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Red light cameras, yet more evidence they are a scam

http://www.thenewspaper.com/news/51/5144.asp

Fix the timing, the tickets go way down.

Cut the timing too short, tickets go way up.

And most of the tickets are for right on red--something not associated with accidents.


They used them in Ontario for a while,and it was suspended when a women received the photo in the mail , that showed her husband running a red light. To her surprise it was her husband alright, but the women in the car was not her. Lead to divorce and a challenge in court about privacy .Oh course since than they have brought it back ,realizing it is a great cash grab for the government
 
What plausible countervailing motivations offset the conspiratorial conclusion? The interpretation of the information from the data doesn't logically imply that there is a scam before us.
 
http://www.thenewspaper.com/news/51/5144.asp

Fix the timing, the tickets go way down.

Cut the timing too short, tickets go way up.

And most of the tickets are for right on red--something not associated with accidents.


They used them in Ontario for a while,and it was suspended when a women received the photo in the mail , that showed her husband running a red light. To her surprise it was her husband alright, but the women in the car was not her. Lead to divorce and a challenge in court about privacy .Oh course since than they have brought it back ,realizing it is a great cash grab for the government

Some places handled that by having the photo only show the driver's seat.

The result of that, though was a guy taunting the cameras somewhere (I've forgotten where by now) in Europe--he had a right hand drive car and a big teddy bear in the left front passenger seat. He would get tickets, they would show the teddy bear. "That's not me!"
 
There was a comedy show up here that once did a bit about responding to getting mailed a picture of him running a red light by mailing the government a picture of him holding up the money for the fine while giving the finger. :)
 
Crybabies against traffic-light enforcement.

The paranoia against red-light cameras is caused mostly by today's crybaby attitude among the masses.

If there's a problem with the cameras, FIX IT, so they can serve their legitimate purpose of reducing accidents. Good citizens should be demanding the necessary corrections in the system, rather than whining against the law being enforced more efficiently.

If the cameras are fundamentally flawed, then that can only mean that the traffic laws are more harm than good and should be done away with -- the traffic lights eliminated. If a law cannot be enforced without causing more harm than benefit, then that law is a bad law which should be repealed.

The cameras are a more efficient way to enforce the law. If you oppose them, you are just against the law being enforced. You prefer to have the cops do it manually, because you know they cannot be there most of the time and so you probably won't get caught. I.e., they won't enforce it.

And there's nothing wrong with the city having this revenue source. It's preferable to many of the obnoxious taxes we pay. Is it better for the city to have no revenue at all because they're all a bunch of crooks?
 
New licence plate technology to help nail those with unpaid driving fines.
You have been warned says Sherrifs Office.

New state-of-the-art #LPR technology is capable of scanning up to 2,500 number plates an hour.
 
The paranoia against red-light cameras is caused mostly by today's crybaby attitude among the masses.

If there's a problem with the cameras, FIX IT, so they can serve their legitimate purpose of reducing accidents. Good citizens should be demanding the necessary corrections in the system, rather than whining against the law being enforced more efficiently.

The problem is that they are about revenue, not safety. If you fix them they become money sinks and the governments don't want them. Thus, in practice all traffic cameras are bad.

If the cameras are fundamentally flawed, then that can only mean that the traffic laws are more harm than good and should be done away with -- the traffic lights eliminated. If a law cannot be enforced without causing more harm than benefit, then that law is a bad law which should be repealed.

No. It means that the traffic laws as written have some serious flaws. In practice basically all traffic enforcement is at locations where the law is out of touch with reality for some reason. Common examples:

Yellow lights set too short causing unavoidable red-light running. Governments routinely play games to set the yellows short when there's a camera involved. It's set as short as legally possible and often less in order to get revenue, even though that often decreases safety. This is an issue with both cops and cameras.

Ticketing right-on-red turners. Think about the reality of how you do a right on red when there are a bunch of cars trying it: You stop in the line of cars. When the first car goes the line moves forward so the next car is in the go position. The stop line gets ignored in this situation, both by drivers and by cops. However, it's not ignored by the cameras. The majority of camera red light tickets are to such drivers--doing something that is not the least bit unsafe.

Speed limits set below the 85% percentile. Again, an issue with cops and cameras. When we moved into this house there was a spot on the street coming in that was narrow because a lot hadn't been built yet. (Nonsense from our government. If the land beside the road hasn't been developed they only lay two lanes/no sidewalks. When the land is developed they finish out the road to the proper size and bill the developer. On occasion it results in crazy situations like a 45 mph road that was practically S-shaped as it weaved back and forth between the developed parcels.) Because of that spot the limit was 25 mph on the whole street. Someone running radar at a point before the restriction was a common sight as we came home. Eventually the offending lot was developed, the limit went to 35 mph where it should have been and I haven't seen a cop running radar there since.

Furthermore, the only time I've ever seen a cop doing traffic enforcement at a location without disconnect between reality and the law was when they were doing crosswalk stings. Have a plainclothes cop start to cross at a point where you would have to do a hard stop to avoid going through the crosswalk even though just going on through would get you past before they could reach your lane--once again, sacrificing safety for revenue.

In practice most drivers obey what the rules should be. After all, we don't want to get hurt or die! That is not to say we shouldn't have traffic laws, but rather that enforcement should apply to the small minority that don't behave or are incompetent to drive.

Instead, it's an adversarial system where they try to gotcha to get revenue, resulting in drivers not trusting that the signs they see reflect the true situation. You're in the middle of nowhere and the speed limit suddenly drops--does that mean a hidden threat or a speed trap? An awful lot of drivers will react to the situation by looking for cops or where they might be hiding rather than trusting there's a valid reason and slowing down.

The cameras are a more efficient way to enforce the law. If you oppose them, you are just against the law being enforced. You prefer to have the cops do it manually, because you know they cannot be there most of the time and so you probably won't get caught. I.e., they won't enforce it.

And there's nothing wrong with the city having this revenue source. It's preferable to many of the obnoxious taxes we pay. Is it better for the city to have no revenue at all because they're all a bunch of crooks?

I want them to write tickets for safety, not for revenue.

(And another fairly small problem: DUI = in control of a motor vehicle while over the limit. While the law doesn't require you to actually be driving so they can bust the guy passed out behind the wheel it also sweeps up some who were not driving in the first place, for example drunks sleeping it off in the bar parking lot. Some of them even have the engine running to keep warm.)
 
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