Israel Moon Mission (Untermensche derail)

[lpetrich]

It is the Beresheet spacecraft. Its name is "In the Beginning" in Hebrew, the first word of the Bible. It is a rather small spacecraft, being 1.5 m high and 2 m across, and weiging 150 kg empty and 585 kg fueled. It carries a magnetometer for measuring the Moon's magnetic field and a retroreflector for finding the distance to the Moon by laser ranging. The Moon has remanent or frozen magnetism in its rocks, a leftover from the geological activity of its early history.

It was successfully launched atop a Falcon 9 rocket on February 22, along with some satellites, and it is currently making its way to the Moon. It will land on Mare Serenitatis on April 11.

It was built by  SpaceIL, a privately-funded nonprofit organization, and it was to compete in the now-defunct  Google Lunar X Prize.

Beresheet | The Planetary Society
Beresheet (SpaceIL Lunar Lander) - Gunter's Space Page
Israel launches Beresheet moon mission with privately funded spacecraft - CNN
Israel’s moon-bound spaceship Beresheet successfully completes first maneuver - Israel News - Haaretz.com "Beresheet is expected to land on the moon on April 11 and would be the smallest vehicle ever to accomplish that "
Israeli spacecraft launches, Beresheet heads into orbit towards the moon - Israel News - Jerusalem Post
Israeli lunar craft successfully completes first maneuver | The Times of Israel "Team behind private Beresheet venture says engine activated at distance of 69,400 kilometers from earth"

 

[untermensche]

This is Israeli missile research in the guise of looking for something on the Moon.

It is all about weapons.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

This is Israeli missile research in the guise of looking for something on the Moon.

It is all about weapons.

Why in the world would they send it all the way to the moon for weapon research? Deep space equipment is of no military use. The booster could be, but it would be a lot cheaper to deploy stuff in Earth's orbit to test that.

 

[skepticalbip]

This is Israeli missile research in the guise of looking for something on the Moon.

It is all about weapons.

WTF?

Israel only made the lander and scientific instrumentation package on that lander, not the booster. It was launched atop the SpaceX Falcon 9 rocket from Florida.

ETA:
Or are you claiming that Israel has weaponized the magnetometer?

 

[untermensche]

This is Israeli missile research in the guise of looking for something on the Moon.

It is all about weapons.

WTF?

Israel only made the lander and scientific instrumentation package on that lander, not the booster. It was launched atop the SpaceX Falcon 9 rocket from Florida.

ETA:
Or are you claiming that Israel has weaponized the magnetometer?

I'm sure there are some scientists that actually care about the magnetic fields of the moon.

But there is also interest in missile technology.

2 birds.

 

[Harry Bosch]

This is Israeli missile research in the guise of looking for something on the Moon.

It is all about weapons.

WTF?

Israel only made the lander and scientific instrumentation package on that lander, not the booster. It was launched atop the SpaceX Falcon 9 rocket from Florida.

ETA:
Or are you claiming that Israel has weaponized the magnetometer?

I'm sure there are some scientists that actually care about the magnetic fields of the moon.

But there is also interest in missile technology.

2 birds.

I had first thought that your posts in this thread was a joke. But you are not one who jokes much. How in the world could the magnetic fields of the moon assist in missile technology?

 

[Angra Mainyu]

This is Israeli missile research in the guise of looking for something on the Moon.

It is all about weapons.

WTF?

Israel only made the lander and scientific instrumentation package on that lander, not the booster. It was launched atop the SpaceX Falcon 9 rocket from Florida.

ETA:
Or are you claiming that Israel has weaponized the magnetometer?

I'm sure there are some scientists that actually care about the magnetic fields of the moon.

But there is also interest in missile technology.

2 birds.

It's not an Israeli rocket.
In fact, the rocket is not a missile, but a Falcon 9 Block 5, which already deployed the probe, came back to Earth and landed.

 

[untermensche]

I'm sure there are some scientists that actually care about the magnetic fields of the moon.

But there is also interest in missile technology.

2 birds.

It's not an Israeli rocket.
In fact, the rocket is not a missile, but a Falcon 9 Block 5, which already deployed the probe, came back to Earth and landed.

So you're saying Israel is lacking the technology?

So working intimately with people with the technology would not be a benefit?

 

[Angra Mainyu]

I'm sure there are some scientists that actually care about the magnetic fields of the moon.

But there is also interest in missile technology.

2 birds.

It's not an Israeli rocket.
In fact, the rocket is not a missile, but a Falcon 9 Block 5, which already deployed the probe, came back to Earth and landed.

