My Vision Of Gun Control In The USA

[ZiprHead]

To start, a buy back program for all AR/AK style weapons with a total ban that begins two years after the buy back program is started. You can keep your AR/AK if the weapon has been permanently disabled from firing as certified by a registered gunsmith. Certified safe gun ranges can also keep AR/AK style weapons for rental/sport shooting at the range only and must never leave the range itself.

Hunting weapons such as shotguns/rifles are fine. No semi-autos. But you are not allowed to remove them from your property without being in a proper storage containment with a lock for transport to a gun range, state/federal hunting grounds or neighbor's/friends hunting grounds. The same for pistols. They all must be kept in locked storage in the homewhen not in use. Registered police/security personnel are exempt from this during their working hours.

All guns must be registered. All transfers/purchases must be approved by background check.

Heavy penalties of at least six months in jail and revocation of all gun rights for violations. Far more jail time for further violations.

Thoughts?

Your ideas?

 

[Gospel]

 

[ZiprHead]

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Is he getting a BJ like in Police Academy?

 

[Patooka]

I would force the CDC to spend at least 2% of its annual budget on studies involving firearm related deaths
I would allow the ATF to have the same data collecting abilities as the DMV.

 

[ZiprHead]

I would force the CDC to spend at least 2% of its annual budget on studies involving firearm related deaths
I would allow the ATF to have the same data collecting abilities as the DMV.

I seem to remember there was legislation just put forward to allow exactly that.

 

[robnisch]

Second Amendment Does Not Guarantee the Right To Own a Gun (From Gun Control, P 99-102, 1992, Charles P Cozic, ed. -- See NCJ-160164) | Office of Justice Programs

www.ojp.gov

Liberal judge?

 

[Loren Pechtel]

Hunting weapons such as shotguns/rifles are fine. No semi-autos. But you are not allowed to remove them from your property without being in a proper storage containment with a lock for transport to a gun range, state/federal hunting grounds or neighbor's/friends hunting grounds. The same for pistols. They all must be kept in locked storage in the homewhen not in use. Registered police/security personnel are exempt from this during their working hours.

AFIAK all reasonably modern pistols are either semi-auto or revolver and for the purpose of rate of fire they're basically identical as the weapons cycle faster than the human can bring the gun back on target. Thus your laws are contradictory.

All guns must be registered. All transfers/purchases must be approved by background check.

The devil is in the details. What constitutes a "transfer"? That's what drove local support from 90% (polling about background checks) to 50% (how the measure fared at the ballot box.) They had too broad a definition of transfer and no concept of community property other than in marriage.

Which is also why I prefer to avoid the whole problem by taking a license approach instead--checking if the recipient is licensed is trivial and thus requiring a check on a very wide variety of transfers does not cause an unreasonable burden.

 

[barbos]

I would start with outright ban on media coverage of mass shootings. Social Media included.

 

[robnisch]

I would start with outright ban on media coverage of mass shootings. Social Media included.

How CCCP of you.

 

[barbos]

I would start with outright ban on media coverage of mass shootings. Social Media included.

How CCCP of you.

Yeah, and danger of tobacco smoking is so nazi.
Mass shooting in US and subsequent media coverage is nothing but an entertainment.
It sells, and it propagates as a result.

 

[thebeave]

To start, a buy back program for all AR/AK style weapons with a total ban that begins two years after the buy back program is started. You can keep your AR/AK if the weapon has been permanently disabled from firing as certified by a registered gunsmith. Certified safe gun ranges can also keep AR/AK style weapons for rental/sport shooting at the range only and must never leave the range itself.

Hunting weapons such as shotguns/rifles are fine. No semi-autos. But you are not allowed to remove them from your property without being in a proper storage containment with a lock for transport to a gun range, state/federal hunting grounds or neighbor's/friends hunting grounds. The same for pistols. They all must be kept in locked storage in the homewhen not in use. Registered police/security personnel are exempt from this during their working hours.

All guns must be registered. All transfers/purchases must be approved by background check.

Heavy penalties of at least six months in jail and revocation of all gun rights for violations. Far more jail time for further violations.

Thoughts?

Your ideas?

Sounds good. You've covered law abiding citizens, now do criminals.

