Hillary thinks women like this deserve special treatment because they are female ...

[Derec]

Suspect in Black Friday murder scheme sentenced to life in prison

Police have said they believe that Cervantez, 27, and Mallory, 21, beat and bound Harris and then set her body on fire to steal her keys to the store so that they could take the store’s cash.
Harris’ body was found Nov. 28, 2014, in her apartment, tied at the ankles and wrists, facedown at the foot of her bed, which was blackened by fire.
Tarrant County prosecutor Kevin Rousseau told the court Thursday that Cervantez and Mallory were planning to rob the American Eagle Outfitters Abilene Mall store, just like they had robbed the Hulen Mall American Eagle store that August.

Of course she claimed her boyfriend somehow "forced" her to do it, but luckily the jury did not fall for that.
Unfortunately, Hillary is far more gullible.

When Tanya was 20, she made a new friend on the basketball court. For two months, they rode his motorcycle all over town, just hanging out. Then one day, he told her he needed to pick something up from his sister. He actually went and robbed a house. When the police caught up with them, Tanya was arrested. She was sentenced to 12 years in prison for a robbery she didn't commit.

Of course she was going to say that, just like Cervantez claimed she was "forced" by her boyfriend to participate in robbery and murder. But how does Hillary know that is the truth? Just because she is female and thus deserves to be believed no matter what? Unfortunately Hillary only gives us a fake first name so there is no way to check the facts of the robbery. But presumably a court was convinced beyond a reasonable doubt that she was indeed a party to the robbery. And while courts can get it wrong, so can ideologues running for president.
Further down in the article Hillary goes on.

And third, we need to be deliberate about understanding the different paths that can land women in prison, be more attentive to women's unique needs while they are incarcerated, and do more to support women and their families once they are released. I will institute gender-responsive policies in the federal prison system and encourage states to do the same—because women follow different paths to crime than men, and face different risks and challenges both inside and outside the prison walls, and every part of the justice system, from sentencing to the conditions of confinement to re-entry services, should reflect women's unique needs.

I.e. she wants to treat men and women differently before the law. "Some animals are more equal" is not a clause in the 14th Amendment however.
One of Hillary's slogans is "Fighting for us".

She is certainly not fighting for me! #neverHillary

 

[laughing dog]

Let me get this straight. You claim that Hillary Clinton proposes to treat a convicted murderer of a heinous crime differently based on some nonsourced HRC quotes taken out of context about some woman who participated in a robbery and quotes about federal prison policy? Wow.

 

[Derec]

Let me get this straight. You claim that Hillary Clinton proposes to treat a convicted murderer of a heinous crime differently based on some nonsourced HRC quotes taken out of context about some woman who participated in a robbery and quotes about federal prison policy? Wow.

She explicitly said she wants to treat female criminals differently here. Add that to her sexist statements about women being "primary victims of war" and how female rape accusers should always be believed and it doesn't look good.

 

[laughing dog]

She explicitly said she wants to treat female criminals differently here.

Here are her comments in context:

We can't go on like this. It is time we reform our broken criminal justice system. First, we need to reform policing practices, end racial profiling, and eradicate racial disparities in sentencing. Second, we need to promote alternatives to incarceration, particularly for nonviolent and first-time offenders, so families aren't broken up. We need to improve access to high-quality treatment for substance abuse, inside and outside the prison system, because drug and alcohol addiction is a disease, not a crime — and we need to treat it as such.
And third, we need to be deliberate about understanding the different paths that can land women in prison, be more attentive to women's unique needs while they are incarcerated, and do more to support women and their families once they are released. I will institute gender-responsive policies in the federal prison system and encourage states to do the same—because women follow different paths to crime than men, and face different risks and challenges both inside and outside the prison walls, and every part of the justice system, from sentencing to the conditions of confinement to re-entry services, should reflect women's unique needs.

So, she is not proposing to treat women differently prior to conviction, so your OP is patently misleading. She is proposing to have the federal prison system to "be more attentive to women's unique needs" and to provide more support to women and their families upon release. Frankly, I don't see why that would or should upset anyone.

Add that to her sexist statements about women being "primary victims of war" and how female rape accusers should always be believed and it doesn't look good.

All rape accusers should be believed until the evidence indicates they should not be believed. Otherwise, there would be no investigations. Duh.

 

[Arctish]

Let me get this straight. You claim that Hillary Clinton proposes to treat a convicted murderer of a heinous crime differently based on some nonsourced HRC quotes taken out of context about some woman who participated in a robbery and quotes about federal prison policy? Wow.