So you're saying Israel is lacking the technology?

So working intimately with people with the technology would not be a benefit?

No, I'm not saying that Israel is lacking the technology. Israel has the technology to make ICBMs. This Israeli private company, which is not Israel, has neither the technology nor the money to make rockets to send a Moon mission, so they paid an American private company to take their probe to space. There was no intimate work. SpaceX provided a service it provides to companies from all over the world, and to countries as well.

 

[untermensche]

Israel has ICBM technology?

Where can I read about it?

 

[Angra Mainyu]

Israel has ICBM technology?

Where can I read about it?

Well, they are not open about it, just as they are not open about their nukes, but just search "Jericho III". While it's debated whether the range is enough to make it an ICBM, it is from 2008, so if it wasn't an ICBM then, by now they very probably have the capability. But let us say Israel does not have ICBM tech. It does not change the facts about this mission, which was a SpaceX mission. Israel gets no rocket engine tech out of it.

 

[untermensche]

In other words Israel could use some ICBM technology.

 

[Angra Mainyu]

In other words Israel could use some ICBM technology.

No, that is not "in other words". I said something very different. Of course, Israel, like Russia, China, the US, etc., could use some ICBM tech, so that they would have even better tech than they have now. My point was that Israel is not getting any from this launch. It's a private company hiring another private company to do a standard job, which involves no transfer of technology.

 

[untermensche]

How do you know what Israel is getting?

 

[Loren Pechtel]

I'm sure there are some scientists that actually care about the magnetic fields of the moon.

But there is also interest in missile technology.

2 birds.

I had first thought that your posts in this thread was a joke. But you are not one who jokes much. How in the world could the magnetic fields of the moon assist in missile technology?

It's Israel, he figures it must be done for nefarious purposes. Pure racism.

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I'm sure there are some scientists that actually care about the magnetic fields of the moon.

But there is also interest in missile technology.

2 birds.

It's not an Israeli rocket.
In fact, the rocket is not a missile, but a Falcon 9 Block 5, which already deployed the probe, came back to Earth and landed.

Huh? What deploys the probe doesn't land. In time it will be destroyed in re-entry. It's only the first stage that gets recovered.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

Israel has ICBM technology?

Where can I read about it?

You're looking for the Jericho III missile. It is suspected that it can throw 1000kg at the lower end of ICBM range.

This is related to but separate from their Shavit space launch vehicle which has been in service for 30 years. The Shavit isn't big enough to throw a probe to the moon, though.

 

[skepticalbip]

In other words Israel could use some ICBM technology.

No, that is not "in other words". I said something very different. Of course, Israel, like Russia, China, the US, etc., could use some ICBM tech, so that they would have even better tech than they have now. My point was that Israel is not getting any from this launch. It's a private company hiring another private company to do a standard job, which involves no transfer of technology.

You shouldn't chase unter's red herrings. It only results in never ending nonsense. Unter realizes that his anti-israli first post was a pathetic attempt that only demonstrated his ignorance of what was done. Now, rather than admit a mistake, he is attempting to provoke an argument that has nothing to do with the OP.

 

[Angra Mainyu]

How do you know what Israel is getting?

I know what they are not getting, because it is a standard SpaceX mission, and SpaceX is not in the business of making its rocket knowledge available for free. Now, if SpaceX secretly made a pact with the Israeli government to transfer technology (which is of course extremely improbable), that would not need at all this mission, so they would get the info not from the mission, but from the secret pact.


By the way, you claimed:

This is Israeli missile research in the guise of looking for something on the Moon.

It is all about weapons.

Do you have any evidence to believe that?

 

[untermensche]

How do you know what Israel is getting?

I know what they are not getting, because it is a standard SpaceX mission, and SpaceX is not in the business of making its rocket knowledge available for free...

The US was not giving away it's nuclear secrets either.

 

[Angra Mainyu]

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I'm sure there are some scientists that actually care about the magnetic fields of the moon.

But there is also interest in missile technology.

2 birds.

It's not an Israeli rocket.
In fact, the rocket is not a missile, but a Falcon 9 Block 5, which already deployed the probe, came back to Earth and landed.

Huh? What deploys the probe doesn't land. In time it will be destroyed in re-entry. It's only the first stage that gets recovered.

Okay, I misspoke. But if you want to nitpick, I said the rocket deployed the probe, and that is true; all parts are involved in the whole process of deploying the probe. I was accurate in saying that the rocket landed, since only the first stage landed. It does not affect the relevant points, though.