Son died fighting for ISIS, mom wants to fight propaganda

[Perspicuo]

Son died fighting for ISIS, mom wants to fight propaganda
http://edition.cnn.com/2015/02/19/world/canada-isis-fighter-mother/index.html

Ottawa (CNN)Christianne Boudreau's voice wavers slightly as she recounts how her little boy became an ISIS militant. Every word seems tinged with anger and regret, but most of all, purpose.

The process of radicalization is gradual and persuasive, she said. And deadly. Her son, who joined ISIS's ranks in Syria, was killed in fighting there more than a year ago.

"It's so easy for them to get to our children, to access our children," she said.

Boudreau's son, Damian Clairmont, converted to Islam after a troubling period in high school in Calgary, Canada.

Poor woman.

Another reason why faith per se must not be celebrated as a value in and of itself. Even among religionists, other values must be celebrated on par with faith, such as love and compassion. Making faith the king of values is wrong in any context.

 

[dismal]

I don't think I can accept the assertion it's "easy for them to get to our children" if said child was raised as a Christian in the suburbs of Calgary.

 

[Blahface]

Son died fighting for ISIS, mom wants to fight propaganda
http://edition.cnn.com/2015/02/19/world/canada-isis-fighter-mother/index.html

Ottawa (CNN)Christianne Boudreau's voice wavers slightly as she recounts how her little boy became an ISIS militant. Every word seems tinged with anger and regret, but most of all, purpose.

The process of radicalization is gradual and persuasive, she said. And deadly. Her son, who joined ISIS's ranks in Syria, was killed in fighting there more than a year ago.

"It's so easy for them to get to our children, to access our children," she said.

Boudreau's son, Damian Clairmont, converted to Islam after a troubling period in high school in Calgary, Canada.

Poor woman.

Another reason why faith per se must not be celebrated as a value in and of itself. Even among religionists, other values must be celebrated on par with faith, such as love and compassion. Making faith the king of values is wrong in any context.

I think the problem has more to do with tribalism and propaganda than actual religious faith. It still can't hurt to immunize kids from faith though.

 

[Warpoet]

I don't think I can accept the assertion it's "easy for them to get to our children" if said child was raised as a Christian in the suburbs of Calgary.

Yeah, I bet you can't, but that doesn't have any bearing on reality. He was raised Christian, and converted to Islam after he attempted suicide. Obviously not a stable individual, and while the mother's grief is understandable, there were clearly a lot of other factors at play here. So it probably isn't quite as easy for "them" to get to "our children" as it was in this instance.

 

[dismal]

I don't think I can accept the assertion it's "easy for them to get to our children" if said child was raised as a Christian in the suburbs of Calgary.

Yeah, I bet you can't, but that doesn't have any bearing on reality. He was raised Christian, and converted to Islam after he attempted suicide. Obviously not a stable individual, and while the mother's grief is understandable, there were clearly a lot of other factors at play here. So it probably isn't quite as easy for "them" to get to "our children" as it was in this instance.

Was it your intention to insult me as being unrealistic while apparently being in complete agreement with what I said?

 

[credoconsolans]

I don't think I can accept the assertion it's "easy for them to get to our children" if said child was raised as a Christian in the suburbs of Calgary.

I wasn't under the impression she meant the word "get" as in physically seizing someone.

I think she meant mentally and psychologically and if so, they're as close as the nearest internet connection.

 

[dismal]

I don't think I can accept the assertion it's "easy for them to get to our children" if said child was raised as a Christian in the suburbs of Calgary.

I wasn't under the impression she meant the word "get" as in physically seizing someone.

I think she meant mentally and psychologically and if so, they're as close as the nearest internet connection.

Yeah that wasn't my issue. My issue is with the idea that an internet connection makes it easy to turn a Christian kid from the suburbs of Calgary into a head chopping jihadi.

 

[Unbeatable]

I don't think I can accept the assertion it's "easy for them to get to our children" if said child was raised as a Christian in the suburbs of Calgary.

I don't think that when she uses the phrase "get to our children", she means "successfully complete the entire process of turning them into head-chopping Jihadis". I think she really does just mean that it's easy for them to start the first step in that process i.e. talking to them.

 

[Perspicuo]

It would be interesting to research what subset of Christian sects and/or upbringing are more prone to have their young ones recruited by ruthless apocalyptic cults.

 

[Jarhyn]

It would be interesting to research what subset of Christian sects and/or upbringing are more prone to have their young ones recruited by ruthless apocalyptic cults.

Just an observation of when I was a young christian in a nice home... Young Christians tend to be more romantic and carried away with all of the parts of the bible, particularly the ones where God lays down laws. It's not hard to get disillusioned by the church when you realize that nobody cares about the things that God says are important. Being then exposed to radical Islam, people who believe most of those same things but actually give a shit about it... It isn't hard to wonder if they aren't really a more correct religion after all. It all depends on the personality of the person in that white christian home in the burbs.

 

[T.G.G. Moogly]

What Boudreau learned is while youths can become radicalized online, there is nothing to counter it or to provoke questions about what they are being told.

I sympathize with her but this is just not accurate.

 

[credoconsolans]

I wasn't under the impression she meant the word "get" as in physically seizing someone.

I think she meant mentally and psychologically and if so, they're as close as the nearest internet connection.

Yeah that wasn't my issue. My issue is with the idea that an internet connection makes it easy to turn a Christian kid from the suburbs of Calgary into a head chopping jihadi.

Pat Robertson is a Christian. I can easily envision him approving of stoning people and chopping heads. You don't have to be a non-Christian to lean in the direction of such things.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

I don't think I can accept the assertion it's "easy for them to get to our children" if said child was raised as a Christian in the suburbs of Calgary.

I wasn't under the impression she meant the word "get" as in physically seizing someone.

I think she meant mentally and psychologically and if so, they're as close as the nearest internet connection.

Yeah. ISIS doesn't kidnap people to fight for it. She meant "get" in the psychological sense.

 

[Unbeatable]

It would be interesting to research what subset of Christian sects and/or upbringing are more prone to have their young ones recruited by ruthless apocalyptic cults.

I guess. Though personally, I lean more towards the school of thought that finds it more interesting to research what subset of Christian sects and/or upbringing are more prone to have their young ones grow up to perform anal sex on camera.