Good news in the pronoun wars: $400k payout for professor

[Metaphor]

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10728699/Shawnee-State-agrees-pay-400k-professor-refused-use-trans-students-preferred-pronouns.html

Shawnee State University has agreed to pay $400,000 to professor Nick Meriwether, who sued the school after it punished him for refusing to use a student's preferred pronouns in 2018.Meriwether, a devout Christian and a professor of philosophy who has taught at Shawnee State for 25-years, sued the school for violating his First Amendment rights.

Shawnee State and Meriwether reached the settlement on Friday after a unanimous ruling by the 6th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals in March 2021 found that the school had violated Meriwether's right to free speech and free exercise of religion.

Controversy began on the first day of Shawnee's second semester in January 2018, when Merewether responded to a student's question by saying 'Yes, sir.'

After class the student, who was born a male but identifies as a female, asked that Merewether refer to them as a woman and with female pronouns.

Merewether said he could not comply with the student's wishes because they violated his religious beliefs that gender is determined from the moment of conception.

Court documents say that the student became belligerent when Meriwether refused to comply, told him he would be fired, and said 'I guess this means I can call you a cu**.'

Ah yes, the pronoun militants, who believe using pronouns that match a person's sex makes them a cunt.

The student filed a complaint with the school, and Meriwether was told by Dean Roberta Millikan to refrain from using gender pronouns at all in his class. Meriwether said this was next to impossible and offered to refer to the transgender student by their last name only, which Millikan accepted.

The student then complained to the school twice more - once after Meriwether referred to them as 'Mr.' before correcting himself - and threatened legal action if they did not take action against Meriwether.

Meriwether then offered to refer to all students by their preferred pronouns if he could include a note in his syllabus stating that he was doing so 'under compulsion and setting forth his personal and religious beliefs about gender identity.'

Dean Millikan refused this option on the grounds that it would violate Shawnee's gender-identity policy.

Millikan then informed Meriwether that an investigation was being opened into the complaints against him, which later resulted in the claim that he had 'created a hostile environment' in his classroom.

Yes indeed. Meriwether refusing participation in the gender cultist religious rites means he was the one creating the hostile environment.

The school filed a formal warning against Meriwether and told him that 'further corrective actions' would be taken against him if he did not comply to their demands about how to refer to transgender students.

Meriwether said that the school's warning prevented him from addressing gender issues in class discussions because he feared he could be fired or suspended for not following the school's beliefs.

He also said that that the warning-letter would make it 'difficult, if not impossible' to be hired at another school should he leave Shawnee State.

In response to the warning, Meriwether filed a lawsuit against Shawnee State alleging that the school violated his First Amendment rights.

The suit was initially dismissed, but on March 26, 2021, the 6th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals overturned the dismissal and unanimously ruled that Meriwether's freedom of speech had been violated.

'The First Amendment interests are especially strong here because Meriwether's speech also relates to his core religious and philosophical beliefs,' Judge Amul Thapar wrote in the decision.

If professors lacked free-speech protections when teaching, a university would wield alarming power to compel ideological conformity,' Thapar wrote.

On Friday Shawnee State settled with Meriwether and agreed to pay him $400,000 in damages and attorney's fees.

'Public universities should welcome intellectual and ideological diversity, where all students and professors can engage in meaningful discussions without compromising their core beliefs,' said Senior Counsel Tyson Langhofer of the Alliance Defending Freedom.

'Dr. Meriwether rightly defended his freedom to speak and stay silent, and not conform to the university's demand for uniformity of thought. We commend the university for ultimately agreeing to do the right thing, in keeping with its reason for existence as a marketplace of ideas.'

The university didn't agree to any such thing. They were rightfully forced to do the right thing.

 

[zorq]

Ah yes, the pronoun militants, who believe using pronouns that match a person's sex makes them a cunt.

It is commonly known to be rude to address people in ways that they prefer not to be addressed. You know this right? Stories of doctors who throw hissy fits after being addressed with a title of "Mr." abound.
When disrespect is offered to an individual it is also a common reaction for that individual to return that disrespect. See the aforementioned doctors.

