How should west respond to potential (likely) Russian invasion of Ukraine?

[zorq]

One? According to ukrainian own estimates "only" 20% of the people of Azov are nazis (the rest are just ordinary convicted criminals)
Again, this is their own accounting. In reality they are all nazis.
If it was just a one guy I doubt Ukrainian presidents would have been naming streets after WW2 nazis.

How many streets are named after Nazis?

lol.

For some perspective, the US literally has 1000s of streets named after slave owners and rapists.

 

[barbos]

How many streets are named after Nazis?

One is way too many.

 

[Patooka]

How many streets are named after Nazis?

One is way too many.

And for some reason I still believe the Russian reaction to a street being named after a Nazi to be a tad excessive.

 

[Ford]

How many streets are named after Nazis?

One is way too many.

And for some reason I still believe the Russian reaction to a street being named after a Nazi to be a tad excessive.

I've had Barbos on ignore for a long time. Let me guess...he's still claiming that the invasion of Ukraine was nothing more than rooting out "Nazis" in the country? That the painfully obvious war crimes committed against civilians in Bucha were all "fake news" from "the west" and that Putin is the savior of the Ukrainian people? That Zelenskyy is himself a Nazi despite being Jewish?

 

[Patooka]

I've had Barbos on ignore for a long time. Let me guess...he's still claiming that the invasion of Ukraine was nothing more than rooting out "Nazis" in the country? That the painfully obvious war crimes committed against civilians in Bucha were all "fake news" from "the west" and that Putin is the savior of the Ukrainian people? That Zelenskyy is himself a Nazi despite being Jewish?

Close. A street named after a Nazi is complete justification for invasion and war crimes. Just one street is enough.

 

[barbos]

How many streets are named after Nazis?

One is way too many.

And for some reason I still believe the Russian reaction to a street being named after a Nazi to be a tad excessive.

It was not street naming preferences of Ukrainian presidents. It was their murdering pro-russian population in Donbas. So It was way more proportional than NATO bombing of Yugoslavia.

 

[barbos]

How many streets are named after Nazis?

One is way too many.

And for some reason I still believe the Russian reaction to a street being named after a Nazi to be a tad excessive.

I've had Barbos on ignore for a long time. Let me guess...he's still claiming that the invasion of Ukraine was nothing more than rooting out "Nazis" in the country? That the painfully obvious war crimes committed against civilians in Bucha were all "fake news" from "the west" and that Putin is the savior of the Ukrainian people? That Zelenskyy is himself a Nazi despite being Jewish?

I see, good old "I have black friends" defence.

 

[Jayjay]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KiwiTtuWA6M
Summary of the videos:
Ukrainiann nazis used Tochka-U in Kramatorsk on their own people (not really, cause it's East Ukraine and people are pro-russian). Russia got rid of these outdated missiles in June 2021.

This is simply a lie. There is footage of Russian convoys with Tochka missiles, and there are other duds or shot down Tochka's elsewhere in Ukraine (here and here, for example).

Funny that it's the exact same thing Russia claimed when it shot down MH17 in 2014: that it couldn't have been Russia because the BUK M1 was an old model that Russia doesn't use anymore. At this point, everything Russia claims should be treated as false unless proven otherwise.

Next video shows Ukrainian government soldier wearing WW2 nazi SS insignia. Specifically SS division called Galizien. Video is from "The Sun"

There are plenty of pictures of Russians with Nazi insignia as well. Most notably the head of the Wagner group, Dmitry Utkin. Some captured soldiers as well.

Next
Analysis of Bucha incident. There is absolutely no doubt Ukrainians are behinnd it.
1. Russians declare leaving and then leave Bucha
2. Ukrainians enter Bucha
3. Ukrainians officials proclaim hunting down people who were cooperating with russians
4. Bucha Mayor (pro-nazi piece of shit) smiles and says everything is good in Bucha and Ukrainian army won.
5. 4 days (!!!) after russians left and ukrainians (Azov batallion, which is according to you own fucking government is a neo-nazi organization) entered, This story about bodies on streets appears in western press.
6. Bodies have hands tied with white bands (white arm-bands are being used by pro-russian civilians)
7. Russia has absolutely nothing to gain by murdering civilians.

Satellite images show the dead bodies were on the streets weeks before Russians left.

Every survivor confirms the story that Russians were killing people indiscriminately. If it was fake, would the Ukrainian propagandists been able to co-opt hundreds of people in a matter of days to tell the same story?

And the last point, that Russia has nothing to gain, is silly. They intend to crush the morale of the enemy. Same kind of massacres are now taking place in Mariupol (though that's probably mostly done by now), Izyum, Kherson and other places occupied by Russia. We just haven't heard about these massacres yet, just like we didn't hear about Bucha before the Russians withdrew..

