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http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2014/08/missing-irs-emails-exist-after-all-doj-says.php

MISSING IRS EMAILS EXIST AFTER ALL, DOJ SAYS

Judicial Watch announced today that Department of Justice lawyers are now saying that all federal government emails are backed up, along with other data, which means that the “missing” emails of Lois Lerner and other IRS employees (as well as federal employees involved in other scandals) can be recovered:

Department of Justice attorneys for the Internal Revenue Service told Judicial Watch on Friday that Lois Lerner’s emails, indeed all government computer records, are backed up by the federal government in case of a government-wide catastrophe. The Obama administration attorneys said that this back-up system would be too onerous to search. The DOJ attorneys also acknowledged that the Treasury Inspector General for Tax Administration (TIGTA) is investigating this back-up system.

We obviously disagree that disclosing the emails as required would be onerous, and plan to raise this new development with Judge Sullivan.

This is a jaw-dropping revelation. The Obama administration had been lying to the American people about Lois Lerner’s missing emails. There are no “missing” Lois Lerner emails – nor missing emails of any of the other top IRS or other government officials whose emails seem to be disappearing at increasingly alarming rate. All the focus on missing hard drives has been a diversion. The Obama administration has known all along where the email records could be – but dishonestly withheld this information.


Such backup is what one would expect, and it may well be required by federal law. While the amount of data involved would be vast, it is hard to see why it would be particularly onerous to search it. A simple search for “Lois Lerner,” for example, presumably would recover all of her “missing” emails, along with other materials.

Why haven’t we heard about this backup system before? If it is truly government-wide, an enormous number people must be aware of it. Perhaps there is more to the story; so far, all we have is Judicial Watch’s press release. In the meantime, the legal process, which we wrote about here and elsewhere, will grind slowly along.

Rest assured, in Obama's last week in office the white house will also suffer several score of computer crashes followed by immediate recycling. Amazing!
 
AND NOW ANOTHER STORY- IRS DESTROYS LERNERS BLACKBERRY EMAILS...

IRS ORDERED LERNER’S BLACKBERRY DESTROYED AFTER HER COMPUTER CRASHED

The New York Observer reports that, according to an IRS court filing, the IRS destroyed Lois Lerner’s Blackberry after it knew her computer had crashed and after a Congressional inquiry was well underway. An IRS official declared under the penalty of perjury that the destroyed Blackberry would have contained the same emails (both sent and received) as Lois Lerner’s hard drive.

Lerner’s hard drive crashed in June 2011 and the IRS destroyed it. A year later, the IRS also destroyed her Blackberry without making any effort to retain the emails it contained. By then, Congress had commenced its investigation into the IRS’s targeting of conservative groups.

In the IRS’s court filing about the destruction of Lerner’s Blackberry, it states:

Standard IRS practice and policy in the collection of electronic data does not include collecting data from Blackberry devices because the email of a Blackberry user is collected through the process of collecting the contents of the user’s Outlook mailbox files.

However, as the Observer’s Sidney Powell points out, this “practice” seems far from “standard” when (a) the user’s computer has crashed and (b) the user is being investigated by Congress. Under these circumstances, destruction of Blackberry without retrieving emails smacks of willful disregard for the law and contempt for Congress.

Fortunately, it now appears that, contrary to the IRS’s prior claims, the missing Lerner emails can be retrieved from federal government-wide backup data. But given the destruction of Lerner’s Blackberry, Judge Sullivan, who is overseeing the search for electronic data, has reason to expand that search. As the Observer says:

Don’t be surprised if Judge Sullivan decides it’s time to order production of everything on that Blackberry, issue subpoenas to third party servers including Blackberry for the dates covered by the Blackberry the IRS destroyed, unleash [Magistrate] Judge Facciola, allow Judicial Watch more discovery, prohibit the IRS from destroying anything else, and start a list of lawyers who would make a good special prosecutor.

http://www.powerlineblog.com/archiv...erry-destroyed-after-her-computer-crashed.php
 
Well, this does give ammunition to all the people getting auditted by the IRS who say that it would be too onerous to open the drawer in the filing cabinet in their basement to get last year's receipts. Given that this would be a lot more difficult than searching through a backup system to find the deleted emails, I imagine the auditor would have to accept it as a legitimate excuse and abandon the review.
 
I remember losing a file on the server and our IT didn't want to go through the tapes to try and find it. We didn't have anywhere near as much data backed up as the Federal Government has. So it could be a major pain in the butt to retrieve.

