• Welcome to the Internet Infidels Discussion Board.

Christian beliefs recklessly endangering - Korean cult

Rhea

Cyborg with a Tiara
Staff member
Joined
Jan 31, 2001
Messages
15,413
Location
Recluse
Basic Beliefs
Humanist
I was reading about the Korean cult that is spreading COVID-19. Looks like it is recklessly deliberate. They tell their people to lie about their travel history, tell them to keep going out to proselytize, and tell them to not worry about sickness or disease because god will provide.

A witches brew of callous disregard cloaked in piety. Who can blame them. The Bible does indeed instruct them so.
 
Snake handlers, but with EEENSY TEENSY snakes.

They tell their people to lie about their travel history,
You wanna get chipped for tracking purposes? Because that's how you're gonna get us all chipped!
 
The Christian Moonie cult in Korea and USA.

Rev Sun Myung Moon

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sun_Myung_Moon

In 1954, he founded the Holy Spirit Association for the Unification of World Christianity in Seoul, South Korea based on conservative, family-oriented teachings from new interpretations of the Bible.[15][16] In 1971, he moved to the United States[17] and became well known after giving a series of public speeches on his beliefs.[18][19] In the 1982 case United States v. Sun Myung Moon he was found guilty of willfully filing false federal income tax returns and sentenced to 18 months in federal prison. His case generated protests from clergy and civil libertarians, who said that the trial was biased against him.[20]

Moon was criticized for making high demands of his followers.[21][22][23] His wedding ceremonies also drew criticism, especially after they involved members of other churches, including Roman Catholic archbishop Emmanuel Milingo.[24][25] He was also criticized for his relationships with political and religious figures, including U.S. Presidents Richard Nixon,[26] George H. W. Bush and George W. Bush, Soviet President Mikhail Gorbachev,[27] North Korean President Kim Il Sung,[28] and Nation of Islam leader Louis Farrakhan.[29]
 
Are those people Moonies? I didn't make the connection. Regardless, the bible itself gives them the fodder to screw with this world because they are caring only about the next.
 
Are those people Moonies? I didn't make the connection. Regardless, the bible itself gives them the fodder to screw with this world because they are caring only about the next.

Yeah. This is the problem with the sort of monotheistic, life-denying religions like Christianity and Islam. Among their true believers, it is palpable how much contempt they have for this world.

Now, towards the end of his life, I had my fair share of disagreements with Christopher Hitchens, mostly political, but I do think he has some of the best anti-theist rhetoric and makes the best ant-theist case. Anti-theism being the position that belief in a god is not merely mistaken but damaging, destructive, or encourages bad behavior.

One of my favorite responses he gave to a question during his debate with Frank Turek at VCU touched on this theme, it was an audience member's question, "If there is no God, why do you spend your whole life trying to convince people that there isn't? Why don't you just stay home?" His response:

