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Marjorie Taylor Greene vs. the Equality Act, Marie Newman, & transgender people

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The  Civil Rights Act of 1964, with its bans of racial and sex discrimination, now has a successor, the H.R.5 - 117th Congress (2021-2022): Equality Act | Congress.gov | Library of Congress
This bill prohibits discrimination based on sex, sexual orientation, and gender identity in areas including public accommodations and facilities, education, federal funding, employment, housing, credit, and the jury system. Specifically, the bill defines and includes sex, sexual orientation, and gender identity among the prohibited categories of discrimination or segregation.

The bill expands the definition of public accommodations to include places or establishments that provide (1) exhibitions, recreation, exercise, amusement, gatherings, or displays; (2) goods, services, or programs; and (3) transportation services.

The bill allows the Department of Justice to intervene in equal protection actions in federal court on account of sexual orientation or gender identity.

The bill prohibits an individual from being denied access to a shared facility, including a restroom, a locker room, and a dressing room, that is in accordance with the individual's gender identity.
Introduced by Rep. David Cicilline D-RI-01, it has 224 cosponsors, 223 original. All of them are Democrats, and they include all 221 voting ones, and nonvoting delegates from four territories: DC, GU, MP, and VI.

It has passed the House: Roll Call 39
All 221 Democrats votes yes on it, while only 3 of the 211 Republicans did so, with 2 of them not voting. The remaining 206 voted no on it.

The bill will continue to the Senate, but given how few Republicans voted for the House version, it will be difficult to pass it in the Senate without revoking the filibuster. But if it does pass, then President Biden is likely to pass it.
 
Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene on Twitter: "Our neighbor, @RepMarieNewman, wants to pass the so-called "Equality" Act to destroy women’s rights and religious freedoms.

Thought we’d put up ours so she can look at it every time she opens her door 😉🇺🇸 (link)" / Twitter

There are TWO genders:
MALE & FEMALE
"Trust the Science!"

Congresswoman Marie Newman on Twitter: "Facebook took down our video of me putting up the Transgender flag outside my office and labeled it as “hate speech.”

Meanwhile, they’re still allowing Marjorie Taylor Greene’s transphobic video to be posted.

Supporting transgender Americans is NOT hate speech. (pix link)" / Twitter



Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene on Twitter: "The so-called “Equality” Act is not about stopping discrimination.

It’s about causing discrimination against women and religious freedom.

I moved to adjourn for the day to give the 117th Congress more time to think about this immoral bill. (vid link)" / Twitter



Congresswoman Marie Newman on Twitter: "Without the Equality Act, millions of Americans like my daughter can be denied housing, education, and more simply because they identify as transgender.

I’m voting to pass the Equality Act for my daughter - the strongest, bravest person I know. (vid link)" / Twitter

then
Rep. Pramila Jayapal on Twitter: "Thank you, @RepMarieNewman . From the mom of one trans kid to another, we will pass the #EqualityAct —for Evie, for Janak, for thousands more to be able to fully be who they are. So glad to welcome you to Congress. ✊🏾❤️" / Twitter
with response
Marie Newman on Twitter: "@RepJayapal @RepMarieNewman ❤️💜💕" / Twitter

Rep. Pramila Jayapal on Twitter: "As the proud mom of a trans kid, I'll fight for every LGBTQ+ person to explore and express the fullness of their gender without fear or risk of being fired, denied housing, or refused service because of their sexual orientation or gender identity.

Let's pass the Equality Act. (vid link)" / Twitter
 
Marjorie Taylor Greene Slammed By Colleagues For Attacking Congresswoman’s Trans Daughter: ‘Unimaginably Cruel’
“I rise today on behalf of the millions of Americans who continue to be denied housing, education, public services and much, much more because they identify as members of the LGBTQ community,” Newman said. “Americans like my own daughter, who years ago bravely came out to her parents as transgender. I knew from that day on, my daughter would be living in a nation wherein most of its states, she could be discriminated against, merely because of who she is.”

