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I can't speak for "Jim", but clearly, there can be no better advertisement for the intellectual consistency of your armed anti-government movement than Reid Hendricks, former Marine (honorably discharged), former police officer, and former high school history teacher.
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~snort~
 
A mainstream source for the story, as once again, we wander into potential Poeville, where it is hard to tell satire from reality. Sadly,this isn't satire.

These people are true believers in insanity. They view Government as incompetent and evil, yet they want to run the new world order. Ironic.
 
Jimmy Higgins said:
A mainstream source for the story, as once again, we wander into potential Poeville, where it is hard to tell satire from reality. Sadly,this isn't satire.

These people are true believers in insanity. They view Government as incompetent and evil, yet they want to run the new world order. Ironic.
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I think they view government as evil in the same way as Leninist-Marxists view the goverment as evil; they do not have control of the government therefore it is evil.
 
ksen said:
http://gawker.com/nevada-militia-sets-up-armed-checkpoints-demands-to-se-1569203069

The letter also says militiamen have a presence on state and local roads as well as federal highways. In some areas, according to the letter, militiamen have set up checkpoints where drivers are stopped and asked to provide a proof of residency.
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Liberty now equals armed checkpoints . . . awesome.
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Eek! Responsible citizens with guns and I'll be driving through there soon. I'll have to check the State Department for travel warnings.

Damn. No listing for Nevada.

Perhaps if I can answer the five, no, three questions, they'll allow me to pass.
 
TV and credit cards said:
ksen said:
http://gawker.com/nevada-militia-sets-up-armed-checkpoints-demands-to-se-1569203069

The letter also says militiamen have a presence on state and local roads as well as federal highways. In some areas, according to the letter, militiamen have set up checkpoints where drivers are stopped and asked to provide a proof of residency.
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Liberty now equals armed checkpoints . . . awesome.
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Eek! Responsible citizens with guns and I'll be driving through there soon. I'll have to check the State Department for travel warnings.

Damn. No listing for Nevada.

Perhaps if I can answer the five, no, three questions, they'll allow me to pass.
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Cheat sheet for those that need it. Answers in italics.


  1. Finish the statement - Rush Limbaugh is... not conservative enough
  2. Your favorite soccer team is? Soccer is for commies.
  3. What is your favorite color? Trick question, answer is red, white, blue (don't say "and"!)
 
Bullmoose Too said:
I think they view government as evil in the same way as Leninist-Marxists view the goverment as evil; they do not have control of the government therefore it is evil.
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^^^THIS IS THE TRUE ROOTS OF CONSERVOLIBERTARIANISM^^^^^^

The majority of anti-government ideologues are not libertarian but rather extremist social conservatives and white racists (largely overlapping spheres) who only oppose the government because it is no longer a mechanism by which they can exert authoritarian oppression over others. The core defining value of social conservatism is authoritarianism and anti-liberty, and it it evident in their child-rearing, the type of schooling they advocate, the power structure of the social organizations they form and belong to including their religions, and of course in virtually every single political policy they advocate.

What they are against is individual rights, and thus the Fed which increasingly has done more to protect individual liberty from social oppression than other levels of government and especially than the non-state social organizations that conservatives utilize to exert coercion. Most positions lauded by their advocates as Libertarian with a capital "L" are actually anti-liberty in any real sense and just anti-Government power to protect people's liberty against local and non-governmental forms of oppression.
 
The thread title says that Libertarians are setting up checkpoints. The news article (if you can call it that) has in both the headline and the content that it is militia members setting up checkpoints.

Maybe I need new glasses, but it looks to me like a word was changed by the OP. There is a key word different between the article title and the thread title.
 
Libertarians are not so much social conservatives as they are imaginary reactionaries, they want to rollback society to the way things were to a time that only exists in their imaginations. A status quo that never existed.

All of the progress that man has made is because of his ability to communicate with each other and to organize into inter-supporting groups. There has been no discovery or advancement of man that wasn't a progression of the work of others using the resources of the society as a whole. And yet, demonstrating again their uncanny knack for being wrong about everything, libertarians feel that progress depends on the übermench working in isolation and that the collective only impedes progress. Zarathustra knows best. Who is John Galt?
 
I agree that that is the consensus opinion around here.

That still doesn't excuse the misleading thread title. The article clearly states "militia" while the thread title clearly claims that it states "libertarian."
 
The thread title makes a statement. There is no indication that that statement is a claim about the explicit content of the article in the OP; as long as the militia in the article describe themselves not only as militia, but also as libertarians, there is nothing misleading about it. Do you have evidence that they do not describe themselves in that way?


