One Year Later, Crimeans Prefer Russia

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Korsun massacre anniversary - what really pushed Crimea away from Ukraine

While the Ukrainian Euro-maidanites are celebrating the anniversary of the bloody coup, the supporters of Antimaidan begin to mark their own tragic dates. Exactly one year ago, on February 20, a bestial gang of Nazis from the "Right Sector" attacked a convoy of buses with Crimeans near Korsun, perpetrating a real slaughter and a massacre of the opponents of a nationalist coup.

Eight buses with Crimeans, who participated in Kiev in Antimaidan rallies, were returned home [after their opponents have won]. Near Korsun in Cherkasy oblast, the convoy was ambushed by the armed thugs from the Right Sector. As became known later, the Nazis were aware of the movement of the column and were expecting the Crimeans.

The captured buses were burned, their passengers were brutally tortured, beaten and humiliated. Several people were beaten to death and murdered.

 

[barbos]

I am sorry to disappoint you but General Muzenko did say that.

Even RT acknowledges that the quote is taken out of context:

I don't see any acknowledgement of any such thing. He did say what they said he said.

On Thursday, Muzhenko said “the Ukrainian army is not engaged in combat operations against Russian units.” He added, however, that he had information about Russian individuals fighting in the country’s east. He also said the Ukrainian army has everything it needs to drive off armed units in Donbass. His speech was aired by Ukraine's Channel 5 television, owned by President Petro Poroshenko.

Commenting on Muzhenko’s statement, Galushko said that reporters were only allowed at the open part of the meeting. He said that later, during the closed part, the chief of general staff said that Russian units are “in the second tier.”

Muzhenko himself did not elaborate on the initial statement.

Besides, it makes sense that Russia would not send its own regular troops to the front lines to get killed or captured, when they can use the locals for that. It's feasible that the Russian troops are mostly specialists and support.

There is no regular russian forces in Ukraine. If there were they would have been in Kiev already.

Not if that's not Russia's goal.

True, but then again, Poroshenko and other crazies have claimed on a number of occasions that they are fighting regular russian forces. The fact is, ukrainian army is in extremely bad shape, and this is the only reason they are losing to rebels. As for Poroshenko and his ilk, they are in bad position where they have to satisfy different factions, in other words politics as usual. Recently he tried to picture Debaltsevo debacle as defeat of Russia, that was pretty weird and random claim but if you take into account the fact that Poroshenko had to answer to pro-war/anti-russian factions then it becomes quite logical.

 

[Jayjay]

Korsun massacre anniversary - what really pushed Crimea away from Ukraine

Was it ever proven that this was perpetrated by right sector, and wasn't a Russian false-flag operation? Did anyone take responsibility?

Even if true, it seems that it's wildly exaggerated to serve the purposes of Putin's propaganda and to demonize Ukraine. Rememebr that the context is that anti-Maidan snipers had just killed dozens of protestors in Kiev.

EDITED TO ADD: Apparently there were 7 dead after all. My bad.

 

[barbos]

Korsun massacre anniversary - what really pushed Crimea away from Ukraine

Was it ever proven that this was perpetrated by right sector, and wasn't a Russian false-flag operation? Did anyone take responsibility?

Come on, everybody knows that Putin was shooting people in Odessa at the time. Putin is superhuman but he can't be in two places at the same time.

 

[Jayjay]

Was it ever proven that this was perpetrated by right sector, and wasn't a Russian false-flag operation? Did anyone take responsibility?

Come on, everybody knows that Putin was shooting people in Odessa at the time. Putin is superhuman but he can't be in two places at the same time.

I suppose not. Unless... Lech Walesa was right!

Seriously though, this incident probably is legit, and even beneath the propaganda spin it appears to be one of the key incidents that pushed Crimea to Russia. I was just applying the same reasoning that pro-Russian conspiracy theorists apply to the shootings in Maidan.

In other news, two people killed at a pro-government rally in Kharkiv, and separatist ceasefire violations persists near Mariupol. It doesn't look too good.

 

[SimpleDon]

And why should we trust this?

Gesellschaft für Konsumforschung, The Society for Consumer Research, is one of the largest marketing research firms in the world. And the results were certainly not what the people who paid for the research were expecting or what they wanted it to be. It was a phone survey of people in larger towns and cities. But more telling it is not a surprising result. It is basically a choice between peace and war for the people in the Crimea.

 

[Harry Bosch]

And why should we trust this?

Gesellschaft für Konsumforschung, The Society for Consumer Research, is one of the largest marketing research firms in the world. And the results were certainly not what the people who paid for the research were expecting or what they wanted it to be. It was a phone survey of people in larger towns and cities. But more telling it is not a surprising result. It is basically a choice between peace and war for the people in the Crimea.

Thanks for the reference. However, considering the history of shoddy citations from the Putin supporters, you understand why we question their references?