Yes indeed. Meriwether refusing participation in the gender cultist religious rites means he was the one creating the hostile environment.

Dude, he literally insists that the reason he refuses to offer to this student an amount of respect most people consider a bare minimum is because his of HIS religion. HIS irrational belief system based on not on facts, but ... FAITH, led him to act like an asshole, and that makes everyone else "cultists"? Reality check. I bet you that he can't even find an entry in any of his preferred "holy texts" that actually forbid him from using pronouns in ANY way whatsoever. The guy is clearly a nut.

The university didn't agree to any such thing. They were rightfully forced to do the right thing.

Eh.

No employer should be forced to employ an employee who insists on unnecessarily disrespecting some of their customers. Punitive actions seem to be in order in some cases like this. The devil is in the details, and I would have to research the case a bit more to come to an actual decision about how I think the case should have turned out. Freedom of speech is important, but assholes shouldn't be surprised to face consequences.

 

[Metaphor]

Ah yes, the pronoun militants, who believe using pronouns that match a person's sex makes them a cunt.

It is commonly known to be rude to address people in ways that they prefer not to be addressed.

Is it? So, if you prefer to be addressed as 'His Royal Highness Zorq', I'd be rude to not comply?

You know this right?

No, I don't 'know' any such thing. To 'know' something means I believe a statement to be true, I have good reason to believe it to be true, and it is, in fact, true.

So, no, I don't know it.

Stories of doctors who throw hissy fits after being addressed with a title of "Mr." abound.

Good for them, I suppose?

When disrespect is offered to an individual it is also a common reaction for that individual to return that disrespect. See the aforementioned doctors.

What doctors? What doctors are you talking about, and why on earth do you think they ought have 'title respect' enforced?

Yes indeed. Meriwether refusing participation in the gender cultist religious rites means he was the one creating the hostile environment.

Dude, he literally insists that the reason he refuses to offer to this student an amount of respect most people consider a bare minimum is because his of HIS religion. HIS irrational belief system based on not on facts, but ... FAITH,

Non. It is a faith belief that pronouns for humans are based on personal preference and not on sex. This is in conflict with nearly the entire history of spoken English.

led him to act like an asshole, and that makes everyone else "cultists"? Reality check. I bet you that he can't even find an entry in any of his preferred "holy texts" that actually forbid him from using pronouns in ANY way whatsoever. The guy is clearly a nut.

Eh? I don't have any holy texts, and I would not address a male as 'she', most especially I wouldn't do it if he demanded I do it.

The university didn't agree to any such thing. They were rightfully forced to do the right thing.

Eh.

No employer should be forced to employ an employee who insists on unnecessarily disrespecting some of their customers.

So, you don't agree with the USA's First Amendment? And the 'employer' here is the government.

Punitive actions seem to be in order in some cases like this. The devil is in the details, and I would have to research the case a bit more to come to an actual decision about how I think the case should have turned out. Freedom of speech is important, but assholes shouldn't be surprised to face consequences.

You're right - the asshole administrators have faced consequences for their blatant disregard of the professor's First Amendment rights. Not enough consequences though.

 

[zorq]

Ah yes, the pronoun militants, who believe using pronouns that match a person's sex makes them a cunt.

It is commonly known to be rude to address people in ways that they prefer not to be addressed.

Is it? So, if you prefer to be addressed as 'His Royal Highness Zorq', I'd be rude to not comply?

Yes, provided "I" made my preferences clear, indicated their importance to me and they weren't actually troublesome "I" would be very grateful for you not to insult me by addressing me incorrectly.

You know this right?

No, I don't 'know' any such thing. To 'know' something means I believe a statement to be true, I have good reason to believe it to be true, and it is, in fact, true.

So, no, I don't know it.

Wait, you are so isolated from reality that you have never heard of the concept of people not liking it when you address them incorrectly? WTF?

Let me clue you in. It IS a fact. Here is a popular holiday movie to help highlight this nearly universal fact.



