Great Reset Coming Soon

[Metaphor]

"You will own nothing and you will be happy" is a statement made in a WEF social media video in 2016.

Do you have a specific link where we can see that statement in context? The link I clicked was useless.

8 predictions for the world in 2030

From the death of shopping to the rise of the nation state, experts reflect on what lies ahead.

www.weforum.org

First, @ Metaphor — you seem confused about the distinction between Description and Prescription.

What makes you think I'm confused? Have I written something false or something that implies I'm confused? If so, what?

My impression is that the makers of that webpage were various prognosticators, not predicting with a single voice. I know QOPAnoners and related Ilks view WEF as part of the Illuminati/Cabal trying to refashion our world. Where do you fall on that spectrum?

I have no idea what any 'QOPanoners' think or what they even are.

I do think WEF is trying to refashion the world, but not as part of a secret cabal, but because they openly advertise it as their mission

Our Mission

The World Economic Forum is the International Organization for Public-Private Cooperation. The Forum engages the foremost political, business, cultural and other leaders of society to shape global, regional and industry agendas.

www.weforum.org

The World Economic Forum​

The World Economic Forum is the International Organization for Public-Private Cooperation.
The Forum engages the foremost political, business, cultural and other leaders of society to shape global, regional and industry agendas.

Your sentence is the first sentence in an embedded video there, but the text at your link does not contain the word "happy."

Well, no, the text does not, but the video does. Did you watch the video? I can't link directly to it but it is on the bottom of that page. This is a screenshot from the video:

It has four instances of "own", all in the following paragraph.

1. All products will have become services. “I don't own anything. I don't own a car. I don't own a house. I don't own any appliances or any clothes,” writes Danish MP Ida Auken. Shopping is a distant memory in the city of 2030, whose inhabitants have cracked clean energy and borrow what they need on demand. It sounds utopian, until she mentions that her every move is tracked and outside the city live swathes of discontents, the ultimate depiction of a society split in two.

Your one-sentence summary of this WEF page, even though it does match the first line of the video, seems rather . . . peculiar.

That wasn't my one sentence summary of the WEF page. I had never seen that page before I linked to it. I was talking about the video. I relayed a fact about why WEF's video caused controversy. It was because of those words.

The webpage had a text image that may be worth reproducing:

Why was that worth reproducing?

 

[Metaphor]

As for the statement that caused the controversy: it was kinda dumb and will be proven to be wrong. I own more than I've ever owned in my entire life. I own my clothes. I own a manual lawnmower. I own more DVDs than is healthy to have. There is no conceivable 2030 where people will not own things, whether it is personal effects or automobiles or houses.

WEF does not really state whether it wants people to own nothing and be happy. But I know I don't want it. I know I can no longer trust corporations to not censor art. Hell, I cannot even trust the creators of that art not to censor their own work after the fact, let alone the corporations.

 

[Hermit]

"You will own nothing and you will be happy" is a statement made in a WEF social media video in 2016.

Do you have a specific link where we can see that statement in context? The link I clicked was useless.

8 predictions for the world in 2030

From the death of shopping to the rise of the nation state, experts reflect on what lies ahead.

www.weforum.org

From the article you linked to:

We asked experts from our Global Future Councils for their take on the world in 2030, and these are the results, from the death of shopping to the resurgence of the nation state.

You appear to equate "prediction" with "aim".

 

[steve_bank]

It is not global yet. Shri Lanka and other places are in meltdown.

Food production is being affected by ricing temperatures.

We ad an insurrection in ur capitol. National Guard was deployed. We had a long spell of riots in Seattle and Portland.

The world has been on a shaky foundation for a long time. Globalization connects everything together, supply chain has become a common term. The obvious consequences of the Ukraine war.

People have predicted a cataclysmic meltdown every year for who knows how long. Christians make an art out of t. The gospel Jesus was a doom and gloomer.

Debt is a part of capitalistic economic growth. Too little or too much and the economy has problems. Investment and debt goes back to the first civilizations with commerce.

Whether a continuous growth in global GDP across all economies is sustainable s an open question. Does not seem possible to me.