 

[Jarhyn]

To start, a buy back program for all AR/AK style weapons with a total ban that begins two years after the buy back program is started. You can keep your AR/AK if the weapon has been permanently disabled from firing as certified by a registered gunsmith. Certified safe gun ranges can also keep AR/AK style weapons for rental/sport shooting at the range only and must never leave the range itself.

Hunting weapons such as shotguns/rifles are fine. No semi-autos. But you are not allowed to remove them from your property without being in a proper storage containment with a lock for transport to a gun range, state/federal hunting grounds or neighbor's/friends hunting grounds. The same for pistols. They all must be kept in locked storage in the homewhen not in use. Registered police/security personnel are exempt from this during their working hours.

All guns must be registered. All transfers/purchases must be approved by background check.

Heavy penalties of at least six months in jail and revocation of all gun rights for violations. Far more jail time for further violations.

Thoughts?

Your ideas?

Sounds good. You've covered law abiding citizens, now do criminals.

He already did, as every gun is bought by law abiding citizens before it is held by a criminal. In this paradigm, not being able to account for a gun, or even irresponsibly holding it such that it is stolen (short of crazy things like "they stole my guns by cutting the walls off my house to which it was bolted"), become criminals.

Once someone is a known criminal for irresponsible gun use, you do not let them buy more guns except from people in the act of breaking bad. The new criminals will be caught, because they will be asked where their gun is, specifically when the insurance company comes calling and they are brought up for insurance fraud or making fraudulent claims or failing to report a firearm as lost or stolen.

Knowledge of the inevitability and unavoidably of this prevents people from breaking bad as they have no plausible route to "I can get away with it".

Some people will still break bad, because they never think so far ahead as "getting away with it".

They will be caught.

People will see that you just don't "get away" with that.

Fewer people will do it.

Thus it does for criminals by giving people no good reason to become one.

Guns used for crimes have a short expiration date, and limited usefulness after that, and this creates a constant vacuum where criminals must either risk charges for past crimes attached to their guns, or acquire more from people breaking bad in detectable ways.

This is not negotiable for them.

 

[ZiprHead]

To start, a buy back program for all AR/AK style weapons with a total ban that begins two years after the buy back program is started. You can keep your AR/AK if the weapon has been permanently disabled from firing as certified by a registered gunsmith. Certified safe gun ranges can also keep AR/AK style weapons for rental/sport shooting at the range only and must never leave the range itself.

Hunting weapons such as shotguns/rifles are fine. No semi-autos. But you are not allowed to remove them from your property without being in a proper storage containment with a lock for transport to a gun range, state/federal hunting grounds or neighbor's/friends hunting grounds. The same for pistols. They all must be kept in locked storage in the homewhen not in use. Registered police/security personnel are exempt from this during their working hours.

All guns must be registered. All transfers/purchases must be approved by background check.

Heavy penalties of at least six months in jail and revocation of all gun rights for violations. Far more jail time for further violations.

Thoughts?

Your ideas?

Sounds good. You've covered law abiding citizens, now do criminals.

Already done.

Heavy penalties of at least six months in jail and revocation of all gun rights for violations. Far more jail time for further violations.

 

[thebeave]

To start, a buy back program for all AR/AK style weapons with a total ban that begins two years after the buy back program is started. You can keep your AR/AK if the weapon has been permanently disabled from firing as certified by a registered gunsmith. Certified safe gun ranges can also keep AR/AK style weapons for rental/sport shooting at the range only and must never leave the range itself.

Hunting weapons such as shotguns/rifles are fine. No semi-autos. But you are not allowed to remove them from your property without being in a proper storage containment with a lock for transport to a gun range, state/federal hunting grounds or neighbor's/friends hunting grounds. The same for pistols. They all must be kept in locked storage in the homewhen not in use. Registered police/security personnel are exempt from this during their working hours.

All guns must be registered. All transfers/purchases must be approved by background check.

Heavy penalties of at least six months in jail and revocation of all gun rights for violations. Far more jail time for further violations.

Thoughts?

Your ideas?

Sounds good. You've covered law abiding citizens, now do criminals.

Already done.

Heavy penalties of at least six months in jail and revocation of all gun rights for violations. Far more jail time for further violations.

So, criminals who routinely risk decades or even life in prison to commit armed robbery, rape and/or murder (often with unregistered and untraceable guns) will suddenly find Jesus and comply with gun laws that will give them six months in jail?

 

[ZiprHead]

This will make it much harder for them to get weapons in the first place and will discourage some from trying to. You're trying to make perfect the enemy of the good.