Now, Peter Dinklage's character was angry because Will Farrell's character kept referring to him as an elf despite politely and then aggressively requesting that he not be referred to as an elf. Most of humanity don't need this sort of explanation and they understand what is happening in this scene. I am very sad that I needed to explain it to you.

Stories of doctors who throw hissy fits after being addressed with a title of "Mr." abound.

Good for them, I suppose?

When disrespect is offered to an individual it is also a common reaction for that individual to return that disrespect. See the aforementioned doctors.

What doctors? What doctors are you talking about, and why on earth do you think they ought have 'title respect' enforced?

Who said that doctors should have title respect enforced. I was asking you to identify with a very common human emotion of feeling bad when respect that a person thinks is due to them isn't offered, and then attempting to return that bad emotion on the inflictor of that emotion by returning a similar disrespect. But I see now that asking you to identify human emotions is a big ask, much less asking you to empathizes with humans who feel them. My bad.

Yes indeed. Meriwether refusing participation in the gender cultist religious rites means he was the one creating the hostile environment.

Dude, he literally insists that the reason he refuses to offer to this student an amount of respect most people consider a bare minimum is because his of HIS religion. HIS irrational belief system based on not on facts, but ... FAITH,

Non. It is a faith belief that pronouns for humans are based on personal preference and not on sex. This is in conflict with nearly the entire history of spoken English.

If we are to believe the article, this guy probably doesn't give a shit about the history of the English language. He says he cares about his magic. He thinks that the magic won't work for him if he doesn't say the magic words right. He doesn't care who he hurts in the process either. If his magic book told him cannibalism is the path to paradise, he'd probably do it. Ask a Catholic.

It is faith to think that any language exists in any absolute terms. They are all arbitrary invented symbols and most are constantly in flux.

But in the end language exists for communication. Most humans have highly developed brains honed over hundreds of thousands of years of evolution and living socially to be sensitive to social cues and empathetic towards other members of their tribe. They understand that you can hurt other people using language. If this professor wanted to he could choose to not hurt other people with his words, but he doesn't give a fuck.

led him to act like an asshole, and that makes everyone else "cultists"? Reality check. I bet you that he can't even find an entry in any of his preferred "holy texts" that actually forbid him from using pronouns in ANY way whatsoever. The guy is clearly a nut.

Eh? I don't have any holy texts, and I would not address a male as 'she', most especially I wouldn't do it if he demanded I do it.

Then you're probably an asshole. It's such an small ask, and it means so much to some people. You care more about the "history of the English language" than the emotions of a human standing in front of you?

Regardless of the dickishness, you should really consider offering more respect to other humans from a self preservation perspective too. I try to avoid situations similar to the one Peter Dinklage inflicted on Will Ferrell. And it could be worse-- in the US, you never know who has a gun. And all that over some imagined slight to the gods of the "history of the English language"? No thanks.

The university didn't agree to any such thing. They were rightfully forced to do the right thing.

Eh.

No employer should be forced to employ an employee who insists on unnecessarily disrespecting some of their customers.

So, you don't agree with the USA's First Amendment? And the 'employer' here is the government.

You understand that the first amendment isn't a blank check right? There are some things you can't say. And there are some things the Government can't say. There is plenty of nuance there for a devil to hide in.

Punitive actions seem to be in order in some cases like this. The devil is in the details, and I would have to research the case a bit more to come to an actual decision about how I think the case should have turned out. Freedom of speech is important, but assholes shouldn't be surprised to face consequences.

You're right - the asshole administrators have faced consequences for their blatant disregard of the professor's First Amendment rights. Not enough consequences though.

Eh.

 

[Metaphor]

Ah yes, the pronoun militants, who believe using pronouns that match a person's sex makes them a cunt.

It is commonly known to be rude to address people in ways that they prefer not to be addressed.

Is it? So, if you prefer to be addressed as 'His Royal Highness Zorq', I'd be rude to not comply?

