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Unexpected patters in historical astronomical observations

 
 
 
That should be patterns, not patters, in the thread title. :rolleyes:
 
This may more imply short-lived degrading fragments of nuclear device casings being propelled into space by the blast, if it correlated to days after nuclear detonations?

Just spit balling here.
 
Uhhh ... Co relation is not causation?

I will point to George Noory and Coast To Coast AM again were such clams are routine. Pseudoscience central on the radio.

www.coasttocoastam.com

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steve_bank said:
Uhhh ... Co relation is not causation?

I will point to George Noory and Coast To Coast AM again were such clams are routine. Pseudoscience central on the radio.

www.coasttocoastam.com

Coast to Coast AM: The Best Paranormal News Show | Coast to Coast AM

Get news about the weird and bizarre on Coast to Coast AM from radio host George Noory every night!
www.coasttocoastam.com www.coasttocoastam.com
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Steve, these articles are in well respected peer-reviewed science journals. Read the astrophysicist whose blog I quoted. The whole point is that this is not coast to coast stuff, but legitimate scientific claims that must now be intensively studied for flaws.
 
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For me the best part about both studies is that, finally, there’s something associated with UFOs that science can work with. As an astrophysicist who studies life in the Universe, I’ve approached UFOs with deep skepticism. The “data” has, simply put, always sucked. Nothing but blobby photographs even in an era of high-resolution cameras and personal testimony even though eye-witness accounts are the worst form of evidence. There was never any hard, publicly available data that a scientist like me could use to begin a serious scientific study.

These new studies, however, are something different. Led by a trained astronomer named Beatriz Villarroel who created the VASCO project (Vanishing and Appearing Sources during a Century of Observations) these are peer-reviewed papers in high quality scientific journals. Peer review is important because it’s a process by which a scientific paper gets critically reviewed by at least one other scientist. The reviewer’s job is to do their best to ensure the paper rises to scientific standards. I’ve rejected more than one paper in my time because I thought the work was sloppy, confused or just not significant.
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I'm still not seeing much admission that "stuff seen in space with flat surfaces could have been ejected by the very devices that were detonated"

I find this a better reason to question the narrative that nothing of the device survives than to question whether we had interstellar visitors...
 
Jarhyn said:
I'm still not seeing much admission that "stuff seen in space with flat surfaces could have been ejected by the very devices that were detonated"

I find this a better reason to question the narrative that nothing of the device survives than to question whether we had interstellar visitors...
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Because they could not possibly have reached escape velocity.
 
pood said:
Jarhyn said:
I'm still not seeing much admission that "stuff seen in space with flat surfaces could have been ejected by the very devices that were detonated"

I find this a better reason to question the narrative that nothing of the device survives than to question whether we had interstellar visitors...
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Because they could not possibly have reached escape velocity.
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I believe this is an absolutely insane assumption.

If the manhole cover could potentially have reached escape velocity, so too could other fragments.

Combine this with the actual evidence we have that they DID reach escape velocity, namely the flat particles days later reflecting sunlight as such.

It's either that or aliens, and human incredulity at escaping bomb parts seems weak given the theory that impacts on earth sent earth bits to Mars, which is WAY further than "degraded low orbit".
 
pood said:
No manhole cover in space.

Also, what the peer-reviewed science papers are talking about are observations made in the early 50s, and this manhole stuff allegedly happened in 1957.
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So, you ARE going to disregard that the manhole cover DID reach escape velocity, as the article notes, at an insane over-run on the necessary numbers to do so.

The reason they assume it didn't "actually escape" as stated was that it was going TOO fast and would have melted, but then according to that same calculation, that was orders of magnitude higher than it would have needed for actually exiting.

Again you are assuming that the most likely outcome (that we managed to eject some human debris by detonating nukes) is not even plausible when we have evidence that yes, nukes can eject debris, notably at many times the necessary escape velocity.

Keep in mind that I'm the SAME person who thinks that interstellar intruders could potentially be trojan "interstellar carrier objects". I just very seriously doubt this is any kind of interstellar visitor.

Blow up a big bunch of metal in high atmosphere, you should expect small bits of metal ejected into the atmosphere.
 
I am researching this. It appears that escape velocity can be achieved. However, as noted, such debris would burn up before it reached outer space. So this idea cannot explain what the science papers are talking about.

Also, I don’t believe these sorts of nuclear tests with the potential for escape velocity were being done in the early 50s when the images now under review were being made.
 
Unfortunately the two links I provided don’t seem to offer links to the actual papers.
 
The best info I have found so far is that while material from high-altitude tests could have ejected material into outer space, ground or underground tests could not. Even if the debris could reach escape velocity, it would burn up in the atmosphere.
 
pood said:
I am researching this. It appears that escape velocity can be achieved. However, as noted, such debris would burn up before it reached outer space. So this idea cannot explain what the science papers are talking about.

Also, I don’t believe these sorts of nuclear tests with the potential for escape velocity were being done in the early 50s when the images now under review were being made.
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No it's as noted that the manhole, going fast enough to reach system escape, would have burned up.

This is also assuming a complete lack of mitigating effects, Including cavitation and bubbling of the atmosphere itself:

Imagine for a moment that some piece of debris, in the early blast (the shaped charge), gets ejected into some fast moving atmosphere outside the nuclear event, as the event is triggered.

Then the nuclear event sends *chunks of the air itself* out at faster than the speed of sound, through the other air, as part of a shock wave.

Ostensibly, this air itself could ablate and prevent friction of a contained chunk of external nuclear vessel, a bubble of compressed atmosphere traveling through the atmosphere, because it was already going hard when it got its first kick from the shaped charge.

As it is, this matter, of all the matter around the nuke, has the best chance of going very far intact, because it was going in the same direction as the blast.

There also happened to be a significant number of layers of stuff above the warheads in most of the tests I've seen footage of from that era, as brief and out of context as that footage was in my viewings (mostly clip stock imagery in other media).

Look, I'm just saying it's WAY more likely that any flashes of stuff in the vicinity of earth tumbling though the sunlight are attributable to the direct fallout and debris of a detonation capable of sending stuff into space from earth.
 
pood said:
This is not a Coast to Coast guy.
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Nether was Lowell. Making sensed of patterns on Mars.

The theory proposed by astronomer Percival Lowell that the linear features he observed on Mars were artificial canals built by an advanced Martian civilization. He believed these canals were an irrigation system used by Martians to channel water from the polar ice caps to more temperate regions of the planet. This idea fueled a public "Mars craze" and influenced popular culture, even though other astronomers could not verify the existence of the canals and later space probes found no evidence of them.
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Astronomy and cosmology and science in general has used up all the low hanging fruit. The quest for something new.

There was a lot of secret stuff going on in space that today would be seen public ally. There was a plan to test nuclear missiles on the Moon.

Reports from Mercury, Gemini, and Apollo astronauts of seeing unexplained objects and lights in space have been largely identified and explained
. While some sightings remain technically "unidentified," NASA has found conventional explanations for most of these sightings, often involving space debris, cosmic rays, and optical illusions.
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There was a secret Air Force orbiting space station.

Search on NASA astronauts sightings space flashes.
 
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