 

[bigfield]

The devil is in the details. What constitutes a "transfer"? That's what drove local support from 90% (polling about background checks) to 50% (how the measure fared at the ballot box.) They had too broad a definition of transfer and no concept of community property other than in marriage.

Which is also why I prefer to avoid the whole problem by taking a license approach instead--checking if the recipient is licensed is trivial and thus requiring a check on a very wide variety of transfers does not cause an unreasonable burden.

Licencing is more practical than repeated background checks, but every gun still needs to be registered by the new owner upon transfer.

Getting a licence should also take at least six months and require a better reason than "I just want to have a gun".

 

[Jarhyn]

The devil is in the details. What constitutes a "transfer"? That's what drove local support from 90% (polling about background checks) to 50% (how the measure fared at the ballot box.) They had too broad a definition of transfer and no concept of community property other than in marriage.

Which is also why I prefer to avoid the whole problem by taking a license approach instead--checking if the recipient is licensed is trivial and thus requiring a check on a very wide variety of transfers does not cause an unreasonable burden.

Licencing is more practical than repeated background checks, but every gun still needs to be registered by the new owner upon transfer.

Getting a licence should also take at least six months and require a better reason than "I just want to have a gun".

I don't think ownership requires a better reason than that. The quality of a reason is directly proportional to propensity to abuse that purpose.

If someone who has a recent rap sheet for armed assault says "I just want to have this heavy, weighted stick", that's an insufficient reason even to have a heavy, weighted stick.

If someone who has no such history gives this reason, then it IS sufficient.

The quality of faith depends on the demonstrated need for oversight on the individual.

The problem with "guns in public" is that humans have universally established "everyone" as too liable for violence to allow that reason for that thing in that place.

It is like trying to justify storing strong acids and bases in the same cabinet. It's never gonna happen..

 

[steve_bank]

Disarming America is not possible. Any perceived attempt to do so would likely result in a violent response.

Here in Wa the governor is always bringing up assault weapons, yet the rising gun violence is primarily with hand guns. Apparent random drive by shootings on the road are growing.

Armed teens attacking businesses.

Hand guns even semiautomatic pistols are easy to make in a basement or garage.

On the issue of gun control and more more regulation I think conservatives are right,it is not going to imoact the overall problem.

 

[Jarhyn]

Disarming America is not possible. Any perceived attempt to do so would likely result in a violent response.

Here in Wa the governor is always bringing up assault weapons, yet the rising gun violence is primarily with hand guns. Apparent random drive by shootings on the road are growing.

Armed teens attacking businesses.

Hand guns even semiautomatic pistols are easy to make in a basement or garage.

On the issue of gun control and more more regulation I think conservatives are right,it is not going to imoact the overall problem.

That's why you don't try to subtract guns or even the right to have them. You don't disarm. You just cease allowing rearmament, and disarm specifically those people who commit gun crimes, because they as individuals have proven that they are not responsible enough to have them.

There doesn't need to be much more to result in the reduction of arms. There doesn't even need to be much more penalties either.

Just, if you prove you can't be trusted, you lose guns for a while.

And the fact is, I don't actually believe in permanent consequences beyond the memory of failure and having experienced the suck of it. If someone can go back through and prove that they know how to be responsible with a weapon, and we trust them, and they do it again... Double how long it takes to try again. They'll probably be dead by then, anyway.

As to the guns themselves, contrary to popular belief criminally used guns have an expiration date.

We don't need to take them away because the traceable connections between crimes committed with the same gun increase risk, exponentially so, for continuing to use it.

History can start to be pieced together from multiple points on the same line, multiple crimes with the same gun.

Guns used in crimes, by criminals, exhaust that supply of clean guns.

If the mobility of guns from "clean markers" to black ones is impeded, and it can be just by getting serious about gun owners securing their guns or being found with a crime that loses them all guns and future legal access to them for a very long time, then the "gun bubble" would start to deflate, and along with it any justification for paranoid gun ownership.

 

[RVonse]

Hand guns even semiautomatic pistols are easy to make in a basement or garage.

This. Even without a modern printer, who could not afford to buy a lathe and/or metal working mill?

Ziphead take notice all your do gooding laws which will not affect criminals in the least. And at best, might cause inconvenience for a shooter crazy in the head.

But at worst, guaranteed to increase government and reduce freedom for everyone else.