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‘Tactical Retreat’ Policy Would Emphasize Safety In Police Interactions

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http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2015/01/27/3615428/tactical-retreat-in-st-louis/

The St. Louis Police Department is eyeing a new strategy to deescalate tension between an officer and a suspect before a scene turns violent. Dubbed, “tactical retreat,” law enforcement officials would remove themselves from a scene to reduce the need to use deadly force.

good so far

Moreover, many officers argue that implementing a tactical retreat policy actually undermines police efforts to uphold public safety, insofar as it paints them as the aggressors who need to be reformed.

uh, hey dickheads, you guys have painted yourselves as the aggressors that need to be reformed
 
Um, yeah. Letting criminals know we'll leave if you act belligerent is a great way to make communities safer.
 
Where does the policy say anything about leaving?

Oh yeah, it doesn't.
 
Where does the policy say anything about leaving?

Oh yeah, it doesn't.

You don't think a criminal will take advantage when the cops "remove themselves from a scene"? Hey, promise not go anywhere while I "retreat" and get back up. Pretty please?
 
It sounds like the George Castanza principle. Do the exact opposite of everything that you're doing now and the positive results should quicklly follow.
 
Where does the policy say anything about leaving?

Oh yeah, it doesn't.

You don't think a criminal will take advantage when the cops "remove themselves from a scene"? Hey, promise not go anywhere while I "retreat" and get back up. Pretty please?
You seem to be under the delusion that removing oneself from the immediate vicinity is equivalent to fleeing the area. According to you, a situation where the police have a suspect surrounded is the equivalent of allowing that suspect to escape.
 
You don't think a criminal will take advantage when the cops "remove themselves from a scene"? Hey, promise not go anywhere while I "retreat" and get back up. Pretty please?
You seem to be under the delusion that removing oneself from the immediate vicinity is equivalent to fleeing the area. According to you, a situation where the police have a suspect surrounded is the equivalent of allowing that suspect to escape.

You really think the suspect will just stay put when the police officer moves away?
 
man, if only there were some middle ground between immediately escalating the situation until you feel forced to shoot someone dead and fleeing miles away from the scene.
 
Before everyone starts digging in and attacking strawmen, we need this police dept's definition of "tactical retreat" I suspect its not pack up and go home like Trausti suggests.
 
You seem to be under the delusion that removing oneself from the immediate vicinity is equivalent to fleeing the area. According to you, a situation where the police have a suspect surrounded is the equivalent of allowing that suspect to escape.

You really think the suspect will just stay put when the police officer moves away?
I think it depends on what a tactical retreat means. Do you know that the St. Louis police mean by such a policy? If not, why on earth are you making such outlandishly silly assumptions?
 
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How is "remove themselves from a scene" not "leave"???

It depends on what the meaning of the word "is" is.

You could try reading the article.

John Firman, the Director of Development of the International Association of Chiefs of Police, disagrees with opponents of the deescalation method. “The only case you wouldn’t do that is if someone’s life is critically at risk at that time, for instance if the person is shooting at someone else,” he explained. “The real question is, ‘How soon do you need compliance’? If a person is mentally ill and they’re wandering around and screaming at people, they’re not going to apply. If I’m an autistic child and you say ‘stand up,’ I’m not going to comply. How quickly do you need compliance, how much do you need, and what are the threats to safety? A smart officer is going to assess all of that and do anything necessary to minimize potential that there’s going to be further damage.”
Firman pointed to two departments that successfully adopted their own versions of tactical retreat. San Francisco’s Chief of Police Greg Suhr instituted a similar policy in order to deescalate aggression between officers and mentally ill persons, whose interactions previously led to a substantial number of injuries. To reduce the possibility of a physical altercation, Suhr established a policy that allows officers to set up a perimeter around the mentally ill person in question and wait for assistance from mental health experts and a crisis intervention team. Prince George’s County also implemented the tactical hold.

Clearly, the officer remains on the scene.
 
It depends on what the meaning of the word "is" is.

You could try reading the article.

