisons (the company I work for prides itself for a few prison designs and I'm looking at that as a bad thing, seeing that we need so many in the first place
4) Convictions for favors/money scandals seen in the past. Fees in Ferguson, teenagers having their lives ruined by getting unfair sentences because of connections between the judges and the private prisons. Anyone remember the statutory rape case of the teenager that got him put in jail with 10+ sentence, a case entirely controlled by the prosecutor?
The bastard isn't happy only controlling half the Federal government and a few governors.

Like most incredibly rich people, he wants everything.

If he cares so much why hasn't he come out in favor of nationalized universal health insurance?

If you haven't figured it out yet - he wants less government control of people's lives - which includes controlling them though prisons and police as well.
Yes and no, because the trouble is prison sentences have been proven to be linked to private for-profit prison systems bribing Judges. The extent of it is unknown, but it has been shown to have happened.
 
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