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So what is democratic confederalism? Öcalan calls it “a non-state political administration” or a “democracy without a state.” Instead of centralizing political power in a government, confederalism views society holistically, as an association of associations of intrinsically social people. It aspires to flatten the divisions the state places between public, productive and domestic life, linking together sewing cooperatives, neighborhood communes, refugee assistance groups, schools and self-defense forces in a common framework. The higher levels of organization exist to facilitate the grassroots, and decisions flow from the bottom to the top. It’s designed to work without, beneath, between and against nation-states, depending on the situation. Like the Islamic State, democratic confederalism does not recognize borders except as obstacles to overcome. “It is flexible, multi-cultural, anti-monopolistic, and consensus-oriented,” Öcalan writes. “Ecology and feminism are central pillars.”

This sounds like the hippie rhetoric of an Occupy Wall Street press release, not the ideological program of an armed group holding territory in wartorn northern Syria. Many of us think of the Middle East as one of the most repressive and authoritarian regions, and what’s happening here is the polar opposite. Stereotypes about the Middle East being nationalist, even xenophobic, have left Americans unprepared to hear about an inclusive, egalitarian platform from someone named “Abdullah.”
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Horatio Parker said:
Nice Squirrel said:
Beware of idealists bearing visions of Utopia.
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I'm reminded of a quote from Alan Moorehead's The Fatal Shore, "they won't stop until you are as unhappy as they are".
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Are you doing something that is making them unhappy? If you are, then you can expect your Moorehead quote in spades. One thing we overlook is that we can make people mighty unhappy...even dead...just by paying our taxes.
 
arkirk said:
Horatio Parker said:
I'm reminded of a quote from Alan Moorehead's The Fatal Shore, "they won't stop until you are as unhappy as they are".
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Are you doing something that is making them unhappy? If you are, then you can expect your Moorehead quote in spades. One thing we overlook is that we can make people mighty unhappy...even dead...just by paying our taxes.
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I'm not doing anything against them that I'm aware of...

I would say I'm trying to do something for them, I'm trying to make people aware. Granted, that might not be obvious under the layers of irony, but, as I said up thread, I wish them well.
 
arkirk said:
Horatio Parker said:
I'm reminded of a quote from Alan Moorehead's The Fatal Shore, "they won't stop until you are as unhappy as they are".
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Are you doing something that is making them unhappy?
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I don't think that's a necessary component for the statement to be accurate.
I think the vast majority of such idealists are unlikely to effect changes in society as it stands.
They're far more likely to top out when they convince you that you are dissatisfied with society.
 
Keith&Co. said:
arkirk said:
Are you doing something that is making them unhappy?
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I don't think that's a necessary component for the statement to be accurate.
I think the vast majority of such idealists are unlikely to effect changes in society as it stands.
They're far more likely to top out when they convince you that you are dissatisfied with society.
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What I was referring to was the way the rest of the world is freezing them out. IOW the PTB dont want them to succeed. Then, when they've killed it, they can claim that it wasn't working.
 
Some people confuse simply trying to make the world better with visions of utopia.
 
Harry_Bosch said:
untermensche said:
Some people confuse simply trying to make the world better with visions of utopia.
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The Utopias don't have a very good track record! They tend to let the power get to their heads.
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Who in history was more mad with power than current day US corporate bankers?

They can degrade the entire world economy with malfeasance and they are rewarded immensely for it.
 
I fail to see how some nonsensical idea that seems to work for a single village in a civil-war torn country makes any difference. Try it in peacetime, scale it up to at least a province or a small country, and then report back
 
The Utopians appear to be more effective against ISIS than the beacon of capitalism. What gives?

The reward will be political isolation, I'm sure.

Kurdish fighters in Syria near victory in battle with Islamic State


The military watched with surprise as Islamic State continued sending hundreds of fighters, vehicles and weapons to Kobani, which was of no critical strategic importance to the overall fight but had become something of a public relations fight.

"Essentially, they said, 'This is where we are going to make a stand' and flooded the region with fighters," said Col. Edward Sholtis, a spokesman for U.S. Air Force Central Command, in charge of air operations in the battle against the Islamic State.

Kobani, a one-time railroad terminus little known outside the region, emerged as a global rallying cry for all sides in a conflict pitting the U.S. and its allies against Islamic State. Last October, Islamic State forces appeared on the verge of overrunning the town, adding to their roster of victories.

On Monday, however, various activists indicated that Kurdish forces had recaptured virtually the entire town after four months of battle, often urban combat in debris-strewn streets and alleys where both sides deployed snipers.
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