Sainthood for Missionary Priest Is Disputed by Native Tribes

[Potoooooooo]

http://www.livescience.com/52230-why-serra-canonization-is-controversial.html

Pope Francis is set to canonize the Rev. Junípero Serra, a Franciscan priest who founded the first missions in the state of California, on Sept. 23. But the ceremony, which adds Serra to the Catholic Church's official roster of saints, has stirred controversy.

Several American Indian tribes oppose the canonization, saying that Serra was responsible for the enslavement and death of tens of thousands of indigenous tribespeople and the destruction of their culture. Some tribes are circulating petitions to protest the canonization. In addition, critics argue that Serra has only been credited with one miracle, rather than the two normally required to achieve official sainthood.

Though the church doesn't dispute the horrors that occurred under Serra's watch, it argues that he was a "man of his time" who loved the Native Americans as a father loves his children.

 

[Keith&Co.]

People who are not Catholic are uncomfortable with the Catholics' choice of heroes?
How odd.

I would think i'd welcome the RCC's selection of heroes to canonize. And to be sure to print up complete and detailed lists of his accomplishments to hand out at any and all ceremonies...

 

[Atheos]

RCC has no problem with the fact that many of their heroes are sinners through whom Gawd worked to free savages from the bonds of their own cultures and religions to be liberated into the cultures and religions of their captor... er... liberators.

 

[Tom Sawyer]

So, the guy dispayed his love for the natives by slaughtering tens of thousands of them and forcing the rest to conform to his way of thinking?

I'd say that sainthood is warranted because I fail to see how anyone could get more Catholic than this guy.

 

[Keith&Co.]

Yeah, and I completely support them being free to list their heroes.

About 15 years ago, a woman had asked the church for dispensation to use birth control since her husband had contracted AIDS and she wanted non-suicidal sex with him. She was denied, she had approved sex, she got AIDS and died. They beatified her for being so faithful she put her trust in God rather than take anything like a sane approach to the issue.

That's about when my wife stopped paying much of any attention to her Church.

 

[Malintent]

I too am all for providing them miles of rope to hang themselves with.

Curious... what would you think would happen if it wasn't a group of Native Americans that were affected, but a group of Muslims? If Islam was protesting (or maybe any other religious group), would they have responded differently than they are to the American Indians?

 

[Tom Sawyer]

I too am all for providing them miles of rope to hang themselves with.

Curious... what would you think would happen if it wasn't a group of Native Americans that were affected, but a group of Muslims? If Islam was protesting (or maybe any other religious group), would they have responded differently than they are to the American Indians?

Probably locked their doors and called in a drone strike.

 

[Keith&Co.]

I too am all for providing them miles of rope to hang themselves with.

Curious... what would you think would happen if it wasn't a group of Native Americans that were affected, but a group of Muslims? If Islam was protesting (or maybe any other religious group), would they have responded differently than they are to the American Indians?

Probably not.
" Though the church doesn't dispute the horrors that occurred under Louis IX's watch (Two crusades, an inquisition against the Cathars, gothic architecture), it argues that he was a "man of his time" who loved France as a father loves his children. A father who leaves home for years at a time to secure the Holy Land...

 

[Malintent]

right.. like Columbus was a "man of his time" that kept slaves, just like many others... yet looked what happened to his holiday.. swapped out for Dr. King.

 

[Keith&Co.]

right.. like Columbus

A man of his times who loved the people who turned out not to be Indians, like a Father loves those of his children who start working in his manufactory at the age of six to produce goods to cover his gambling debts.

 

[T.G.G. Moogly]

Yeah, and I completely support them being free to list their heroes.

About 15 years ago, a woman had asked the church for dispensation to use birth control since her husband had contracted AIDS and she wanted non-suicidal sex with him. She was denied, she had approved sex, she got AIDS and died. They beatified her for being so faithful she put her trust in God rather than take anything like a sane approach to the issue.

That's about when my wife stopped paying much of any attention to her Church.

Smart girl.

 

[bleubird]

I went to Serra HS in Salem,OR.'66 to '69.It went bust,so I did my last year at public school.One of my brothers did the monk thing.Franciscans are quite liberal,for Catholic. But,the
Spanish church did a major fuck on natives.
As did missioners in Alaska.
I like this pope,but,sainthood is so last century.

 

[Potoooooooo]

from a Native American newspaper