How should west respond to potential (likely) Russian invasion of Ukraine?

[barbos]

President Zelensky's minimum demands for peace are pretty clear to me: no more land to Russia, release of children kidnapped by Russian Nazis, and international security gurantees.

No more land? Do you mean he agreed with Donbas going back to Russia?
Seems to me you made up this shit yourself.
Last time I checked (few minutes ago) his demands were Russian capitulation, reparations, the usual stuff.

Considering the history of your posts in this thread, I'm shocked, absolutely shocked, that you don't have current accurate information?!

I think you are BSing, which is consistent with your history.

 

[barbos]

Also, unconfirmed reports say that ukrainian men in Ukrainian regions near Kursk are offered Green Cards for help in extracting NATO officers from Sudzha. Apparently there are about 30 NATO officers there.

 

[Axulus]

Thought this was relevant with barbos constant talk of Nazis. It describes him and his viewpoint to a T:

fascist ideas have come to Russia at a historical moment, three generations after the Second World War, when it’s impossible for Russians to think of themselves as fascist. The entire meaning of the war in Soviet education was as an anti-fascist struggle, where the Russians are on the side of the good and the fascists are the enemy.

So there’s this odd business, which I call in the book “schizo-fascism,” where people who are themselves unambiguously fascists refer to others as fascists. Which has an interesting consequence, that fascism becomes harder to talk about even as it becomes more important. Amidst all this bad faith, it is easy to say: well, the word is outdated, or it’s just a joke, because look how it’s tossed around. So the very fact that fascists call other people fascists is itself a kind of propaganda, which Jason Stanley calls “undermining propaganda,” which makes it hard for us to talk about fascism as an actual phenomenon.

Public Thinker: Timothy Snyder on Russia and “Dark Globalization” - Public Books

Timothy Snyder has taken a region that resists understanding and made it ...

www.publicbooks.org

 

[barbos]

Bullshit. Kiev regime itself may not be outright WW2 level nazi, but they are heavily relied on outright nazi elements in their societey. They choose to do it voluntarily.
They banned russian language and russian culture
They name streets after WW2 nazi jew murdering war criminals. Elensky and his western backers choose to do it to placate nazi part in exchange for their support.

 

[GenesisNemesis]

Kremlin: Putin tells Trump that US, allies must end military and intelligence assistance to Ukraine to halt hostilities

Kremlin: Putin tells Trump that US, allies must end military and intelligence assistance to Ukraine to halt hostilities.

www.yahoo.com

You can't convince me Trump isn't a Russian asset and his administration isn't directly helping Russia.

 

[crazyfingers]

Kremlin: Putin tells Trump that US, allies must end military and intelligence assistance to Ukraine to halt hostilities

Kremlin: Putin tells Trump that US, allies must end military and intelligence assistance to Ukraine to halt hostilities.

www.yahoo.com

You can't convince me Trump isn't a Russian asset and his administration isn't directly helping Russia.

Ya. lets leave Ukraine defenseless and then Putin will go away. Right....

 

[Harry Bosch]

Kremlin: Putin tells Trump that US, allies must end military and intelligence assistance to Ukraine to halt hostilities

Kremlin: Putin tells Trump that US, allies must end military and intelligence assistance to Ukraine to halt hostilities.

www.yahoo.com

You can't convince me Trump isn't a Russian asset and his administration isn't directly helping Russia.

Ya. lets leave Ukraine defenseless and then Putin will go away. Right....

Well, Putin’s goal is to conquer Ukraine, all of it.

 

[barbos]

Kremlin: Putin tells Trump that US, allies must end military and intelligence assistance to Ukraine to halt hostilities

Kremlin: Putin tells Trump that US, allies must end military and intelligence assistance to Ukraine to halt hostilities.

www.yahoo.com

You can't convince me Trump isn't a Russian asset and his administration isn't directly helping Russia.

Let me try, Trump and his (!!!) neocons see Ukraine as a lost cause and a distraction from the real problem - China.
Face it, military solution of Russia problem did not work, you are left with only one option - to negotiate.

 

[barbos]

Ya. lets leave Ukraine defenseless and then Putin will go away. Right....

Ukraine is Russia, you have absolutely no business of being there.

 

[ZiprHead]

Ya. lets leave Ukraine defenseless and then Putin will go away. Right....

Ukraine is Russia Ukraine, you Russians have absolutely no business of being there.

FTFY

 

[DrZoidberg]

Kremlin: Putin tells Trump that US, allies must end military and intelligence assistance to Ukraine to halt hostilities

Kremlin: Putin tells Trump that US, allies must end military and intelligence assistance to Ukraine to halt hostilities.

www.yahoo.com

You can't convince me Trump isn't a Russian asset and his administration isn't directly helping Russia.

Ya. lets leave Ukraine defenseless and then Putin will go away. Right....

Well, Putin’s goal is to conquer Ukraine, all of it.

Don't you think Putin is an opportunist? Basically just trying to snatch whatever he can get away with taking? He seems to be a carbon copy of Hitler or Musselini... or any fascist. Just continually probing and testing, to see what he can get

 

[crazyfingers]

Don't you think Putin is an opportunist? Basically just trying to snatch whatever he can get away with taking?