John Firman, the Director of Development of the International Association of Chiefs of Police, disagrees with opponents of the deescalation method. “The only case you wouldn’t do that is if someone’s life is critically at risk at that time, for instance if the person is shooting at someone else,” he explained. “The real question is, ‘How soon do you need compliance’? If a person is mentally ill and they’re wandering around and screaming at people, they’re not going to apply. If I’m an autistic child and you say ‘stand up,’ I’m not going to comply. How quickly do you need compliance, how much do you need, and what are the threats to safety? A smart officer is going to assess all of that and do anything necessary to minimize potential that there’s going to be further damage.”
Firman pointed to two departments that successfully adopted their own versions of tactical retreat. San Francisco’s Chief of Police Greg Suhr instituted a similar policy in order to deescalate aggression between officers and mentally ill persons, whose interactions previously led to a substantial number of injuries. To reduce the possibility of a physical altercation, Suhr established a policy that allows officers to set up a perimeter around the mentally ill person in question and wait for assistance from mental health experts and a crisis intervention team. Prince George’s County also implemented the tactical hold.

Clearly, the officer remains on the scene.

So "tactical retreat" for persons suspected of being mentally ill. Otherwise, no change. Okay with that.
 
John Firman, the Director of Development of the International Association of Chiefs of Police, disagrees with opponents of the deescalation method. “The only case you wouldn’t do that is if someone’s life is critically at risk at that time, for instance if the person is shooting at someone else, " he explained. “The real question is, ‘How soon do you need compliance’? If a person is mentally ill and they’re wandering around and screaming at people, they’re not going to apply. If I’m an autistic child and you say ‘stand up,’ I’m not going to comply. How quickly do you need compliance, how much do you need, and what are the threats to safety? A smart officer is going to assess all of that and do anything necessary to minimize potential that there’s going to be further damage.”
Firman pointed to two departments that successfully adopted their own versions of tactical retreat. San Francisco’s Chief of Police Greg Suhr instituted a similar policy in order to deescalate aggression between officers and mentally ill persons, whose interactions previously led to a substantial number of injuries. To reduce the possibility of a physical altercation, Suhr established a policy that allows officers to set up a perimeter around the mentally ill person in question and wait for assistance from mental health experts and a crisis intervention team. Prince George’s County also implemented the tactical hold.
Clearly, the officer remains on the scene.

So "tactical retreat" for persons suspected of being mentally ill. Otherwise, no change. Okay with that.

Not quite. Try again.
 
You seem to be under the delusion that removing oneself from the immediate vicinity is equivalent to fleeing the area. According to you, a situation where the police have a suspect surrounded is the equivalent of allowing that suspect to escape.

You really think the suspect will just stay put when the police officer moves away?

No, he'll probably web-sling or teleport away and then roam around the neighborhood until he stumbles upon some lost white girl, at which point he will rape her senseless and email the video to the mayor.

That's what criminals do when you don't get them off the street, right?
 
You could try reading the article.

John Firman, the Director of Development of the International Association of Chiefs of Police, disagrees with opponents of the deescalation method. “The only case you wouldn’t do that is if someone’s life is critically at risk at that time, for instance if the person is shooting at someone else,” he explained. “The real question is, ‘How soon do you need compliance’? If a person is mentally ill and they’re wandering around and screaming at people, they’re not going to apply. If I’m an autistic child and you say ‘stand up,’ I’m not going to comply. How quickly do you need compliance, how much do you need, and what are the threats to safety? A smart officer is going to assess all of that and do anything necessary to minimize potential that there’s going to be further damage.”
Firman pointed to two departments that successfully adopted their own versions of tactical retreat. San Francisco’s Chief of Police Greg Suhr instituted a similar policy in order to deescalate aggression between officers and mentally ill persons, whose interactions previously led to a substantial number of injuries. To reduce the possibility of a physical altercation, Suhr established a policy that allows officers to set up a perimeter around the mentally ill person in question and wait for assistance from mental health experts and a crisis intervention team. Prince George’s County also implemented the tactical hold.

Clearly, the officer remains on the scene.

So "tactical retreat" for persons suspected of being mentally ill. Otherwise, no change. Okay with that.

It also means that officers can and should avoid escalation of force if a person is behaving in a non-compliant way, especially if that person is not posing a thread to himself or others.

For example: You're called to the park to investigate a report of a kid with a gun. You see the kid sitting on the bench. Do you
a) Drive your car within three feet of the bench, pull out and open fire immediately
or
b) Observe the kid's behavior from a distance, approach him in a calm, non-confrontational way and say "Hey kid, we are here because someone called to report that someone in this park is carrying a gun. Do you have any toys or weapons on you? Can you help us figure this out?"

One of those options is a deliberate de-escalation of a potentially violent situation. And even if the kid becomes combative and says something like "I don't talk to pigs. Leave me alone," there are still a million non-combative steps between "He is not being immediately compliant" and "Draw your gun and force him to cooperate."
 
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