 

[barbos]

Satellite images show the dead bodies were on the streets weeks before Russians left

Yet somehow, Mayor of the Bucha failed to notice it

 

[Ford]

I've had Barbos on ignore for a long time. Let me guess...he's still claiming that the invasion of Ukraine was nothing more than rooting out "Nazis" in the country? That the painfully obvious war crimes committed against civilians in Bucha were all "fake news" from "the west" and that Putin is the savior of the Ukrainian people? That Zelenskyy is himself a Nazi despite being Jewish?

Close. A street named after a Nazi is complete justification for invasion and war crimes. Just one street is enough.

Well, shit. The nearest major street to me is called McLintock. So I guess I should be supporting an invasion of my town by a foreign power to overthrow the rancher played by John Wayne in the 1963 movie of the same name? I am so confused.

 

[barbos]

Every survivor confirms the story that Russians were killing people indiscriminately

Right, so they say. Yet Mayor of the city was not told that by said "survivors".
Sorry dude. Your theory does not survive even basic scrutiny.

 

[barbos]

And the last point, that Russia has nothing to gain, is silly. They intend to crush the morale of the enemy.

Maybe it is silly for finnish army. But for russian it's pretty obvious that would be stupid to murder people indiscriminately because they would be prosecuted by russian authorities for that.

 

[zorq]

It was not street naming preferences of Ukrainian presidents.

You think it is the President's job to name the streets? LOL! No wonder your posts are so delusional. You are completely clueless!

It was their murdering pro-russian population in Donbas. So It was way more proportional than NATO bombing of Yugoslavia.

Hmmm, the "pro-Russian" population in Donbas? Is that the Russian mercenaries and soldiers who invaded Ukraine in 2014 you are talking about? The same Russian mercenaries and soldiers who murdered all the pro-Ukraine population in the Donbas after they invaded? Yeah, it's hard to get more "pro-Russian" than actual Russian people who are willing to murder other people for their country. LOL!

Thanks for coming back Barbos! You are a real laugh riot today!

 

[barbos]

Same kind of massacres are now taking place in Mariupol (though that's probably mostly done by now), Izyum, Kherson and other places occupied by Russia. We just haven't heard about these massacres yet, just like we didn't hear about Bucha before the Russians withdrew..

That's a lie and you know that.
Everything your official media says about this conflict is a lie.

 

[barbos]

You think it is the President's job to name the streets?

Don't know, but he did.
So, deal with it,

 

[barbos]

Hmmm, the "pro-Russian" population in Donbas? Is that the Russian mercenaries and

No, it's random people who Ukrainian "heroes" were murdering for 8 years.

 

[TV and credit cards]

How Finland and Sweden are responding this summer.

 

[Jayjay]

I need to clarify that the euters article did not say that Ukraine was the only one with those missiles. Only that they were outdated and old and Ukraine had them. They did not explicitly say no one else had them also.

Well, that's called "Lie by omission"
Reuters lied by "forgetting" to mention that Russia does not use/have them anymore. Russia has Iskanders and if, as your stupid theory suggests, they wanted to send a message they would have written "For the children" on Iskander rocket instead of rocket they don't have. They also "forgot" to mention that people killed were for the most part pro-russian. They also forgot to mention prior use of that rocket on civilians in Donetsk.

Russia could be running out of Iskanders after having fired so many of them all over Ukraine. So they use whatever they have.

What makes you think the people in Kramatorsk station were "pro-Russian"? Even if some people in unoccupied Donbas may have been inclined to side with Russia before the invastion, they certainly don't anymore now that they've seen their cities and towns being indiscriminately shelled by Russian missiles and artillery, and the news of massacres, looting, rapes and other nasty things that Russian army is doing.

 

[Jayjay]

Zelensky is a dead man walking. His immediate circle is filled with Azov/etc informants.
This is a problem for Russia. Russia needs him to be alive to sign surrender or at least some kind of agreement.

If you want to keep someone alive, you don't usually send multiple assassination teams to try to murder him.

Russian plan was first to cut off the head of the enemy, and install its own puppet. Even if that failed, and Putin may have to deal with Zelensky, I'm sure that he's not going to cancel the assassination order. He's a vengeful guy and will not forget the humiliation.

 

[barbos]

If you want to keep someone alive, you don't usually send multiple assassination teams to try to murder him.

I was not aware of any teams sent to kill Zelensky.

Russian plan was first to cut off the head of the enemy, and install its own puppet.

Russia can kill Zelensky tomorrow. Or at least demonstrate such intention.
But that's not the plan. The plan I understand is to grab land with pro-russian population and force Zelensky to agree to that and to neutral status of the rest.

The greatest threat to Zele's life is his own people who he does not control.
Ze achieved Churchill level status in the west, so if he surrenders it would be final.