Yes, provided "I" made my preferences clear, indicated their importance to me and they weren't actually troublesome "I" would be very grateful for you not to insult me by addressing me incorrectly.

That you think you can determine whether your preferences are not 'actually troublesome' indicates to me your preferences are actually quite troublesome.

You know this right?

No, I don't 'know' any such thing. To 'know' something means I believe a statement to be true, I have good reason to believe it to be true, and it is, in fact, true.

So, no, I don't know it.

Wait, you are so isolated from reality that you have never heard of the concept of people not liking it when you address them incorrectly? WTF?

I do not address people incorrectly.

Now, Peter Dinklage's character was angry because Will Farrell's character kept referring to him as an elf despite politely and then aggressively requesting that he not be referred to as an elf. Most of humanity don't need this sort of explanation and they understand what is happening in this scene. I am very sad that I needed to explain it to you.

You've explained nothing.

Stories of doctors who throw hissy fits after being addressed with a title of "Mr." abound.

Good for them, I suppose?

When disrespect is offered to an individual it is also a common reaction for that individual to return that disrespect. See the aforementioned doctors.

What doctors? What doctors are you talking about, and why on earth do you think they ought have 'title respect' enforced?

Who said that doctors should have title respect enforced. I was asking you to identify with a very common human emotion of feeling bad when respect that a person thinks is due to them isn't offered, and then attempting to return that bad emotion on the inflictor of that emotion by returning a similar disrespect. But I see now that asking you to identify human emotions is a big ask, much less asking you to empathizes with humans who feel them. My bad.

Yes, your bad. I feel emotions and your blatant desire to completely disrespect them shows your empathy is quite selective.

Yes indeed. Meriwether refusing participation in the gender cultist religious rites means he was the one creating the hostile environment.

Dude, he literally insists that the reason he refuses to offer to this student an amount of respect most people consider a bare minimum is because his of HIS religion. HIS irrational belief system based on not on facts, but ... FAITH,

Non. It is a faith belief that pronouns for humans are based on personal preference and not on sex. This is in conflict with nearly the entire history of spoken English.

If we are to believe the article, this guy probably doesn't give a shit about the history of the English language. He says he cares about his magic. He thinks that the magic won't work for him if he doesn't say the magic words right. He doesn't care who he hurts in the process either. If his magic book told him cannibalism is the path to paradise, he'd probably do it. Ask a Catholic.

it is the pronoun cultists who believe in magic, not this professor.

It is faith to think that any language exists in any absolute terms. They are all arbitrary invented symbols and most are constantly in flux.

I never claimed it did.

But neither you, nor any gender cultist, has the moral right to force language from me or anyone.

But in the end language exists for communication. Most humans have highly developed brains honed over hundreds of thousands of years of evolution and living socially to be sensitive to social cues and empathetic towards other members of their tribe. They understand that you can hurt other people using language. If this professor wanted to he could choose to not hurt other people with his words, but he doesn't give a fuck.

No, the gender cultist male who insisted others see him as and refer to him as a woman, doesn't give a FUCK about hurting other people. It was he who made threats.

led him to act like an asshole, and that makes everyone else "cultists"? Reality check. I bet you that he can't even find an entry in any of his preferred "holy texts" that actually forbid him from using pronouns in ANY way whatsoever. The guy is clearly a nut.

Eh? I don't have any holy texts, and I would not address a male as 'she', most especially I wouldn't do it if he demanded I do it.

Then you're probably an asshole. It's such an small ask, and it means so much to some people.

It's a small ask for you. It's a big ask for me to utter lies at the behest of gender cultists.

You care more about the "history of the English language" than the emotions of a human standing in front of you?

It is you who clearly does not give a flying fuck about the emotions of people you disagree with.

Regardless of the dickishness, you should really consider offering more respect to other humans from a self preservation perspective too.

Yeah, threats of violence are a dick move. Did you know they were a dick move? They're a dick move.

I try to avoid situations similar to the one Peter Dinklage inflicted on Will Ferrell. And it could be worse-- in the US, you never know who has a gun. And all that over some imagined slight to the gods of the "history of the English language"? No thanks.