But when they do, we'll see the evidence first hand that implicates Obama directly in trying crush partisan resistance of his regime by slowing up tax exempt status for a handful of tea party groups.
 
Bullshit right wing misdirection. There are no secret govt backups. All they are going to do is go through the back up tapes they have and see if any of the missing data is there.

“There is no newly divulged back-up system that was not previously known about,” the official said. “Government lawyers were simply referring to the back-up system at the IRS that Commissioner Koskinen had already disclosed.”


Read more: http://thehill.com/policy/finance/2...oup-lerner-emails-arent-missing#ixzz3Bc4eJlSy
 
Sgt. Begdahl's full confession as to his desertion and traitorous affiliation with the enemy must be there as well.
 
Bullshit right wing misdirection. There are no secret govt backups. All they are going to do is go through the back up tapes they have and see if any of the missing data is there.

“There is no newly divulged back-up system that was not previously known about,” the official said. “Government lawyers were simply referring to the back-up system at the IRS that Commissioner Koskinen had already disclosed.”


Read more: http://thehill.com/policy/finance/2...oup-lerner-emails-arent-missing#ixzz3Bc4eJlSy

Speaking of partisan misdirection, you seem to have forgotten the core issue, the IRS Commissioner and their DOJ shills (who are defending the IRS while they claim they are investigating it LOL) have resisted full disclosure. And keep changing their story. In laymen terms, that is a cover up.


http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs...rners-missing-e-mails-may-still-be-available/

House Republicans on Tuesday said the faulty hard drive of former Internal Revenue Service official Lois Lerner was less damaged than the agency let on and that backup tapes containing her missing e-mails may still be available.

GOP lawmakers are likely to raise the issues on Wednesday at a hearing with IRS Commissioner John Koskinen, who is scheduled to testify about issues related to the agency’s targeting of tax-exempt groups based on their names and policy positions. The hearing, which begins at 10 a.m., can be viewed live through the panel’s video feed.

...House Ways and Means Republicans said Tuesday that they learned that Lerner’s hard drive was only “scratched” and that the data was recoverable. They said the Internal Revenue Service ignored in-house advice to seek outside help to retrieve the information.

Also on Tuesday, Republicans on the House oversight committee released testimony in which IRS Deputy Associate Chief Counsel Thomas Kane said the agency is no longer certain whether it recycled all of the backup tapes containing Lerner’s e-mails. He said the question of whether some of the tapes still exist is “an issue that is being looked at.”

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/201...backup-tapes-in-lerner/?cmpid=cmty_twitter_fn

IRS Commissioner John Koskinen, testifying before a House oversight subcommittee, stressed that he does not know "how they found them" or "whether there's anything on them or not." But he said the inspector general's office advised him the investigators are reviewing tapes to see if they contain any "recoverable" material.

The revelation is significant because the IRS claimed, when the agency first told Congress about the missing emails, that backup tapes "no longer exist because they have been recycled."


It is unclear whether the tapes in IG custody contain any Lerner emails, but Koskinen said investigators are now checking.
 
So which is it? They didn't know if they had been recycled per your WaPo link or they had definitely been recycled per your FoxNews link?
 
So which is it? They didn't know if they had been recycled per your WaPo link or they had definitely been recycled per your FoxNews link?
We'll find that out in the emails too!
 
I remember losing a file on the server and our IT didn't want to go through the tapes to try and find it. We didn't have anywhere near as much data backed up as the Federal Government has. So it could be a major pain in the butt to retrieve.

But when they do, we'll see the evidence first hand that implicates Obama directly in trying crush partisan resistance of his regime by slowing up tax exempt status for a handful of tea party groups.

Agreed. This sounds like a *MAJOR* pain to find.

Furthermore, since it's government stuff and only a backup plan I wouldn't be one bit surprised if it didn't work in the first place.
 
Good to see the House Republicans focusing on the important issues facing the US today.
 
I remember losing a file on the server and our IT didn't want to go through the tapes to try and find it. We didn't have anywhere near as much data backed up as the Federal Government has. So it could be a major pain in the butt to retrieve.

But when they do, we'll see the evidence first hand that implicates Obama directly in trying crush partisan resistance of his regime by slowing up tax exempt status for a handful of tea party groups.

Agreed. This sounds like a *MAJOR* pain to find.

Furthermore, since it's government stuff and only a backup plan I wouldn't be one bit surprised if it didn't work in the first place.

Followup--it looks like it's probably not actually there anyway.
 
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