She explicitly said she wants to treat female criminals differently here. Add that to her sexist statements about women being "primary victims of war" and how female rape accusers should always be believed and it doesn't look good.

Put all those statements back into their original context and it looks perfectly reasonable.

"Treat female criminals differently" in context means acknowledging that women are far more likely to be non-violent offenders than men, have a much lower recidivism rate than men, and are "more likely than men in prison to have experienced sexual abuse or trauma in their life before prison". Acknowledging differences in order to improve outcomes is not a problem unless the only thing you're interested in is punishment for punishment's sake.

Women being "primary victims of war" in context means that men who join militias, rebels outfits, the military, paramilitary, or police forces are not victims unless they were forcibly conscripted; otherwise, they are volunteers in the wars they fight. Women who do not voluntarily join the fight are nevertheless subjected to it; they face the destruction of their homes, rape, kidnapping, the loss of loved ones, destitution, etc. They and their children are the primary victims, though not usually the primary targets when the bullets start flying.

"Female rape accusers should always be believed" in context means that cops should always investigate criminal complaints to the best of their ability and utilizing the resources at their disposal, and never assume that someone reporting a crime is a lying liar who lies. So while it's understandable that cops sometimes make mistakes, simply disbelieving a person making a criminal complaint is unacceptable.

 

[RVonse]

Here are her comments in context:

, be more attentive to women's unique needs while they are incarcerated.....

Seems to me she should have said just the opposite. I have never heard of a woman being raped in prison but it very common in the men's prison. And I have always wondered why society feels it is ok to allow other men to rape men who may have only committed a minor crime in the first place. But you never hear about women raping other women in a womans prison though. So women probably do not need any special protection like men do to prevent being raped.

Hillary would have been more correct to say "be more attentive to men's unique needs while they are incarcerated....." IMO. Of course her whole discussion is meant to pander to women in the first place so she would never have uttered anything close to this.

 

[J842P]

Here are her comments in context:

Seems to me she should have said just the opposite. I have never heard of a woman being raped in prison but it very common in the men's prison. And I have always wondered why society feels it is ok to allow other men to rape men who may have only committed a minor crime in the first place. But you never hear about women raping other women in a womans prison though. So women probably do not need any special protection like men do to prevent being raped.

Hillary would have been more correct to say "be more attentive to men's unique needs while they are incarcerated....." IMO. Of course her whole discussion is meant to pander to women in the first place so she would never have uttered anything close to this.

Women get raped in prison, frequently by guards. Probably not as much as men get raped by other prisoners, though.

 

[Tristan Scott]

Let me get this straight. You claim that Hillary Clinton proposes to treat a convicted murderer of a heinous crime differently based on some nonsourced HRC quotes taken out of context about some woman who participated in a robbery and quotes about federal prison policy? Wow.

It's pretty clear that derec has issues.

 

[laughing dog]

Here are her comments in context:

Seems to me she should have said just the opposite. I have never heard of a woman being raped in prison but it very common in the men's prison. And I have always wondered why society feels it is ok to allow other men to rape men who may have only committed a minor crime in the first place. But you never hear about women raping other women in a womans prison though. So women probably do not need any special protection like men do to prevent being raped.

I have no idea what the frequency of prison rape is in men's or women's prisons. Apparently neither do you.

Hillary would have been more correct to say "be more attentive to men's unique needs while they are incarcerated....." IMO.

What unique needs are those?

Of course her whole discussion is meant to pander to women in the first place so she would never have uttered anything close to this.

Clearly you have no trouble with pandering, since you think it would more correct for her to pander to men.

 

[RVonse]

What unique needs are those?

Off the top of my head, I would say just put in security camera's and enforce proper conduct of the prison population. You know those same kind of cameras that are seen at about every traffic stop. But that will never happen since neither you, Hillary, or the rest of the world gives a shit what goes on to the men.

 

[laughing dog]

Off the top of my head, I would say just put in security camera's and enforce proper conduct of the prison population.

That is not a unique need for male prisoners.

You know those same kind of cameras that are seen at about every traffic stop. But that will never happen since neither you, Hillary, or the rest of the world gives a shit what goes on to the men.

I have a brother who has done time (2 different stretches), so you are vastly mistaken. Can you point to any candidate for federal office that does care about those men or advocates for cameras? My guess is that you cannot.

 

[Don2 (Don1 Revised)]

Can someone mansplain this thread to me?