Like Trump. Two peas in a pod. Trump would be just like Putin if he had that power.

 

[Axulus]

Ukranian journalist that wrote stories for Radio Liberty and was tortured at a Russian prison for it for almost 3 years as a result. The same outlet being shuttered by the dismantling of VoA:

2+2=5

"America destroys one of its own symbols," by Stanislav Aseyev

open.substack.com

His reaction:

I once received an electric shock during torture only for writing for Radio Liberty: I was told that it was "a CIA structure and an enemy of Russia", and for that reason alone I was already guilty.
Now, the "enemy of Russia" is being destroyed by America itself, and my torture seems doubly in vain.

Sad and disgusting betrayal to all who fought and were either imprisoned or died for freedom

 

[barbos]

Ya. lets leave Ukraine defenseless and then Putin will go away. Right....

Ukraine is Russia, you have absolutely no business of being there.

FTFY

Fixed it back to where it should be.
You can have Galicia back, even though it's technically Russia as well. But I will be fine if your nazi have some place to exist.

 

[Harry Bosch]

Kremlin: Putin tells Trump that US, allies must end military and intelligence assistance to Ukraine to halt hostilities

Kremlin: Putin tells Trump that US, allies must end military and intelligence assistance to Ukraine to halt hostilities.

www.yahoo.com

You can't convince me Trump isn't a Russian asset and his administration isn't directly helping Russia.

Ya. lets leave Ukraine defenseless and then Putin will go away. Right....

Well, Putin’s goal is to conquer Ukraine, all of it.

Don't you think Putin is an opportunist? Basically just trying to snatch whatever he can get away with taking? He seems to be a carbon copy of Hitler or Musselini... or any fascist. Just continually probing and testing, to see what he can get

Absolutely. This has never been about nato expansion or the maiden revolution. Those excuses are for dummies. This war has always been about resources and land. And Putin will continue his imperialism until he is stopped.

 

[Harry Bosch]

Kremlin: Putin tells Trump that US, allies must end military and intelligence assistance to Ukraine to halt hostilities

Kremlin: Putin tells Trump that US, allies must end military and intelligence assistance to Ukraine to halt hostilities.

www.yahoo.com

You can't convince me Trump isn't a Russian asset and his administration isn't directly helping Russia.

Let me try, Trump and his (!!!) neocons see Ukraine as a lost cause and a distraction from the real problem - China.
Face it, military solution of Russia problem did not work, you are left with only one option - to negotiate.

Well they did negotiate. Putin declared no truce unless allies stop intelligence and arms support for Ukraine. So Russia would gain in strength while Ukraine would weaken. Then your side would invade again. The only way to stop Russian invasion is to make it too expensive to invade.

 

[ZiprHead]

Trump calls Zelenskyy 'dictator' as Ukraine leader slams him for 'disinformation'

Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy hit back at President Donald Trump's call for the country to hold fresh presidential elections after historic Russia-U.S. talks.

abcnews.go.com

This is not good.

Trump is such a lying asshole claiming that Ukraine started the war. Putin will control Trump.

What do you want Trump to say? That US started the war? Well, Rubio kinda said that.
And yes, Ukrainian regime (installed by US) started civil war in 2014.

The Russians started the war in 2014. Deal with it.

Nope, US started it.

US did not cross the Ukraine border. Russia did. You started the war. Stop bullshitting.

 

[ZiprHead]

Glen versus of panel of idiots:

I don't know anyone named Glenn.

 

[ZiprHead]

Going forward, if Ukraine cannot defend its civilian population from drone attacks, Zelensky will have to throw in the towel.

First of all, Russia does not attack civilian population. Second of all, you don't get the "economics" of this war.
Elensky and his goons on all levels are profiting from stealing money you send to them. And even if Elensky suddenly gets some kind of conscience , he would not be able to stop it, he would be terminated by the people who are making money.
These people know that they are getting out of Ukraine to Western Europe with tons of euros/dollars.

You oughta be ashamed of yourself.

No, you should be. Russian army unlike terrorist nazi regime you installed does not attack civilians. That's just a fact.

Tell that to the victim's relatives of the Bucha massacre,

 

[GenesisNemesis]

Going forward, if Ukraine cannot defend its civilian population from drone attacks, Zelensky will have to throw in the towel.

First of all, Russia does not attack civilian population. Second of all, you don't get the "economics" of this war.
Elensky and his goons on all levels are profiting from stealing money you send to them. And even if Elensky suddenly gets some kind of conscience , he would not be able to stop it, he would be terminated by the people who are making money.
These people know that they are getting out of Ukraine to Western Europe with tons of euros/dollars.

You oughta be ashamed of yourself.

No, you should be. Russian army unlike terrorist nazi regime you installed does not attack civilians. That's just a fact.

Tell that to the victim's relatives of the Bucha massacre,

"Bucha was regrettable, but blah blah blah blah blah blah blah. Blah blah blah blah blah" (etc)