Yeah, darling, that gender cultists might fucking shoot and kill you for not conforming to their religion is not persuading me to respect your position, luv.

Unfortunately, I don't live in a country with an equivalent first amendment, but I do live in a country where people don't pack heat while grocery shopping.

The university didn't agree to any such thing. They were rightfully forced to do the right thing.

Eh.

No employer should be forced to employ an employee who insists on unnecessarily disrespecting some of their customers.

So, you don't agree with the USA's First Amendment? And the 'employer' here is the government.

You understand that the first amendment isn't a blank check right? There are some things you can't say. And there are some things the Government can't say. There is plenty of nuance there for a devil to hide in.

And the government has said that it can't force people it employs to 'respect' the forced prayers of gender cultists.

 

[zorq]

Ah yes, the pronoun militants, who believe using pronouns that match a person's sex makes them a cunt.

It is commonly known to be rude to address people in ways that they prefer not to be addressed.

Is it? So, if you prefer to be addressed as 'His Royal Highness Zorq', I'd be rude to not comply?

Yes, provided "I" made my preferences clear, indicated their importance to me and they weren't actually troublesome "I" would be very grateful for you not to insult me by addressing me incorrectly.

That you think you can determine whether your preferences are not 'actually troublesome' indicates to me your preferences are actually quite troublesome.

If you can utter an audible tone that indicates disrespect, you can utter a similar audible tone that indicates respect. It really isn't physically troublesome at all. Neither tone actually hurts you.

You know this right?

No, I don't 'know' any such thing. To 'know' something means I believe a statement to be true, I have good reason to believe it to be true, and it is, in fact, true.

So, no, I don't know it.

Wait, you are so isolated from reality that you have never heard of the concept of people not liking it when you address them incorrectly? WTF?

I do not address people incorrectly.

And do the people you address agree with you?

Now, Peter Dinklage's character was angry because Will Farrell's character kept referring to him as an elf despite politely and then aggressively requesting that he not be referred to as an elf. Most of humanity don't need this sort of explanation and they understand what is happening in this scene. I am very sad that I needed to explain it to you.

You've explained nothing.

So you are still playing dumb? I guess I'll just keep playing your game.

Stories of doctors who throw hissy fits after being addressed with a title of "Mr." abound.

Good for them, I suppose?

When disrespect is offered to an individual it is also a common reaction for that individual to return that disrespect. See the aforementioned doctors.

What doctors? What doctors are you talking about, and why on earth do you think they ought have 'title respect' enforced?

Who said that doctors should have title respect enforced. I was asking you to identify with a very common human emotion of feeling bad when respect that a person thinks is due to them isn't offered, and then attempting to return that bad emotion on the inflictor of that emotion by returning a similar disrespect. But I see now that asking you to identify human emotions is a big ask, much less asking you to empathizes with humans who feel them. My bad.

Yes, your bad. I feel emotions and your blatant desire to completely disrespect them shows your empathy is quite selective.

Here's a secret, I know that you feel emotions, and I care about your emotions but I know that you are playing dumb. One of the tools I have chosen to use to make you stop playing dumb and come to the facking obvious epiphany that treating other people like shit for silly arbitrary reasons is a bad thing to do is to treat you a little bit like shit. When you decided to play dumb, I just decided to play your "I'm dumb" game with you. Why? To help you learn a lesson.

Yes indeed. Meriwether refusing participation in the gender cultist religious rites means he was the one creating the hostile environment.

Dude, he literally insists that the reason he refuses to offer to this student an amount of respect most people consider a bare minimum is because of HIS religion. HIS irrational belief system based on not on facts, but ... FAITH,

Non. It is a faith belief that pronouns for humans are based on personal preference and not on sex. This is in conflict with nearly the entire history of spoken English.

If we are to believe the article, this guy probably doesn't give a shit about the history of the English language. He says he cares about his magic. He thinks that the magic won't work for him if he doesn't say the magic words right. He doesn't care who he hurts in the process either. If his magic book told him cannibalism is the path to paradise, he'd probably do it. Ask a Catholic.

it is the pronoun cultists who believe in magic, not this professor.