 

[steve_bank]

When you think bout it we have had multiple resets over the last 100 years.

The Great Depression
The Great Recession

And a number of smaller resets here and globally. Greece is n a continuous reset.

 

[Metaphor]

"You will own nothing and you will be happy" is a statement made in a WEF social media video in 2016.

Do you have a specific link where we can see that statement in context? The link I clicked was useless.

8 predictions for the world in 2030

From the death of shopping to the rise of the nation state, experts reflect on what lies ahead.

www.weforum.org

From the article you linked to:

We asked experts from our Global Future Councils for their take on the world in 2030, and these are the results, from the death of shopping to the resurgence of the nation state.

You appear to equate "prediction" with "aim".

Where do you allege I've done that? Please quote me.

 

[steve_bank]

There have been numerous social-economic resets.

Greece, Rome, and Egypt came and went. Ancient China and Japan. Russia.

 

[Swammerdami]

Where do you allege I've done that? Please quote me.

See below.

I don´t know if the people behind this video are genuine or not.
But what they describe is similar to how World Economic Forum want their "Great Reset". There are some lunatics out there telling you that this reset is just a "conpiracy theory" even though everything is on WEF´s website.
My spiritual contact tells me the vaxx lead to AIDS so those people may not be able to fight anyway.

I think there is no doubt that jdf5 is a fervent believer in some elite agenda: That there is a conspiracy to impose some "Great Reset." I don't keep track of all the variations of "Illuminati" or "New World Order", but lately killing or control by vaccinations — with Bill Gates the major perpetrator — is a major theme. OP swallows this theory in spades.

A "Great Reset" MIGHT be coming and it would behoove to understand it. The WEF appears to have gathered some smart visionaries who MAY provide useful insights. We might learn much from reviewing the various (often contradictory) predictions that the various WEF prognosticators make.

From the article you linked to:

We asked experts from our Global Future Councils for their take on the world in 2030, and these are the results, from the death of shopping to the resurgence of the nation state.

You appear to equate "prediction" with "aim".

Where do you allege I've done that? Please quote me.

Okay. We stipulate that the first 2 or 3 Metaphor posts in this thread were just jokes about watches. Then you posted this bombshell:

The Great Reset did not originate with Qanon, nor is it a conspiracy. It is the brainchild of the World Economic Forum, and open discussion and advertisement of a plan is not a 'conspiracy theory'.

Are you now telling us that you use "advertisement of a PLAN" to describe prediction rather than aim?

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As I say, the WEF appears to be a platform for various thinkers. Different thoughts will resonate with different people. Metaphor asked why I quoted a concern about "Unfettered majoritarianism." I think it is clear to most of us that the electorates in the U.K. and in the U.S. each made stupid mistakes in 2016 elections. The rise of Stupidism is a relatively new phenomenon. During the Rational Era, democracy was "fettered" by conscientious news media and opinion-makers' belief in science. Infidels who read my opinions regularly will know that I think the fabrics of society and democracy have been severely jolted, with social media helping to advance the agenda of malicious players like QOPAnon.


ETA: Metaphor also claimed confusion about the term "QOPAnon." When the AFL and CIO merged, they beame the AFL-CIO. The GOP and QAnon have effectively merged, so I describe them with a portmanteau.

 

[Metaphor]

I don´t know if the people behind this video are genuine or not.
But what they describe is similar to how World Economic Forum want their "Great Reset". There are some lunatics out there telling you that this reset is just a "conpiracy theory" even though everything is on WEF´s website.
My spiritual contact tells me the vaxx lead to AIDS so those people may not be able to fight anyway.

I think there is no doubt that jdf5 is a fervent believer in some elite agenda: That there is a conspiracy to impose some "Great Reset." I don't keep track of all the variations of "Illuminati" or "New World Order", but lately killing or control by vaccinations — with Bill Gates the major perpetrator — is a major theme. OP swallows this theory in spades.

A "Great Reset" MIGHT be coming and it would behoove to understand it. The WEF appears to have gathered some smart visionaries who MAY provide useful insights. We might learn much from reviewing the various (often contradictory) predictions that the various WEF prognosticators make.

