Are we now in full blown fascist totalitarianism?

[laughing dog]

He is not literally Hitler. He is an authoritarian strongman in a fascist style. He has done some things Hitler did in the 1930s but of course not all. He is following a classic playbook to undermine democracy and turn the government into a dictatorship. Victor Orban and Hugo Chavez followed similar paths to consolidate their power.

Really? The dodgiest thing Trump has done so far is shipping gangbangers to El Salvador. I don’t see a dictatorship. I will say I am never happy about a presidents use of executive orders. This is bullshit and needs to be stopped.

And what's this nonsense about saving dollars? The GOP defense budget that is in the works is currently calling for ~ 15%/$150 billion increase. I thought the idea of getting Europe to pay for more defense meant the US can cut back? Just more lies the MAGA rubes fell for.

The increase is probably due to having to match the Chinese who are becoming increasingly threatening. Plus the shit load of military hardware and support shipped to Ukraine.

If you believe that idiocy, you’d believe climate change is a hoax, and that covid wasn’t a threat.

Trump is having citizens deported. He has people on legal visas deported because he doesn’t like their views. He defies court orders. He ignores the US Constitution when it suits him.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

He is not literally Hitler. He is an authoritarian strongman in a fascist style. He has done some things Hitler did in the 1930s but of course not all. He is following a classic playbook to undermine democracy and turn the government into a dictatorship. Victor Orban and Hugo Chavez followed similar paths to consolidate their power.

Really? The dodgiest thing Trump has done so far is shipping gangbangers to El Salvador. I don’t see a dictatorship.

What is things an enabler says?

 

[unapologetic]

Would you call this Trump the Hitler dictator or is this "nobody is above the law" for the judges?

"nobody is above the law" also applies to Rump. It is judges duty to hold leaders accountable.

I believe both sides need to manage their fear better and more clearly understand where each are coming from.

Understanding does not require agreeing or even respecting.

So far she is just investigating. And if she does uncover fraud and abuse, yes I do hope she goes after them just exactly like I know the Democrats would do for the Republicans. Corruption is corruption and we are all better off without any of it.

Her 'investigation' is fraud and abuse, one sided. She is participating in the fraud and abuse coming out of the oval office.

Trump seems to be the first person in history being accused of being both Neville Chamberlain AND Hitler at the same time. How do you reconcile this?

Chamberlain was an idiot, enabling Hitler.
Rump's 'deal' would enable Putin and lead to further aggression. Leading to a larger war in Europe.
Wherein Putin would be Hitler, Rump would be Mussolini.

Do you consider that to be Trump the Hitler dictator or Trump the troll?

Doesn't matter. Both are evil.

What Allies in WW2 have given up in return for peace?

That was not a negotiated peace.

Since when the side which is winning has to surrender?

Nobody is winning. The Ukraine is not yet losing. The 'negotiations' are just theater.

Well, then you need to leave North American continent.

Who? The natives? (aka indians?)

becasue you banned russian language and culture in historically russian land

The US did not do that. What are you smoking?
The Ukrainians did that to themselves.

 

[Don2 (Don1 Revised)]

 

[unapologetic]

2. 80% of the public support him.

I don't believe that. (OTOH, I don't want to believe that)

Not funny.

 

[ZiprHead]

Putin wouldn't be able to fly a kite over Ukraine if the US stepped in and meant it.

Knowledgeable military people say that even in a conventional direct conflict US would now lose badly in Ukraine. Of course conventional is not possible so it's theoretical.

 

[Jarhyn]

I do sometimes wish there was some prize or reward or recognition for those who correctly saw this all coming right around now.

I mean shit, there is literally nothing I could have said that would have made people believe me before now, I don't think.

I called him Hitler, pointed out his behavior, discussed how the conservatives were acting really similar to the Nazis prior to WW2, the warning signs, the clear behavior in bad faith, and the parts where it's not going to look the same before and after.

Now can we please do ourselves the biggest fucking favor that we ever possibly could and DOCUMENT what the behavior and positions and tactics were over the previous few decades so that we can be ready to identify and disempower the growth of such movements in the future, and to actually enforce against that bullshit?

Knowing what Nazis look like "after the war starts" doesn't help anyone with anything. That's like a message that only identifies cancer when it's in the metastatic tumor stage... It can only tell you you are already dead.

Of course I and others have been discussing this for the last decade, what those tactics are, what they look like, and so on. It's no surprise how various members here seem for all intents and purposes married to the idea of Hitler 2.0, and those same people have over the years laughed and said it's hyperbole and exaggeration and to "have a sense of humor" and done everything they could over that whole span to gaslight the world into letting Nazis reach stage (WW) 2.

 

[barbos]

The US did not do that. What are you smoking?

You absolutely did order your Kiev puppets to do that.

 

[unapologetic]

 

[barbos]

Nobody is winning. The Ukraine is not yet losing. The 'negotiations' are just theater.

You've been misinformed for so long.

 

[Swammerdami]

I do sometimes wish there was some prize or reward or recognition for those who correctly saw this all coming right around now.

I mean shit, there is literally nothing I could have said that would have made people believe me before now, I don't think.

You and me both. I think there was better understanding here at IIDB than at two other boards where I occasionally hang out, including one which prides itself -- often correctly -- as being "smartest" on the 'Net. I and two other Cassandras were ridiculed for predicting this calamity.