You REALLY are playing dumb, yikes. I mean the fact that the guy is a Christian made it to word number 7 in the title of the article you posted. He believes in real magic. Really! He thinks it is real! LOL!

It is faith to think that any language exists in any absolute terms. They are all arbitrary invented symbols and most are constantly in flux.

I never claimed it did.

But neither you, nor any gender cultist, has the moral right to force language from me or anyone.

Great! We agree!

But in the end language exists for communication. Most humans have highly developed brains honed over hundreds of thousands of years of evolution and living socially to be sensitive to social cues and empathetic towards other members of their tribe. They understand that you can hurt other people using language. If this professor wanted to he could choose to not hurt other people with his words, but he doesn't give a fuck.

No, the gender cultist male who insisted others see him as and refer to him as a woman, doesn't give a FUCK about hurting other people. It was he who made threats.

Yeah, a lot of people have this weird notion that when they are paying for a service that it shouldn't come with insults and arbitrary disrespect. The student in question asked for a token of respect to be paid to her but instead was subjected to continued abusive language. I suspect that isn't something the enrolment contract warned her to expect either. Students have rights too you know.

led him to act like an asshole, and that makes everyone else "cultists"? Reality check. I bet you that he can't even find an entry in any of his preferred "holy texts" that actually forbid him from using pronouns in ANY way whatsoever. The guy is clearly a nut.

Eh? I don't have any holy texts, and I would not address a male as 'she', most especially I wouldn't do it if he demanded I do it.

Then you're probably an asshole. It's such an small ask, and it means so much to some people.

It's a small ask for you. It's a big ask for me to utter lies at the behest of gender cultists.

You care more about the "history of the English language" than the emotions of a human standing in front of you?

It is you who clearly does not give a flying fuck about the emotions of people you disagree with.

Does it feel bad to be disrespected? Huh... How about that? If only you could relate this feeling to some other context.

Regardless of the dickishness, you should really consider offering more respect to other humans from a self preservation perspective too.

Yeah, threats of violence are a dick move. Did you know they were a dick move? They're a dick move.

What? The student didn't threaten violence. What are you talking about?

I try to avoid situations similar to the one Peter Dinklage inflicted on Will Ferrell. And it could be worse-- in the US, you never know who has a gun. And all that over some imagined slight to the gods of the "history of the English language"? No thanks.

Yeah, darling, that gender cultists might fucking shoot and kill you for not conforming to their religion is not persuading me to respect your position, luv.

Unfortunately, I don't live in a country with an equivalent first amendment, but I do live in a country where people don't pack heat while grocery shopping.

It's not just the minorities who are a danger to you when you disrespect them, it is everyone. Really, this is an important life lesson. You should strongly consider offering the people you meet a little more respect until they show you that they don't deserve it. Arbitrarily pissing people off is ALWAYS a hazard.

The university didn't agree to any such thing. They were rightfully forced to do the right thing.

Eh.

No employer should be forced to employ an employee who insists on unnecessarily disrespecting some of their customers.

So, you don't agree with the USA's First Amendment? And the 'employer' here is the government.

You understand that the first amendment isn't a blank check right? There are some things you can't say. And there are some things the Government can't say. There is plenty of nuance there for a devil to hide in.

And the government has said that it can't force people it employs to 'respect' the forced prayers of gender cultists.

Eh. I think I need to remind you that this professor's lawyers weren't able to convince every judge they showed the case to that they were right. And, the actual verdict is likely a little more nuanced than you or the "Daily Mail" are making it out to be.

 

[laughing dog]

I know this. If I call anyone on my campus a "cunt", and they complain, my butt will be in a sling. And if I persist in it, I will get fired.

 

[steve_bank]

Another example of the creeping growing climate of political correctness and assault on free speech.

If yiu speak outside the correctness you are harrased and in some cases punished personally and professionally.