From the article you linked to:

We asked experts from our Global Future Councils for their take on the world in 2030, and these are the results, from the death of shopping to the resurgence of the nation state.

You appear to equate "prediction" with "aim".

Where do you allege I've done that? Please quote me.

Okay. First, I stipulate that the the first 2 or 3 Metaphor posts in this thread were just jokes about watches. Then you showed an opinion:

The Great Reset did not originate with Qanon, nor is it a conspiracy. It is the brainchild of the World Economic Forum, and open discussion and advertisement of a plan is not a 'conspiracy theory'.

Are you now telling us that you use "advertisement of a PLAN" to describe prediction rather than aim?

No. I'm talking about WEF's stated mission, and its various projects.

Agenda

The stories shaping the Global, Regional and Industry agendas

www.weforum.org

There appears to be confusion (not on my part) that I said the WEF wanted and planned to make ownership of nothing a goal by 2030. I didn't say it.

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As I say, the WEF appears to be a platform for various thinkers. Different thoughts will resonate with different people. Metaphor asked why I quoted a concern about "Unfettered majoritarianism." I think it is clear to most of us that the electorates in the U.K. and in the U.S. each made stupid mistakes in 2016 elections.

Oh. By 'most of us', who do you mean? Do you mean the people who think like you already on a left-leaning board?

Perhaps you believe the exact opposite of Prince Harry. Not that democracy is under attack but we have too much of it.

 

[Swammerdami]

Oh. By 'most of us', who do you mean? Do you mean the people who think like you already on a left-leaning board?

I disclaim the notion that other Infidels "think like me"; and I feel many of them will want the complementary disclaimer.

However ... Sure! By "most of us" I meant "most Infidels," although it applies to rational thinkers more generally.

If you want to brag that it does NOT apply to "most voters" in Anglophone countries, and that Stupidism is becoming dominant, have at it!


By the way, your denial that "advertisement of a plan" was the asked-for claim is laughable.

 

[Metaphor]

Oh. By 'most of us', who do you mean? Do you mean the people who think like you already on a left-leaning board?

I disclaim the notion that other Infidels "think like me"; and I feel many of them will want the complementary disclaimer.

However ... Sure! By "most of us" I meant "most Infidels," although it applies to rational thinkers more generally.

If you want to brag that it does NOT apply to "most voters" in Anglophone countries, and that Stupidism is becoming dominant, have at it!

No, I am not making the claim that most voters disagree with you and therefore that disagreement marks their stupidity.

By the way, your denial that "advertisement of a plan" was the asked-for claim is laughable.

I don't understand your sentence. The "advertisement of a plan" is the Great Reset, which, as I said, is openly advertised on the WEF's website:

The Great Reset

There is an urgent need for global stakeholders to cooperate in simultaneously managing the direct consequences of the COVID-19 crisis. To improve the state of the world, the World Economic Forum is starting The Great Reset initiative.

www.weforum.org

I wrote:

The Great Reset did not originate with Qanon, nor is it a conspiracy. It is the brainchild of the World Economic Forum, and open discussion and advertisement of a plan is not a 'conspiracy theory'.

You appear to believe, somehow still believe, I said or implied that 'you will own nothing and be happy' was a plan and not a prediction. I did not say it and I don't believe it.

You quoted me where I talked about The Great Reset being openly advertised. It is.

 

[Metaphor]

ETA: Metaphor also claimed confusion about the term "QOPAnon." When the AFL and CIO merged, they beame the AFL-CIO. The GOP and QAnon have effectively merged, so I describe them with a portmanteau.

They have not 'merged'. Even if everyone in QAnon voted Republican, not every Republican is a member of QAnon or believes it, nor most Republicans. Most Republicans have probably not even heard of it.