If I was a true scotsman, I would be getting mighty sick of the libertarians constant misappropriation of my logical fallacy. :D
 
I agree there's overlap between the two groups. Some libertarians are militia folk, and some militia folk are libertarians. I do not deny that.

I think it is dishonest in the extreme to use the two words interchangeably, and morally reprehensibly to defend people for using the two words interchangeably.
 
Jason Harvestdancer said:
I agree there's overlap between the two groups. Some libertarians are militia folk, and some militia folk are libertarians. I do not deny that.

I think it is dishonest in the extreme to use the two words interchangeably, and morally reprehensibly to defend people for using the two words interchangeably.
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Describing somebody who claims to be both a militia member and a libertarian using either word is not the same as using the two words interchangeably.

If you dislike the fact that some libertarians are extremely embarrassing to libertarianism, perhaps due to their involvement with questionable militia actions, then that is a problem for libertarians to solve for themselves. Getting the irrits with people who point out the fact that these embarrassing militiamen are self-identifying as libertarians is pointless; ultimately your embarrassment isn't caused by people pointing and laughing, it is caused by your fellow libertarians giving them something to laugh at.
 
Earl IV said:
Time to send in the drones.
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Supposedly one group of militia nuts there believed a drone strike was coming, so they tried to move. The other nuts started calling them deserters and traitors. The first group complained the other was a bunch of hot-heads. More insults flying, one group banned from going to the ranch.

Anyone want to start a pool on when the situation resolves itself?

And no fair joining in a pool, and then going down there with an RC plane or toy drone!
 
marc said:
Supposedly one group of militia nuts there believed a drone strike was coming, so they tried to move. The other nuts started calling them deserters and traitors. The first group complained the other was a bunch of hot-heads. More insults flying, one group banned from going to the ranch.
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See, this is why we don't really need the state for law and order or defence. Freedom-loving citizens would band together in mutual agreement and invincible force, with lots of freedom checkpoints to defend our liberty from big gubmint.
 
ksen said:
Well, the modern militia movement seems to be composed of a lot of self-identifying libertarians so who am I to gainsay them?
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Yes, but if one considers oneself a libertarian and yet doesn't agree with these nut jobs then they are not, by definition (well, by personal definition), true libertarians. It reminds me of various christian sects who don't believe catholics are truly christian. It reminds me of that very, very much.:shrug:

Make up the rules and definitions based on the circumstances of the moment. Apparently that's what "normal" people do.
 
Hey, new fun on the cuckoo ranch, it seems that the various wacko groups can’t play nice together. One comes with a club name of Oath Keepers...
http://gawker.com/nevada-ranch-militias-turn-against-each-other-over-dron-1570140614
In this Waco-wacko Woodstock of woolly-bully mountain men, the irony and the insanity spiked last weekend when leaders of the most prominent militia group, the Oath Keepers, began complaining of armed madmen "in the camp running amok." They eventually pulled back from their positions, claiming they had received intelligence suggesting that the Obama administration's attack drones were incoming.
That "redeployment" pissed off other armed patriots who stayed behind in Nevada, who now call the Oath Keepers and their prominent leader, Stewart Rhodes, cowards and traitors who might actually be working for the U.S. government.
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Who are some of these people…
http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2012/...pers-is-last-line-of-defense-against-tyranny/
The Tea Party Nation, one of the more extreme factions of the Tea Party movement, has dipped deeper into the conspiratorial waters of antigovernment lore, most recently promoting the Oath Keepers and other antigovernment “Patriots” as the last line of defense for Americans increasingly confronted with “a government verging on evil.”
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Caruba is also the communications director for the anti-New World Order American Policy Center, so it’s no surprise that he would repurpose the Oath Keepers’ paranoid talking points. “The biggest question facing Americans is whether the members of our military and our law enforcement authorities would obey [Obama],” Caruba wrote. “My bet is that they would not.”
In a series of articles last year, Caruba lashed out at immigrants, Muslims, the LGBT community and, of course, Obama.
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Hum….sounds not to different, though a tad more radical, than my redneck, teabagging, Repug, Evangelical in-laws. One thing my in-laws really aren’t is libertarian. They are into big military and aggressive foreign policy, they are ant-immigrants, hate gays, like “tough on crime”, want God-laws like banning abortion, they have a ting of racism, they think the feds spend most of the budget aiding slackers.

Suggesting that this is libertarianism, is akin to saying the Earth Liberation Front is environmentalism. Yeah, most libertarians strongly defend gun rights. Yeah, there is cross over, so what? Some Democrats are Liberals, many Democrats have been supporting US war mongering in the ME, therefore Liberals support war mongering...yeah that works...
 
Man, some people get all bent out of shape when you identify libertarian whackos as libertarian whackos.
 
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