Painkillers and pot round II

[Loren Pechtel]

Apparently some of the anti-marijuana talking heads are getting money from the drug companies:

https://news.vice.com/article/leading-anti-marijuana-academics-are-paid-by-painkiller-drug-companies

 

[barbos]

In other news anti-russian hysteria is funded by US fracking industry.

 

[Sabine Grant]

Apparently some of the anti-marijuana talking heads are getting money from the drug companies:

https://news.vice.com/article/leading-anti-marijuana-academics-are-paid-by-painkiller-drug-companies

No surprise there. The therapeutic qualities of a naturally grown plant become a competitor to the pharmaceutical industry. Of course, they are going to fight tooth and nail a natural product which is an extremely potent anti emetic which can be taken as needed and will even address delayed chemo induced nausea/vomiting. Of course they are going to fight tooth and nail an extremely potent anti spasmodic which can be taken as needed. And now with the added clinical data regarding glaucoma...considering that pharma manufactured eye drops usually on a regimen of 2 to 3 times a day are far from being affordable, to treat glaucoma while reducing pressure.

Considering the astronomical cost of pharma manufactured drugs treating delayed and immediate chemo induced nausea and vomiting ( I recall checking on the cost of infused anti emetics for delayed N and V, administered at the same time of the chemo infusion, ranging up to 370 dollars per infusion).

As to the cost of PO anti emetics and anti "wasting" such as Marinol :

http://health.costhelper.com/synthetic-marijuana.html

Need I to say more?

 

[untermensche]

Nausea's the least of it.

If marijuana was legal people would use it for depression, anxiety, insomnia, chronic pain, a lack of appetite and many other things.

This would cost the drug manufacturers a lot.

 

[Jarhyn]

Not to mention as a treatment for boredom and CSLAD: chronic shitty life affectation disease.

 

[Sabine Grant]

Nausea's the least of it.

You mean anti "wasting and chemo induce N and V" are only one among the therapeutic properties of cannabis.

If marijuana was legal people would use it for depression, anxiety, insomnia, chronic pain, a lack of appetite and many other things.

If under the specific of medical cannabis, like any other drugs whether pharma manufactured or under herbal remedies, medical advice is extremely important. Considering that there are counter indications for specific conditions such as bi polar.

As an analgesic, it does not have the potency of an opioid. However, it has the advantage of being taken as needed and as frequently as needed without any dosage limitation. Meaning that a chronic pain sufferer can be maintained under an adequate long term cannabis pain management without the risks of over dosage and/or resistance building an opioid dependent chronic pain sufferer will encounter.

As an appetite stimulant, absolutely efficient! And goes along with anti wasting measures applied to chemo patients and HIV "cocktails" dependent patients.

As a relaxant to manage non clinically induced anxiety, yes. Distinction is important here as "anxiety" may be a symptom related to mental disorders flagging cannabis as counter indicated.

Insomnia , you bet!

http://www.medicann.com/insomnia/

This would cost the drug manufacturers a lot.

Of course! And why would anyone have to depend on costly pharma drugs (such as my relating earlier the cost of anti emetics/anti wasting) when they can benefit of the same therapeutic properties via a naturally grown plant? Granted of course that if used for medical purpose, medical advice is sought first.

 

[untermensche]

Because of the prohibitions we can't even do research to help people better treat these problems themselves with good old smokeable marijuana.

We have marijuana classified as Schedule I by the federal government.

This is just too absurd to contemplate. .

 

[Sabine Grant]

Because of the prohibitions we can't even do research to help people better treat these problems themselves with good old smokeable marijuana.

http://www.cmcr.ucsd.edu/index.php?option=com_content&view=category&id=41&Itemid=135

http://www.medicalmarijuanainc.com/index.php/research

Just to note that it is not correct that " we can't even do research....".