Support for QAnon is hard to measure – and polls may overestimate it

How many Americans really have lost touch with reality?

theconversation.com

 

[scombrid]

Most Republicans now believe many of the unfounded conspiracy theories even if they are unaware of QAnon. Global Warming is a hoax perpetrated by the NWO/Democrat party. The election was stolen by the globalists. ETC... Democrats are trying to disarm the population so that it will be easily subjugated by the globalist elite. The Republican leadership has refused to correct or contradict any of these "theories" because it is helpful to them to get the votes. They don't care if their ranks in the legislature are filled with Margie Green, Hershel Walker, Loren Boebert, Dr. Oz, or the executive is Trump as long as those clowns follow the ALEC script for legislation and judicial appointments. If I am wrong them maybe McConnell can speak up about "The Big Lie" and such instead of the GOP running cover for these clowns while their nonsense distracts the public from what the GOP is really up to.

 

[steve_bank]

Would Donald Trump qualify as a global elite who is trying to take over the country?

 

[Swammerdami]

ETA: Metaphor also claimed confusion about the term "QOPAnon." When the AFL and CIO merged, they beame the AFL-CIO. The GOP and QAnon have effectively merged, so I describe them with a portmanteau.

They have not 'merged'. Even if everyone in QAnon voted Republican, not every Republican is a member of QAnon or believes it, nor most Republicans. Most Republicans have probably not even heard of it.

theconversation.com/support-for-qanon-is-hard-to-measure-and-polls-may-overestimate-it-156020

My comment was obviously sarcastic hyperbole. However . . .
I clicked your link and spent almost 8 seconds skimming the page you cite. This is what I found.

It’s hard to know how many people actually believe the key tenets of QAnon’s claims, including that devil-worshipping, cannibalistic pedophiles are somehow running the world.
. . . A September 2020 poll by the left-leaning Daily Kos and the online polling company Civiqs found that 56% of Republicans “believed” QAnon.

If I were in the Ilk and liked to misinterpret statistics and journalistic prose, I would conclude that only 44% of Republicans disagree with the claim that "devil-worshipping, cannibalistic pedophiles are running the world."

It's worse than I thought.

 

[Metaphor]

ETA: Metaphor also claimed confusion about the term "QOPAnon." When the AFL and CIO merged, they beame the AFL-CIO. The GOP and QAnon have effectively merged, so I describe them with a portmanteau.

They have not 'merged'. Even if everyone in QAnon voted Republican, not every Republican is a member of QAnon or believes it, nor most Republicans. Most Republicans have probably not even heard of it.

theconversation.com/support-for-qanon-is-hard-to-measure-and-polls-may-overestimate-it-156020

My comment was obviously sarcastic hyperbole. However . . .
I clicked your link and spent almost 8 seconds skimming the page you cite. This is what I found.

It’s hard to know how many people actually believe the key tenets of QAnon’s claims, including that devil-worshipping, cannibalistic pedophiles are somehow running the world.
. . . A September 2020 poll by the left-leaning Daily Kos and the online polling company Civiqs found that 56% of Republicans “believed” QAnon.

If I were in the Ilk and liked to misinterpret statistics and journalistic prose, I would conclude that only 44% of Republicans disagree with the claim that "devil-worshipping, cannibalistic pedophiles are running the world."

It's worse than I thought.

You already thought they were one and the same before. I struggle to think how this could be 'worse' in your mind.

 

[Swammerdami]

I've never been officially diagnosed by a psychiatrist with anything other than Anxiety Neurosis. However I score 19 out of 19 when self-administering the on-line test for Asperger's syndrome.

Because I think that I myself fit somewhere on the autism spectrum, I ask the following question with all sympathy and sincerity.

My comment was obviously sarcastic hyperbole.

You already thought they were one and the same before. I struggle to think how this could be 'worse' in your mind.

Have YOU ever been diagnosed with autism?

 

[Metaphor]

I've never been officially diagnosed by a psychiatrist with anything other than Anxiety Neurosis. However I score 19 out of 19 when self-administering the on-line test for Asperger's syndrome.

Because I think that I myself fit somewhere on the autism spectrum, I ask the following question with all sympathy and sincerity.

My comment was obviously sarcastic hyperbole.

You already thought they were one and the same before. I struggle to think how this could be 'worse' in your mind.

Have YOU ever been diagnosed with autism?

No. Whilst I doubt both your sympathy and sincerity in asking, what makes you suspect I am autistic?