Well it’s not my—it isn’t my whole career, for one thing. It’s become a major preoccupation of my life though in the last eight or nine years, especially since September 11, 2001 to try and help generate an opposition to theocracy and its depredations. That is now probably my main political preoccupation, to help people in Afghanistan, in Somalia, in Iraq, in Lebanon, in Israel resist those who sincerely want to encompass the destruction of civilization and sincerely believe they have God on their side in wanting to do so. A thing—maybe I will take a few minutes just to say something that I find repulsive about, especially monotheistic, Messianic religion. With a large part of itself, it quite clearly wants us all to die. It wants this world to come to an end. You can tell the yearning for things to be over. Whenever you read any of its real texts or listen to any of its real, authentic spokemen, not the sort of pathetic apologists who sometimes masquerade for it, those who talk—there was a famous spokesmen for this in Virginia until recently, about the rapture say that those of us who have chosen rightly will be gathered to the arms of Jesus, leaving all of the rest of you behind. If we’re in a car, it’s your lookout, that car won’t have a driver anymore. If you’re a pilot, that’s your lookout, that plane will crash. We will be with Jesus and the rest of you can go straight to hell. The eschatological element that is inseparable from Christianity—if you don’t believe that there is to be an apocalypse, there is going to be an end, a separation of the sheep and the goats, a condemnatioan, a final one, then you’re not really a believer, and their contempt for things of this world shows through all of them. It’s well put in an old rhyme from an English exclusive bretheren sect. It says that, “We are the pure and chosen few and all the rest are damned. There’s room enough in hell for you, we don’t want heaven crammed.” You can tell it when you see the extreme Muslims talk. They cannot wait, they cannot wait for death and destruction to overtake and overwhelm the world. They can’t wait for, what I would call without ambiguity, a final solution. When you look at the Israeli settlers, paid for often by American tax dollars, deciding that if they can steal enough land from other people and get all the Jews into the promised land and all the non-Jews out of it then finally the Jewish people will be worthy of the return of the Messiah and there are Christians in this country who consider it their job to help this happen so that Armageddon can occur so that the painful business of living as humans and studying civilization and trying to acquire learning and knowledge and health and medicine and to push back—can all be scrapped and the cult of death can take over. That, to me, is a hideous thing in eschatological terms and end time terms on its own, hateful idea, hateful practice and a hateful theory but very much to be opposed in our daily lives where there are people who sincerely mean it, who want to ruin the good relations that could exist between different peoples, nations, races, countries, tribes, ethnicities, who say—who openly say they love death more than we love life and who are betting that with God on their side, they’re right about that. So when I say, as the subtitle of my book, that I think religion poisons everything, I’m not just doing what publishers like and coming up with a provocative subtitle, I mean to say it infects us in our most basic integrity. It says we can’t be moral without Big Brother, without a totalitarian permission. It means we can’t be good to one another, it means we can't think without this. We must be afraid, we must also be forced to love someone who we fear, the essence of sado-masochism and the essence of abjection, the essence of the master-slave relationship and that knows that death is coming and can’t wait to bring it on. I say this is evil. And though I do, some nights, stay at home, I enjoy more the nights when I go out and fight against this ultimate wickedness and ultimate stupidity. Thank you.


Here is link to a video of the above, for those who prefer hearing things:

[YOUTUBE]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5b1aIuoCq4w[/YOUTUBE]

And listen, I don't think this characterizes most religious people, but mostly that's because most religious people aren't very religious. They don't really believe what their religions are saying, they just have a set of cultural practices they inherited from their loved ones that they find comforting and they were raised to respect. But when I meet people that actually take their religion seriously, the people that really get into to it, it's often something that comes out quite strongly.
 
Update: Wow, they are doing the right thing, IMHO. But the implications of this as a precedent are something we should consider carefully:

The city of Seoul, South Korea, on Sunday asked prosecutors to investigate the founder of a church at the center of the country’s coronavirus outbreak and other top leaders of the sect on murder and other criminal charges.

Officials believe that the church has contributed to the country’s rising death toll from the virus — which reached 18 as of Sunday — by failing to provide disease-control officials with a full accurate list of church members and by interfering with the government’s efforts to fight the outbreak.

In a Facebook post, Mayor Park Won-soon of Seoul said the church’s behavior was tantamount to “murder through to willful negligence.”

Officials say that nearly 60 percent of the 3,736 confirmed cases in South Korea are in members of Shincheonji Church of Jesus in the southeastern city of Daegu or people who came into contact with them.

[...]

Shincheonji officials did not immediately respond to a request for comment on Sunday. The church has said it was fully cooperating with the government, calling itself the victim of a “witch hunt.”

From the NYT
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/01/...ule=Top Stories&pgtype=Homepage#link-4d6f6c6e

The crime, as I see it, is defying government instructions about curbing the outbreak (using religion as the excuse):
- lying about whether members had been to Wuhan
- lying about who had been in these close-contact meetings
- continuing to evangelize while knowingly sick (using religion to claim, "but it doesn't matter, God says so")
 
Are those people Moonies? I didn't make the connection. Regardless, the bible itself gives them the fodder to screw with this world because they are caring only about the next.

Just showing goofy sometimes dangerous harmful Christian sects are not limited to USA.
 
Back
Top Bottom