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http://www.theatlantic.com/national/archive/2015/01/to-entrap-an-innocent/384273/

According to the 10 News investigation, police officers used the following tactics:

  • "Sometimes, the officers would act as an interested adult with a teenage 'sister' who was also interested. Even though many of the men had no interest in the underage decoys, if they traveled to meet the adult, they were arrested as a 'sexual predator' and charged with 'traveling to meet a minor.'"

  • "In the case of a 27-year-old Cape Coral man ... deputies arrested him even though he didn't even travel to meet a child for sex. Law enforcement officers responded to the man's legal 'casual encounters' Craigslist ad, pretending to be a 14-year-old girl, even though the ad said, 'age for all women must be 18+ no one under email me plz.' The man repeatedly told the undercover detectives that he was 'not OK' with meeting up with an underage girl, but because he didn't immediately end the conversation, he was arrested for utilizing his phone to solicit a sexual act from a child. Detectives went to his house and arrested him as a sexual predator of children."

  • A 21-year-old "responded to a DateHookup.com ad posted of an 18-year-old woman. The officer ... started exchanging messages with the man when he asked her to a movie. The officer wrote, 'are you Ok with me being under 18?' The 21-year-old continued the conversation. Following more exchanged messages and texts, the detective later added that 'she' was about to turn 16, the age of consent in Florida. As the two continued to swap texts, the man said 'I don't want to have sex, is that OK?' But the detective, who repeatedly rejected the man's interest in a possible relationship, kept pushing sex and threatened to call off their meeting. When the man finally indicated he would have sex, police had enough to charge him ... "

In those cases and others like them, "detectives weren't posting ads of children, but ads of adults looking for other adults. They would then later introduce a child to the conversation." Detectives were also "reaching out to law-abiding men posting law-abiding ads on legal dating sites," as well as Facebook and Twitter, "seeking other adults."
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The story goes on to note that even though the prosecutor often doesn't even file charges the police departments still go ahead with seizing the men's assets.

Is there any area where police departments aren't out of control?
 
AAARRRRGHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

This kind of bait-and-switch bullshit is used in all sorts of police sting operations, not just pedophile busts. Like the FBI setting up sting operations where they beg and cajole someone into "helping" with a political bombing, and then charge them with conspiracy to commit terrorism. Or cops who pose as drug dealers and talk buyers into purchasing a larger amount than they wanted, just so they can bust them for felony possession (with intent to sell) instead of misdemeanor possession.

These fuckers seem to have no interest in actually enforcing the law or catching actual criminals. All they want is to pad their resumes. Like traffic cops trying to make their quota by pulling over older cars and looking for the tiniest infraction - 'your rearview mirror has a crack in it' kind of bullshit.

Don't they realize how much damage they are doing to their profession? Do they not see how much ammunition they provide to pedophilia-deniers?

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The real problem seem to be the federal government incentives and asset forfeiture laws which give police a vested interest to do these kinds of things. The hysteria over teenage sexuality contributes to it as well, as the society would not tolerate such abuses of power for crimes that do not carry that much stigma.
Where is ACLU on all this? Should be right up their wheelhouse and it is certainly more important than grand jurors who want to spill the beans.
 
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I agree with both. The asset forfeiture and the wasting time baiting non-criminals.
 
Geez. People are against this and happy that the NYPD isn't unecessarily arresting people anymore.

If you guys had things your way, we'd end up with nobody at all getting arrested except for actual criminals. Is that the kind of society you want?
 
Tom Sawyer said:
Geez. People are against this and happy that the NYPD isn't unecessarily arresting people anymore.

If you guys had things your way, we'd end up with nobody at all getting arrested except for actual criminals. Is that the kind of society you want?
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If breaking laws was illegal, only criminals would be arrested! :angryfist:
 
What are you talking about? It's marvelous here:
http://www.kare11.com/story/weather...o-unnecessary-travel-in-southern-mn/21351881/
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Note these are not real time photos. We are currently in a white out.
 
TV and credit cards said:
Seems to me, asset forfeiture was based on a fair assumption of ill-gotten gains usually from drug money. How it got justified into what it is today is a mystery to me.
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It was initially created to essentially 'arrest' cars, boats, planes used in drug deals where there wasn't sufficient evidence to convict the actual dealer.
The car, boat or plane doesn't have any legal rights, so there was no guarntee of a speedy trial. Or any trial, really. So the dealer was punished, even if aquitted by those stupid, liberal judges or retarded juries that didn't understand an officer's gut feeling that a villain was villainous.
A Congressman was quoted as saying 'it's a great way to get around the constitutipnal problem.'
 
Derec said:
The real problem seem to be the federal government incentives and asset forfeiture laws which give police a vested interest to do these kinds of things. The hysteria over teenage sexuality contributes to it as well, as the society would not tolerate such abuses of power for crimes that do not carry that much stigma.
Where is ACLU on all this? Should be right up their wheelhouse and it is certainly more important than grand jurors who want to spill the beans.
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It's not just about money, but about making their stats look good.

I've heard of this sort of problem with bait cars, also--they drop a bait car in a position that it's a problem, sometimes a good samaritan moves it out of the way--and gets busted.
 
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