 

[Loren Pechtel]

Korsun massacre anniversary - what really pushed Crimea away from Ukraine

While the Ukrainian Euro-maidanites are celebrating the anniversary of the bloody coup, the supporters of Antimaidan begin to mark their own tragic dates. Exactly one year ago, on February 20, a bestial gang of Nazis from the "Right Sector" attacked a convoy of buses with Crimeans near Korsun, perpetrating a real slaughter and a massacre of the opponents of a nationalist coup.

Eight buses with Crimeans, who participated in Kiev in Antimaidan rallies, were returned home [after their opponents have won]. Near Korsun in Cherkasy oblast, the convoy was ambushed by the armed thugs from the Right Sector. As became known later, the Nazis were aware of the movement of the column and were expecting the Crimeans.

The captured buses were burned, their passengers were brutally tortured, beaten and humiliated. Several people were beaten to death and murdered.

And there's some reason to think this wasn't a false-flag operation??

 

[GenesisNemesis]

Korsun massacre anniversary - what really pushed Crimea away from Ukraine

And there's some reason to think this wasn't a false-flag operation??

Loren, do you have evidence it was a false-flag operation? Do you even understand the concept of evidence?

 

[Loren Pechtel]

And there's some reason to think this wasn't a false-flag operation??

Loren, do you have evidence it was a false-flag operation? Do you even understand the concept of evidence?

It makes a lot more sense as a false flag.

 

[barbos]

Loren, do you have evidence it was a false-flag operation? Do you even understand the concept of evidence?

It makes a lot more sense as a false flag.

To you maybe.

 

[Jayjay]

Loren, do you have evidence it was a false-flag operation? Do you even understand the concept of evidence?

It makes a lot more sense as a false flag.

Only if you haven't got the foggiest idea what's going on in Ukraine. Russian propaganda aside, there are far-right paramilitary groups who are perfectly capable of doing things like this. Plus you have to consider that these weren't random tourists, they were pro-Russian protestors so they had a motive. Plus the method is not consistent with anything Russia has done so far.

 

[GenesisNemesis]

Loren, do you have evidence it was a false-flag operation? Do you even understand the concept of evidence?

It makes a lot more sense as a false flag.

That is not what evidence consists of.

 

[Axulus]

Loren, do you have evidence it was a false-flag operation? Do you even understand the concept of evidence?

It makes a lot more sense as a false flag.

And 9-11 makes a lot of sense as an inside job to some.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

It makes a lot more sense as a false flag.

Only if you haven't got the foggiest idea what's going on in Ukraine. Russian propaganda aside, there are far-right paramilitary groups who are perfectly capable of doing things like this. Plus you have to consider that these weren't random tourists, they were pro-Russian protestors so they had a motive. Plus the method is not consistent with anything Russia has done so far.

Look who benefits. Russia, not Ukraine.

The first suspect should always be the one that gained the most.

Furthermore, it's an isolated incident--a strong indication that things aren't as they seem.

 

[Jayjay]

Only if you haven't got the foggiest idea what's going on in Ukraine. Russian propaganda aside, there are far-right paramilitary groups who are perfectly capable of doing things like this. Plus you have to consider that these weren't random tourists, they were pro-Russian protestors so they had a motive. Plus the method is not consistent with anything Russia has done so far.

Look who benefits. Russia, not Ukraine.

The first suspect should always be the one that gained the most.

Furthermore, it's an isolated incident--a strong indication that things aren't as they seem.

It's not an isolated incident. And "who benefits" analysis alone, if you have no other evidence, is exactly what conspiracy theories are made of.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

Look who benefits. Russia, not Ukraine.

The first suspect should always be the one that gained the most.

Furthermore, it's an isolated incident--a strong indication that things aren't as they seem.

It's not an isolated incident. And "who benefits" analysis alone, if you have no other evidence, is exactly what conspiracy theories are made of.

Got other Ukrainian massacres?

 

[barbos]

It's not an isolated incident. And "who benefits" analysis alone, if you have no other evidence, is exactly what conspiracy theories are made of.

Got other Ukrainian massacres?

Why do you limit yourself to Ukraine? How about 9-11?
WW2?

 

[Jayjay]

It's not an isolated incident. And "who benefits" analysis alone, if you have no other evidence, is exactly what conspiracy theories are made of.

Got other Ukrainian massacres?

 2_May_2014_Odessa_clashes. I'm sure i could find smaller incidents of violence against pro-Russian protestors as well. It's not at all unreasonable to think that the far-right paramilitary groups in Ukraine would do something like this.

 

[Axulus]

Got other Ukrainian massacres?

 2_May_2014_Odessa_clashes. I'm sure i could find smaller incidents of violence against pro-Russian protestors as well. It's not at all unreasonable to think that the far-right paramilitary NAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI NAZI groups in Ukraine would do something like this.

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