...
In another tweet responding to a post from Newman declaring she was voting for the Equality Act to support her daughter, Greene wrote: “As mothers, we all love and support our children. But your biological son does NOT belong in my daughters’ bathrooms, locker rooms, and sports teams.”
Then
Adam Kinzinger on Twitter: "This is sad and I’m sorry this happened. Rep. Newmans daughter is transgender, and this video and tweet represents the hate and fame driven politics of self-promotion at all evil costs. This garbage must end, in order to #RestoreOurGOP" / Twitter

Rep. Sean Casten on Twitter: "Sickening, pathetic, unimaginably cruel. This hate is exactly why the #EqualityAct is necessary and what we must protect @RepMarieNewman’s daughter and all our LGBTQ+ loved ones against." / Twitter
 
Old worn out men (of all races) cheering young men smashing into each other and quickly wearing their joints like a mortar and pestle is the male bonding way. Ook eek like the chimps in 2001.

Let's have these gender confuse young men smash into girls as well.
 
Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez on Twitter: "Watch @MondaireJones make us all so proud ⬇️" / Twitter
noting about Rep. Mondaire Jones, D-NY-17
Human Rights Campaign on Twitter: ".@RepMondaire, one of the first openly LGBTQ Black members of Congress, supports the #EqualityAct on the House floor:

"To grow up poor, Black and gay is to not see yourself anywhere. It is also to feel completely unseen as so many people around invalidate your very existence." (vid link)" / Twitter



(((DeanObeidallah))) on Twitter: "WOW: Rep. Al Green (D-TX)amazing response to GOP Rep Greg Steube who said God opposes transgender rights: "You used God to enslave my foreparents. You used God to segregate me in schools. You used God to put me in the back of he bus. Have you no shame?" (vid link)" / Twitter
He continued with "God created every person in this room. Are you saying that God made a mistake?"

"This is not about God. This is about men who choose to discriminate against other people because they have the power to do so. (pause) My record will not show that I voted against Mr. Cicilline having his rights. My record will show that when I have the opportunity to deliver liberty, I voted for rights to all."

Then
Ayanna Pressley on Twitter: "Thank you @RepAlGreen for always centering the people, seeking justice & above all, telling the whole truth." / Twitter
then
Ayanna Pressley on Twitter: "And nothing but." / Twitter"


Lawmaker responds to Taylor Greene's tweet about transgender daughter - YouTube
Interview with Rep. Marie Newman.

Her reaction to that sign: Rep. MTG must have a lot of time on her hands to get that sign printed. But otherwise, she wasn't bothered by it.

She didn't seem interested in having a fight with MTG, and putting up that flag was a way of showing her the LGBTQ community, a way of showing the flag. MN doesn't seem like AOC, someone who sometimes seems to enjoy doing clapbacks.

She claims that some Republican colleagues have talked to her in private about their concerns about MTG.

She then mentioned Adam Kinzinger's tweet, and she said that we need a strong GOP, we need two parties. Moderate Republicans have been willing to work with her.
 
If brains are gendered, trans rights are necessary as a consummation of brain gender against hormonal balance.

If brains are not gendered, this implies that changing the hormonal balance of the body is all that is necessary for puting someone in the mental mode of their hormonal gender.

In the former case, it implies that trans women are (socially, culturally, behaviorally, neurologically) women. In the latter case it implies that to neurologically be a woman, you must start taking HRT first, but then you are neurologically as much a woman as anyone else is.

The metaphysics of the situation do not allow a reality in which no trans women are women, owing to the observed reality that biology is messy.
 
If brains are gendered, trans rights are necessary as a consummation of brain gender against hormonal balance.

If brains are not gendered, this implies that changing the hormonal balance of the body is all that is necessary for puting someone in the mental mode of their hormonal gender.

In the former case, it implies that trans women are (socially, culturally, behaviorally, neurologically) women. In the latter case it implies that to neurologically be a woman, you must start taking HRT first, but then you are neurologically as much a woman as anyone else is.