All the current available data comes from ongoing research and clinical trials. One of the advocacy groups for the legalization of medical marijuana in Florida (now on the ballot for November) is part of the Parkinson's Foundation. Their endeavor has been motivated by data produced by target research on the effects of some of the components of cannabis reducing "Parkinsonism" episodes. The passage of the Charlotte's Web law in Florida was also motivated by the data collected via clinical research. Same with other pro medical marijuana advocacy groups who are related to foundations supporting research in one specific field (such as spinal cord injuries).

We have marijuana classified as Schedule I by the federal government.

This is just too absurd to contemplate. .

Timeline of the history behind such prohibition,

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/dope/etc/cron.html

 

[untermensche]

Just to note that it is not correct that " we can't even do research....".

True enough, what should have been said is that we can't do all the research we would like.

And the ability to do much research with smokeable marijuana in the US is a recent phenomena. Prohibition has harmed many people who could be helped right now.

Timeline of the history behind such prohibition

This defines a Schedule I drug.

1. The drug or other substance has a high potential for abuse.
2. The drug or other substance has no currently accepted medical use in treatment in the United States.
3. There is a lack of accepted safety for use of the drug or other substance under medical supervision.

Marijuana was classified as Schedule I in 1970.

Federal reclassification should be a priority for advocates.

 

[Sabine Grant]

True enough, what should have been said is that we can't do all the research we would like.

And the ability to do much research with smokeable marijuana in the US is a recent phenomena. Prohibition has harmed many people who could be helped right now.

Due to how much quantity of cannabis research labs are limited to be in possession of (at one time), it is correct that limited resources/material access in medical research can only cause a delay or impair the continuous progression. The GWB Ban on funding supporting ESC research also included a limitation on how many embryos research labs could use. Limiting access and resulting in researchers having to work with "old" embryonic cells rather than benefiting of a "fresh" stock.

This defines a Schedule I drug.

1. The drug or other substance has a high potential for abuse.
2. The drug or other substance has no currently accepted medical use in treatment in the United States.
3. There is a lack of accepted safety for use of the drug or other substance under medical supervision.

Marijuana was classified as Schedule I in 1970.

Federal reclassification should be a priority for advocates.

Oh absolutely! The main obstructing party remaining the pharmaceutical industry. A profit driven industry with a powerful lobbying force.

 

[untermensche]

Federal reclassification should be a priority for advocates.

Oh absolutely! The main obstructing party remaining the pharmaceutical industry. A profit driven industry with a powerful lobbying force.

Just as the Depression ended prohibition because governments needed money the same will happen with marijuana.

Colorado will not suffer any unusual problems because people can eat marijuana cookies in their homes. But Colorado will have a revenue source the other states do not have.

Not everybody in this country is stupid. Some in other states who only think practically will see this.

 

[dx713]

I'd be surprised if most pharmaceutical companies don't have plans for marijuana-based products.
After all, some people will be ready to pay for reproductible and known quantities of active ingedients, while homegown stuff can have a lot of variations.

They'd just rather keep the profits of churning out some patented molecules rather than have to market some new medication, with all the testing and approval costs, that might not be so easy to patent.

 

[TV and credit cards]

The main obstructing party remaining the pharmaceutical industry. A profit driven industry with a powerful lobbying force.

I'd be surprised if most pharmaceutical companies don't have plans for marijuana-based products.
After all, some people will be ready to pay for reproductible and known quantities of active ingedients, while homegown stuff can have a lot of variations.

They'd just rather keep the profits of churning out some patented molecules rather than have to market some new medication, with all the testing and approval costs, that might not be so easy to patent.

Oh Great Swami,
If Big Pharma can't beat um, should they do a 180 and control the market? Comes the day the pharmaceutical industry pushes for legalization of medical marijuana and at the same time pays off politicians to keep recreational marijuana at bay. Maybe. Better act fast if they are going to act at all so as to keep it to WA and CO. They can then get busy buying up all those pesky little mom & pop dispensaries.