 

[Trausti]

Jordan Peterson became a public figure based on this very issue. Forcing people to use certain language is not about respect, it's about power.

 

[steve_bank]

Jordan Peterson became a public figure based on this very issue. Forcing people to use certain language is not about respect, it's about power.

Us humans are downright hypocritical, aint 'we'?

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

Another example of the creeping growing climate of political correctness and assault on free speech.

If yiu speak outside the correctness you are harrased and in some cases punished personally and professionally.

Dude, you get upset if people complain about your typing. And you are whining about people showing respect to each other?

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

Jordan Peterson became a public figure based on this very issue. Forcing people to use certain language is not about respect, it's about power.

No... it is about respect and courtesy.

When did courtesy become politicized?

 

[Trausti]

Another example of the creeping growing climate of political correctness and assault on free speech.

If yiu speak outside the correctness you are harrased and in some cases punished personally and professionally.

Dude, you get upset if people complain about your typing. And you are whining about people showing respect to each other?

Forcing people to use political language is not about respect.

 

[Trausti]

Jordan Peterson became a public figure based on this very issue. Forcing people to use certain language is not about respect, it's about power.

No... it is about respect and courtesy.

When did courtesy become politicized?

People should be punished, lose their jobs, fined, possibly jailed because you feel disrespected?

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

Jordan Peterson became a public figure based on this very issue. Forcing people to use certain language is not about respect, it's about power.

No... it is about respect and courtesy.

When did courtesy become politicized?

People should be punished, lose their jobs, fined, possibly jailed because you feel disrespected?

Exactly my point. When did the idea of common courtesy become partisan, that some people feel the absolute divine right to be an ass?

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

Another example of the creeping growing climate of political correctness and assault on free speech.

If yiu speak outside the correctness you are harrased and in some cases punished personally and professionally.

Dude, you get upset if people complain about your typing. And you are whining about people showing respect to each other?

Forcing people to use political language is not about respect.

The idea that anything needs to be forced would be the first problem.

 

[TomC]

Another example of the creeping growing climate of political correctness and assault on free speech.

If yiu speak outside the correctness you are harrased and in some cases punished personally and professionally.

I don't see it that way.

What someone does in their personal lives is one thing. Standards of behavior in a professional setting aren't the same.

You refer to a client/student/whatever in a way that facilitates doing your job as best as you can. This is similar to asking every MRI patient "Could you be pregnant?". It's the professional way to handle things.

And, no, your religious beliefs don't give you license to behave in an unprofessional way. If Mr Meriwether cannot perform up to the standard, because of his religion, he needs to find a new job. He shouldn't be a teacher at that particular institution.

At the same time, the student sounds like a complete pain in the ass. More concerned about her status as a victim than the course work. Trans folks can be self-entitled assholish people like everyone else.
Tom

 

[Bomb#20]

It is commonly known to be rude to address people in ways that they prefer not to be addressed. You know this right? Stories of doctors who throw hissy fits after being addressed with a title of "Mr." abound.
When disrespect is offered to an individual it is also a common reaction for that individual to return that disrespect. See the aforementioned doctors.

Wait, you are so isolated from reality that you have never heard of the concept of people not liking it when you address them incorrectly? WTF?

Let me clue you in. It IS a fact. Here is a popular holiday movie to help highlight this nearly universal fact.

 

[Trausti]

Jordan Peterson became a public figure based on this very issue. Forcing people to use certain language is not about respect, it's about power.

No... it is about respect and courtesy.

When did courtesy become politicized?

People should be punished, lose their jobs, fined, possibly jailed because you feel disrespected?

Exactly my point. When did the idea of common courtesy become partisan, that some people feel the absolute divine right to be an ass?

It would seem the foundation of the First Amendment is the liberty to be a curmudgeon, regardless of the fashionable mores of the day.

 

[TomC]

It would seem the foundation of the First Amendment is the liberty to be a curmudgeon, regardless of the fashionable mores of the day.

It doesn't, however, protect people from social pressures and disapproval.

Only from government prosecution. That's quite different.
Tom