The metaphysics of the situation do not allow a reality in which no trans women are women, owing to the observed reality that biology is messy.

Nonsense. Just because someone feels they’re the opposite gender in the brain doesn’t change the rest of their body. Born with male bones die with male bones.
 
For FTM testosterone supplementation, is the testosterone itself sort of addictive? Even for a non dysphoric female?
 
Jarhyn said:
If brains are gendered, trans rights are necessary as a consummation of brain gender against hormonal balance.

If brains are not gendered, this implies that changing the hormonal balance of the body is all that is necessary for puting someone in the mental mode of their hormonal gender.

In the former case, it implies that trans women are (socially, culturally, behaviorally, neurologically) women. In the latter case it implies that to neurologically be a woman, you must start taking HRT first, but then you are neurologically as much a woman as anyone else is.

The metaphysics of the situation do not allow a reality in which no trans women are women, owing to the observed reality that biology is messy.

Of course, there are female minds and male minds, and so female brains and male brains. But I have not seen a single argument that convinced me that (in general; there might be exceptions depending on how 'trans' is understood, given hermaphrodites and similar cases, though it seems improbable in the usual sense of the words too) trans women are women or trans men are men.

Imagine a woman, say Jane, who believes she is gay. She gets into a relationship with Mary, who has a vagina, breasts, etc., has female secondary characteristics, and of course has a mind that is that of a woman in the following respect: she has experienced having a vagina throughout her life, has experienced female puberty, etc. Of course, Mary has never experienced having a penis, male puberty, etc. Additionally, she continues to experience having a vagina, so it's both a matter of previously lived experience and present-day experience. Of course, she also has preferences involving her vagina, and not preferences involving a penis since Mary does does not have a penis. When Jane and Mary are happily married and living together, the latter comes out as a man, Mario. Was Jane mistaken in her belief that Jane was gay? Is she bisexual, because she fell for a man? It's not as if Jane was mistaken about any property of Mario - they way Mario looked, or some property of Mario's mind - that was relevant to Jane's attraction.

The point is that words have meaning, and in the usual meaning it looks like Mario is a woman who mistakenly believes that she is a man. If not, why is Mario a man? What property or properties of Mario might make it so?

Maybe Mario liked trucks more than she liked dolls when a kid, or things like that. Would that be enough to make Mario qualify as a man?
After considering this matter carefully and looking at many examples of usage, in my assessment, in the usual sense of the words, it would not be enough. Furthermore, it would not be enough to make Mario not a woman.

Now, maybe a significant minority of English speakers would classify Mario as a man if Mario's preferences (not involving Mario's vagina and female sexual organs) were entirely or almost entirely or at least mostly male-like, even if Mario's experiences (and preferences) involving Mario's sexual organs are of course female-like, and despite Mario's actual sexual organs. If so, it seems to me that people are talking past each other, and in the usage of this minority, Jane is bi, even if she correctly identifies as gay because she uses the words in the majority sense, not this minority's.

But even then, where is the good evidence that Mario's preferences as above are at least mostly male-like?

Even if there is evidence that Mario has some male-like preferences, one could say the same about gay men having some female-like preferences, but that's neither predominant nor enough to make gay men women in the usage of any significant minority even if we assume said significant minority exists. So, again, even by this (hypothetically significant in numbers) minority usage of the words, where is the evidence that Mario is a man? Mario claims to be a man. Does Mario claim that Mario's preferences are male-like, at least mostly? If so, that provides some evidence. But not that much: Clearly, identifying female and male-like preferences is no easy task, and one has to weigh Mario's testimony in light of the minuscule prior that someone with female hormones and development as described above would have mostly male-like preferences.
 
For some reason, I cannot edit the above post.
me said:
Some arguments against the bill:
I do not endorse all of them, in particular those regarding the intent of the people passing the bill, but there are reasons for concern in re. freedom, leaving aside the question of whether trans men are men, trans women are women, etc.
 
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