Ladies Night Derail From ERA Thread

[Derec]

So is this going to be real equality, i.e. going both ways, or will it just benefit women?

Will it for example end preferential treatment women receive in divorce/child support, in college admissions, in support services in college. Will women have to register for selective service and be in danger of being drafted?

Hell, women even get preferential treatment when going out, with all the "ladies nights" where women can get in with no cover charge and then get discounted drinks.

 

[Jason Harvestdancer]

There is an economic reason for "Ladies Night", but that is a business policy and not a government policy.

Still, there are governments that do seem to want to crack down on this form of discrimination.

 

[Derec]

There is an economic reason for "Ladies Night",

Like what?

but that is a business policy and not a government policy.

It's still discriminatory. If racist business practices were ended by the Civil Rights Act, there is no reason not to ban Ladies' Night as being discriminatory.

Still, there are governments that do seem to want to crack down on this form of discrimination.

They should! Unfortunately, I see this type of discrimination all the time.

 

[Jarhyn]

So is this going to be real equality, i.e. going both ways, or will it just benefit women?

Will it for example end preferential treatment women receive in divorce/child support, in college admissions, in support services in college. Will women have to register for selective service and be in danger of being drafted?

Hell, women even get preferential treatment when going out, with all the "ladies nights" where women can get in with no cover charge and then get discounted drinks.

You could always try going to a gay bar. It's pretty standard to get into a gay bar with no cover before 9:00, and to get two for one drinks no matter who you are. And as a bonus, you'll have no trouble connecting with someone who would probably be willing to do some hand and mouth stuff

 

[repoman]

How much is Jeff Bezos wife going to get in the divorce settlement?

 

[Derec]

How much is Jeff Bezos wife going to get in the divorce settlement?

She should get 0. I mean it's not like he has access to her cleaning, cooking or sex after divorce. So why should she still have access to his money?

I do not see why any man agrees to get married. It's basically signing up to be a serf for the rest of your life, given the gynocentric divorce laws we have.

 

[Derec]

You could always try going to a gay bar. It's pretty standard to get into a gay bar with no cover before 9:00, and to get two for one drinks no matter who you are. And as a bonus, you'll have no trouble connecting with someone who would probably be willing to do some hand and mouth stuff

I'm not gay, so thanks but no thanks. I don't want an Abraham Lincoln lookalike to try to put anything in me.

I still don't see why I should subsidize women though. It's discriminatory on its face.

 

[Derec]

Or, it would do no such thing, except for to make the legislation interperable as expressly applying equally to everyone, and thus alleviate a great deal of the whining certain people do about the "biases" in the bill.

The VAWA is clearly biased against men. Even the very name is sexist and exclusionary.

 

[Jason Harvestdancer]

Like what?

You will get more men into your bar if you have more women in your bar. You will get more women into your bar if you offer them discounts. What you lose in the discount on the one hand you more than make up for it on the other.

Yes, it is discriminatory, and I'm not the one who argues there must never be any discrimination (except for discrimination approved of by the Progressive Stack). I say let a business do what it wants.

 

[Derec]

You will get more men into your bar if you have more women in your bar. You will get more women into your bar if you offer them discounts. What you lose in the discount on the one hand you more than make up for it on the other.

Shouldn't women go to bars not because men (indirectly) pay them to go there, but because they enjoy it and want to be there themselves?
If I need to pay women to be at the bar, I might as well drop the charade and go directly to a strip club.

Yes, it is discriminatory, and I'm not the one who argues there must never be any discrimination (except for discrimination approved of by the Progressive Stack). I say let a business do what it wants.

The problem is that the only discrimination allowed these days is the discrimination in favor of those on top of the Progressive Stack.
For example, the mayor of New York is a big fan of sexist women-only workspaces. Would those be banned too under ERA?

 

[Jason Harvestdancer]

You will get more men into your bar if you have more women in your bar. You will get more women into your bar if you offer them discounts. What you lose in the discount on the one hand you more than make up for it on the other.

Shouldn't women go to bars not because men (indirectly) pay them to go there, but because they enjoy it and want to be there themselves?
If I need to pay women to be at the bar, I might as well drop the charade and go directly to a strip club.

I don't believe I actually have to explain this. The bar is giving the discounts, the men are going there to meet the women. Not just watch them, to meet them. Women can and do go to bars all on their own, but if the one bar is offering regular price and the other bar is offering a discount then the women have a financial incentive to choose the other bar.

Yes, it is discriminatory, and I'm not the one who argues there must never be any discrimination (except for discrimination approved of by the Progressive Stack). I say let a business do what it wants.