Even now, many seem to think the 2026 Elections will get the country back on track. I will bet they do not.

 

[Jarhyn]

I do sometimes wish there was some prize or reward or recognition for those who correctly saw this all coming right around now.

I mean shit, there is literally nothing I could have said that would have made people believe me before now, I don't think.

You and me both. I think there was better understanding here at IIDB than at two other boards where I occasionally hang out, including one which prides itself -- often correctly -- as being "smartest" on the 'Net. I and two other Cassandras were ridiculed for predicting this calamity.

Even now, many seem to think the 2026 Elections will get the country back on track. I will bet they do not.

Yeah, the few of my friends who I respect are already discussing where to go when things get hairy, making sure we are all prepared as we ought be, and all that stuff.

My husband and I are trying to work towards getting a business stood up, but privately, I think we have just thrown away 20k that we will never see delivered on; I think the civil war is inevitable, and this is "deck chairs on the titanic". Not that I expect the dollars to have been worth anything but that point anyway... But maybe it could have bought canned and dry goods.

I keep suggesting canned goods and shelf stable stuff when we go to the grocery store, but even my own husband seems to act like I'm borderline crazy for wanting to be getting ready as much as possible for the coming darkness.

I remember almost 7 years ago now, crying to my husband on the train about how I really didn't want to be a soldier in another war, knowing this was coming, looking towards, maybe not tomorrow but in the scale of months, not years.

There won't be 2026 elections unless there are 2025 impeachments.

 

[Harry Bosch]

Nobody is winning. The Ukraine is not yet losing. The 'negotiations' are just theater.

You've been misinformed for so long.

? Three years in; and you’ve stolen 20% of their land; kidnapped 20,000 children; killed lots of civilians. Congratulations

 

[Swammerdami]

Al Gore, a noble and intelligent leader who was denied the Presidency because Dubya Bush looked like he'd be more fun to drink beer with, explained the connection between Trumpist fascism and Hitler's. Watch him in this brief YouTube.

I understand very well why it is wrong to compare Adolf Hitler’s Third Reich to any other movement. It was uniquely evil, full stop. I get it. But there are important lessons from the history of that emergent evil.
...
Theodore Adorno [] wrote that the first step in [Germany]’s descent into hell was, and I quote, ‘the conversion of all questions of truth into questions of power. He described how the Nazis, and I quote again, ‘attacked the very heart of the distinction between true and false.’ End quote. The Trump administration is insisting on trying to create their own preferred version of reality.

 

[Crumb]

There is a lot of Russian propaganda in this thread.

 

[Ford]

Putin wouldn't be able to fly a kite over Ukraine if the US stepped in and meant it.

Knowledgeable military people say that even in a conventional direct conflict US would now lose badly in Ukraine. Of course conventional is not possible so it's theoretical.

Seriously. A big part of the reason that Ukraine has been able to hold off Russia for the last 3 years is that Obama sent in US military advisors to revamp their outdated tactics back in 2014. Ukraine was still operating under the old Soviet doctrine of "just throw a bunch of grunts at the problem and don't question the generals," and replaced it with "every soldier is a precious resource and let the commanders on the ground direct the tactical response." If push came to shove, the US would achieve air superiority over Ukraine in the space of an afternoon...something Russia STILL hasn't accomplished.

 

[barbos]

Putin wouldn't be able to fly a kite over Ukraine if the US stepped in and meant it.

Knowledgeable military people say that even in a conventional direct conflict US would now lose badly in Ukraine. Of course conventional is not possible so it's theoretical.

Seriously. A big part of the reason that Ukraine has been able to hold off Russia for the last 3 years is that Obama sent in US military advisors to revamp their outdated tactics back in 2014. Ukraine was still operating under the old Soviet doctrine of "just throw a bunch of grunts at the problem and don't question the generals," and replaced it with "every soldier is a precious resource and let the commanders on the ground direct the tactical response." If push came to shove, the US would achieve air superiority over Ukraine in the space of an afternoon...something Russia STILL hasn't accomplished.

While US and Brits do have their "advisers" they are mostly doing intelligence and conducting strikes including fancy terrorist acts, not reforming Ukro-Wehrmacht.
US will not be able to achieve air-superiority in Ukraine, that's just impossible in modern war. And without air-superiority US army is nothing, especially against russian army who had 3 years.

 

[barbos]

Nobody is winning. The Ukraine is not yet losing. The 'negotiations' are just theater.

You've been misinformed for so long.

? Three years in; and you’ve stolen 20% of their land; kidnapped 20,000 children; killed lots of civilians. Congratulations

You repeat ukro-nazi propaganda.

 

[ZiprHead]

Nobody is winning. The Ukraine is not yet losing. The 'negotiations' are just theater.

You've been misinformed for so long.

? Three years in; and you’ve stolen 20% of their land; kidnapped 20,000 children; killed lots of civilians. Congratulations

You repeat ukro-nazi propaganda.

No. We read maps.

 

[barbos]

Nobody is winning. The Ukraine is not yet losing. The 'negotiations' are just theater.

You've been misinformed for so long.

? Three years in; and you’ve stolen 20% of their land; kidnapped 20,000 children; killed lots of civilians. Congratulations

You repeat ukro-nazi propaganda.

No. We read maps.

You can't read maps.