Legal definition of woman is based on biological sex, UK supreme court rules

[seanie]

And I’m not clear how pointing out trees are sexed is misogyny.

Feel free to explain

 

[laughing dog]

And I’m not clear how pointing out trees are sexed is misogyny.

You are hallucinating again because no one wrote such a thing.

 

[seanie]

So, the eligibility criteria for women’s sports.

What d’ya think?

 

[laughing dog]

The issue of eligibility for women’s sports is an old, ongoing issue . IMO it is best left up to the ruling bodies for each sport.

 

[TomC]

And I’m not clear how pointing out trees are sexed is misogyny.

You are hallucinating again because no one wrote such a thing.

And once again you're evasive and sarcastic.
Tom

 

[seanie]

So you’re OK with the direction of travel?

More and more sports excluding trans women from women’s sports?

Because that’s a matter for sporting bodies?

You have no thoughts on the issue at all beyond that?

 

[TSwizzle]

What criteria should apply to the question of who should participate in women’s sports?

If you were born with a vagina, you’re in. If you were born with a penis, you’re out.

Is a man who has made the “psychological transformation” to being a woman eligible to compete against women?

No. Unless the female participants agree to it.

 

[seanie]

I wasn’t in doubt about your position,

 

[seanie]

The issue of eligibility for women’s sports is an old, ongoing issue . IMO it is best left up to the ruling bodies for each sport.

And what should be their criteria?

Fairness?

Safety?

Letting any man who considers themselves a woman participate in women’s sport?

Tell us what you think,

 

[laughing dog]

And I’m not clear how pointing out trees are sexed is misogyny.

You are hallucinating again because no one wrote such a thing.

And once again you're evasive and sarcastic.
Tom

That was a declarative sentence of fact. Nothing evasive about denying a fact.

 

[laughing dog]

The issue of eligibility for women’s sports is an old, ongoing issue . IMO it is best left up to the ruling bodies for each sport.

And what should be their criteria?

Fairness?

Safety?

Letting any man who considers themselves a woman participate in women’s sport?

Tell us what you think,

I told you what I thought - that it is best left to the ruling bodies.

 

[seanie]

Why?

And is any decision they make OK with you?

Like excluding trans women from women’s sports?

 

[Toni]

Sorry, but a transwoman who has gone through a complete physical transformation is not the same as a male human in jeans and steel-toed boots.

Yep, all those high schoolers who've had penectomies and orchiectomies and vaginoplasties...

There aren't nearly as many transwomen who've gone through complete sex trait modification surgeries as you seem to think.

The number is not relevant, not even to your dismissive attitude.

What do you think this means? What psychological transformation do you think occurs?

I think any male who makes the psychological transformation would not be a direct threat to women.

I mostly agree but that is not at all easy to assess in a moment when one is in a state of undress in the ladies locker room.

 

[laughing dog]

I would think that the ruling bodies in each sport are better informed and better situated to devise an appropriate outcome.

I feel no need or compulsion to kibbitz on their decisions.

 

[Toni]

And I’m not clear how pointing out trees are sexed is misogyny.

Feel free to explain

Given that you don’t understand botany or biology of any species, and being utterly and completely wrong in what you think you know, it is difficult to assess your belief about trees as anything but meaningless and in fact is utterly irrelevant to this discussion.

 

[seanie]

I would think that the ruling bodies in each sport are better informed and better situated to devise an appropriate outcome.

I feel no need or compulsion to kibbitz on their decisions.

But what should they be considering?

 

[laughing dog]

Sorry, but a transwoman who has gone through a complete physical transformation is not the same as a male human in jeans and steel-toed boots.

Yep, all those high schoolers who've had penectomies and orchiectomies and vaginoplasties...

There aren't nearly as many transwomen who've gone through complete sex trait modification surgeries as you seem to think.

The number is not relevant, not even to your dismissive attitude.

What do you think this means? What psychological transformation do you think occurs?

I think any male who makes the psychological transformation would not be a direct threat to women.

I mostly agree but that is not at all easy to assess in a moment when one is in a state of undress in the ladies locker room.

Sorry, but a transwoman who has gone through a complete physical transformation is not the same as a male human in jeans and steel-toed boots.

Yep, all those high schoolers who've had penectomies and orchiectomies and vaginoplasties...

There aren't nearly as many transwomen who've gone through complete sex trait modification surgeries as you seem to think.

The number is not relevant, not even to your dismissive attitude.

What do you think this means? What psychological transformation do you think occurs?

I think any male who makes the psychological transformation would not be a direct threat to women.

I mostly agree but that is not at all easy to assess in a moment when one is in a state of undress in the ladies locker room.

Of course. My point was to object to Emily’s blanket objection - this is a more complicated issue if one is truly interested in fairness.

 

[seanie]

And I’m not clear how pointing out trees are sexed is misogyny.

Feel free to explain

Given that you don’t understand botany or biology of any species, and being utterly and completely wrong in what you think you know, it is difficult to assess your belief about trees as anything but meaningless and in fact is utterly irrelevant to this discussion.

Sex is still binary.

 

[Toni]

And I’m not clear how pointing out trees are sexed is misogyny.

Feel free to explain

Given that you don’t understand botany or biology of any species, and being utterly and completely wrong in what you think you know, it is difficult to assess your belief about trees as anything but meaningless and in fact is utterly irrelevant to this discussion.

Sex is still binary.

Only in the reproductive sense. Cultures all over the world have recognized that not every one falls into one of two categories. Such individuals were not only recognized but held in esteem in many cultures throughout the world.

 

[seanie]

Sex is still binary.

That many cultures have a third social category to accommodate homosexual men without permitting homosexuality is irrelevant.

In terms of biological sex, everyone falls into one of two categories.