The problem is that the only discrimination allowed these days is the discrimination in favor of those on top of the Progressive Stack.
For example, the mayor of New York is a big fan of sexist women-only workspaces. Would those be banned too under ERA?

Yes, as soon as someone on the outside of this discrimination files a suit.

 

[Derec]

I don't believe I actually have to explain this. The bar is giving the discounts, the men are going there to meet the women. Not just watch them, to meet them. Women can and do go to bars all on their own, but if the one bar is offering regular price and the other bar is offering a discount then the women have a financial incentive to choose the other bar.

I understand why women would prefer bars where they pay less. But men would also prefer bars where they pay less. So why treat genders differently?
Presumably, if women go to these bars to meet men, then they should not need a financial inducement to do so. If they need inducements, then it seems a bit transactional to me - hence my comparison to strip clubs, which are at least honest about the transactional aspect.

 

[Jason Harvestdancer]

Although it may sound heretical on this board, everything is transactional.

Ladies night provides the incentives that most strongly react to each gender differently.

 

[repoman]

Society should be formed partially around how people act naturally and partially from trying to have our better natures fostered.

The fact is that human's have two unsteady state modes of reproduction: pair bonding like birds or more of a harem like state - think BMOC. The percentage of male humans that had children in the prehistoric times was like 40% or so IIRC, so in fact being a "beta male" is actually average. Such is life.

Derec, you need to get good about getting women (one stable relation with one women that YOU select and are worth her time, choose wisely) or shut the fuck up. Yes the rules are against men in some ways, but it is your job to still make it work. We biologically ARE much more expendable and our programming is deep rooted. Don't be angry at yourself for being a beta male.

You really need to find some level of contentment in something. Ridiculous.

 

[Derec]

Although it may sound heretical on this board, everything is transactional.

What's the point then? Might as well have sex with hookers.

Ladies night provides the incentives that most strongly react to each gender differently.

If women have to get paid to talk to me, what's the point?

 

[Jason Harvestdancer]

Although it may sound heretical on this board, everything is transactional.

What's the point then? Might as well have sex with hookers.

Not all transactions are paid in cash.

Ladies night provides the incentives that most strongly react to each gender differently.

If women have to get paid to talk to me, what's the point?

What do you offer them?

 

[Derec]

The fact is that human's have two unsteady state modes of reproduction:

Humans, not human's.

pair bonding like birds or more of a harem like state - think BMOC.

Women are very superficial. They all want to be with top 20% of men by looks and status and at most settle for the rest.

The percentage of male humans that had children in the prehistoric times was like 40% or so IIRC, so in fact being a "beta male" is actually average. Such is life.

Such may be life, but I refuse to participate in the rigged game. If women want to fight over some six pack having bad boy that'll treat them poorly, they are welcome to them. Just don't expect me to pay more just so they can get cheap drinks and still pine for the good looking bad boys.

Derec, you need to get good about getting women (one stable relation with one women that YOU select and are worth her time, choose wisely) or shut the fuck up.

I can't get good about getting women, and I don't want her anyway if she is only settling for me but is really attracted to a BMOC type, because then she is likely to cheat on me with him anyway.

Yes the rules are against men in some ways, but it is your job to still make it work.

I don't want to play the rigged game though. And I don't want to subsidize it either by going to these sexist bars.

We biologically ARE much more expendable and our programming is deep rooted. Don't be angry at yourself for being a beta male.

I am not angry at myself. I am angry at the system and the rigged game. And the feminazis who think they are more valuable and deserve more stuff just because they are women.

You really need to find some level of contentment in something. Ridiculous.

I am content in many ways, but the sexism inherent in things like ladies' nights really grinds my gears.

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What do you offer them?

I choose not to offer them anything. I refuse to play the rigged game.

Again, why should I pay more so they can pay less?

 

[Jason Harvestdancer]

Again, why should I pay more so they can pay less?

Not all payments are monetary in nature.

Why should I give money to the McDonalds in order to get a Big Mac? Shouldn't they give me money for the money I give them?

 

[Derec]

Why should I give money to the McDonalds in order to get a Big Mac? Shouldn't they give me money for the money I give them?

People working at McD do not get offended when you point out they sell burgers for money. Women frequenting ladies' nights would get indignant if you even hinted that they are selling their time and attention for cheap drinks.
The whole things is very dishonest.

 

[Jason Harvestdancer]

It is only dishonest if you don't understand that the principles of economics apply in more than just cash transactions but in fact rule most of our interactions. That's why "praxeology" is a better term.