 

[Swammerdami]

I've never been officially diagnosed by a psychiatrist with anything other than Anxiety Neurosis. However I score 19 out of 19 when self-administering the on-line test for Asperger's syndrome.

Because I think that I myself fit somewhere on the autism spectrum, I ask the following question with all sympathy and sincerity.

My comment was obviously sarcastic hyperbole.

You already thought they were one and the same before. I struggle to think how this could be 'worse' in your mind.

Have YOU ever been diagnosed with autism?

No. Whilst I doubt both your sympathy and sincerity in asking, what makes you suspect I am autistic?

We are a small group here in Infidels Political Discussions, and almost all of us have above average intelligence. I think everyone but you have long realized that my use of "QOPAnon" and the pretense that GOP and QAnon have merged, were intended as colorful hyperbole. I disapprove of many political positions of Liz Cheney, Mitt Romney and John Kasich, but I do NOT think they believe in Jewish space lasers, that Bill Gates plants nanobots in vaccines, nor that the Democrats are running a worldwide pedophile ring.

Did you truly not realize this? Y/N?

In the most recent exchange, I tried to help by explicitly noting that mine was "sarcastic hyperbole."

Did you read the note about "sarcastic hyperbole"? Y/N?

Did you understand it; were the English words familiar to you? Y/N?

If you answered "Y" to the last question, were you aware that this made your rejoinder a non sequitur? Y/N?

Based on this and previous exchanges, my impression is that you skim posts by those you disagree with looking only for pieces that you can argue against, even when sarcasm renders such a refutation to be silly. Similarly, you treat your own words selectively, insisting on a logic opposite to the side you would take in a nearly-identical conversation where the policies and posters were reversed.

Do you understand the previous paragraph? Y/N?

Is there truth in it? Y/N?

 

[Metaphor]

I've never been officially diagnosed by a psychiatrist with anything other than Anxiety Neurosis. However I score 19 out of 19 when self-administering the on-line test for Asperger's syndrome.

Because I think that I myself fit somewhere on the autism spectrum, I ask the following question with all sympathy and sincerity.

My comment was obviously sarcastic hyperbole.

You already thought they were one and the same before. I struggle to think how this could be 'worse' in your mind.

Have YOU ever been diagnosed with autism?

No. Whilst I doubt both your sympathy and sincerity in asking, what makes you suspect I am autistic?

We are a small group here in Infidels Political Discussions, and almost all of us have above average intelligence. I think everyone but you have long realized that my use of "QOPAnon" and the pretense that GOP and QAnon have merged, were intended as colorful hyperbole. I disapprove of many political positions of Liz Cheney, Mitt Romney and John Kasich, but I do NOT think they believe in Jewish space lasers, that Bill Gates plants nanobots in vaccines, nor that the Democrats are running a worldwide pedophile ring.

Ah, I see. So, you are justified in using "QOPAnon", as a pejorative dismissal of any Republican voter, not because it is meaningful, but because you can simply tar people with beliefs they do not hold.

Did you truly not realize this? Y/N?

I realise you meant it as pejorative attack on Republicans, sure.

In the most recent exchange, I tried to help by explicitly noting that mine was "sarcastic hyperbole."

Did you read the note about "sarcastic hyperbole"? Y/N?

Did you understand it; were the English words familiar to you? Y/N?

If you answered "Y" to the last question, were you aware that this made your rejoinder a non sequitur? Y/N?

I am not going to respond to your infantilising Y/N statements.

Based on this and previous exchanges, my impression is that you skim posts by those you disagree with looking only for pieces that you can argue against,

I read posts I disagree with, and where I disagree with something, I point it out. It would be astonishing that I would try to argue against parts that I do not object to.

even when sarcasm renders such a refutation to be silly. Similarly, you treat your own words selectively, insisting on a logic opposite to the side you would take in a nearly-identical conversation where the policies and posters were reversed.

Do you understand the previous paragraph? Y/N?

Is there truth in it? Y/N?

Here, I would say you were accusing me of being a hypocrite about your use of QOPAnon. I'm interested in you pointing out something specific where I have 'insisted on opposite logic'.

You never answered my question. Why would you ask if I'd been diagnosed with autism?