About the War in Yemen

[Gospel]

There is seldom if ever a "good side" in a war, certainly not an unblemished one, so seeking out that side cannot be a rational priority in international decision-making.

Really? So, the current war in Ukraine does not have a clear cut "good side"?

I wager Russia's aggression today, is a result of incredibly stupid stuff that happened yesterday. So the current war in Ukraine does not have a clear-cut "good side".

 

[steve_bank]

There is seldom if ever a "good side" in a war, certainly not an unblemished one, so seeking out that side cannot be a rational priority in international decision-making.

Really? So, the current war in Ukraine does not have a clear cut "good side"?

I wager Russia's aggression today, is a result of incredibly stupid stuff that happened yesterday. So the current war in Ukraine does not have a clear-cut "good side".

One can be a religious agnostic, and one can be a political agnostic. Im other words a fence sitter.

You can trace causality all the way back to thefirst human civilizations and the ability to control fire. That gets you nowhere. At some point yiu have decide what you stand for.

Our liberal freedoms came at a price and it taks effort to keep them.

 

[steve_bank]

I think the clearest way to help any middle eastern country is to develop solar, wind, nuclear power using as non-toxic of a production chain as we can manage, so that the thing that is "big oil" dies a quiet death, and all the violent assholes that have grown up around "king of the hill profiteers on world energy" find themselves warring over nothing but "sticky, flammable, toxic sand", and all the guns and weapons that they don't make themselves breaking down over time because they didn't make them and nobody is fueling their bullshit anymore.

Why do they need help? There is plenty of money in the region.

Oil is not the vass of the conflct. Ethnicity and religion are.

 

[Trausti]

Oil is not the vass of the conflct. Ethnicity and religion are.

Nonsense. There were no wars or conflicts in that region since Sumerian times.

 

[Jarhyn]

I think the clearest way to help any middle eastern country is to develop solar, wind, nuclear power using as non-toxic of a production chain as we can manage, so that the thing that is "big oil" dies a quiet death, and all the violent assholes that have grown up around "king of the hill profiteers on world energy" find themselves warring over nothing but "sticky, flammable, toxic sand", and all the guns and weapons that they don't make themselves breaking down over time because they didn't make them and nobody is fueling their bullshit anymore.

Why do they need help? There is plenty of money in the region.

Oil is not the vass of the conflct. Ethnicity and religion are.

Oil is literally "the fuel for the weapons".

Ethnicity and religion generate the conflict, but the bloodiness of it, the catalyst of greater death, goes away when there is nothing they can trade for more bullets.

So you really think their "money" will be worth anything when they have nothing else?

 

[Gospel]

There is seldom if ever a "good side" in a war, certainly not an unblemished one, so seeking out that side cannot be a rational priority in international decision-making.

Really? So, the current war in Ukraine does not have a clear cut "good side"?

I wager Russia's aggression today, is a result of incredibly stupid stuff that happened yesterday. So the current war in Ukraine does not have a clear-cut "good side".

One can be a religious agnostic, and one can be a political agnostic. Im other words a fence sitter.

You can trace causality all the way back to thefirst human civilizations and the ability to control fire. That gets you nowhere. At some point yiu have decide what you stand for.

Our liberal freedoms came at a price and it taks effort to keep them.

I take this as you acknowledging the futility of the blame game.

 

[Harry Bosch]

There is seldom if ever a "good side" in a war, certainly not an unblemished one, so seeking out that side cannot be a rational priority in international decision-making.

Really? So, the current war in Ukraine does not have a clear cut "good side"?

I wager Russia's aggression today, is a result of incredibly stupid stuff that happened yesterday. So the current war in Ukraine does not have a clear-cut "good side".

I disagree 1,000 percent. Because Ukraine named a street after an alleged Nazi is sufficient reason for Russia to invade so that Russia can get a land bridge to Crimea? I'm sorry but that land bridge belongs to another people. If it becomes okay for a country to just start taking land just because they are bigger war will never end. If Russia wants a land bridge they should negotiate for it in good faith.

Every single country on earth has done incredibly stupid stuff to another group or country. We're people. We make mistakes. But with respect I'd say this: those with the privilege of being born into a powerful country like the US should have the sympathy to condemn another country invading its neighbor.

 

[steve_bank]

I think the clearest way to help any middle eastern country is to develop solar, wind, nuclear power using as non-toxic of a production chain as we can manage, so that the thing that is "big oil" dies a quiet death, and all the violent assholes that have grown up around "king of the hill profiteers on world energy" find themselves warring over nothing but "sticky, flammable, toxic sand", and all the guns and weapons that they don't make themselves breaking down over time because they didn't make them and nobody is fueling their bullshit anymore.

Why do they need help? There is plenty of money in the region.

Oil is not the vass of the conflct. Ethnicity and religion are.

Oil is literally "the fuel for the weapons".

Ethnicity and religion generate the conflict, but the bloodiness of it, the catalyst of greater death, goes away when there is nothing they can trade for more bullets.

So you really think their "money" will be worth anything when they have nothing else?

WTF?

Arbns gave a problem with decadence coupled with a lack of initiative. One of the most bizarre projects was creating artifical islands with expensive housing assuning if they built it the rich woud come.

It has been reported since the early 90s at the bottom of the Arab economies is a slave like class of imported workers.

Contrasting Israel to the Arabs is night and day. Starting from nothing they developed a modern state with western civil liberties, education, a diverse economy, science, agriculture, and technology.


You may want to do a search on solar instalations in North Africa and Mid East.

 

[steve_bank]

Oil is not the vass of the conflct. Ethnicity and religion are.

Nonsense. There were no wars or conflicts in that region since Sumerian times.

How did a large part of the region become Saudi Arabia?

Mohamed's policy was assimilale or die. How do you think Islam became dominant, good will? Ottoman Empire?

So, until the west came along in modern tums Arabs and Persians were just peaceful warm fuzzy harmless gnomes? Arabs fought each oter much as the European city states did.

 

[Trausti]

Oil is not the vass of the conflct. Ethnicity and religion are.

Nonsense. There were no wars or conflicts in that region since Sumerian times.

How did a large part of the region become Saudi Arabia?

Mohamed's policy was assimilale or die. How do you think Islam became dominant, good will? Ottoman Empire?

So, until the west came along in modern tums Arabs and Persians were just peaceful warm fuzzy harmless gnomes? Arabs fought each oter much as the European city states did.

Being sarcastic, Steve. You forget to mention the Assyrians. And the Persians. And the . . .