Climate Change(d)?

[pood]

It's a hot day? CLIMATE CHANGE!!!11!!!11!!!

Here I go, against my better judgment, posting a response to ignorant flapdoodle. However, I suspect SwizzleFizzle has me on ignore since he never responds to my rare responses to him,

Nobody said the above. It is you — not we — who are unable to distinguish between weather and climate.

 

[southernhybrid]

I'm not sure if any of you have posted much about the recent changes in the Arctic ice melts, but I found one that is very sad. It's not for the denier as he is hopeless. It's for those of us who are actually interested in learning more about the science of climate change. I've missed some posts, so it may have already been discussed. Considering that we now have a president who wants us to use more coal and who is cutting off subsidies for cleaner sources of power, the future isn't looking to bright for the environment and the animals that share the planet with us.

https://americanscience.org/article/view?id=1595

Coastal flooding is worsening in many communities as Arctic glaciers and the Greenland Ice Sheet send meltwater into the oceans. Heat-trapping gases released by Arctic wildfires and thawing tundra mix quickly in the air, adding to human-produced emissions that are warming the globe. Unusual and extreme weather events, pressure on food supplies and intensifying threats from wildfire and related smoke can all be influenced by changes in the Arctic.

In the 2024 Arctic Report Card, released Dec. 10, we brought together 97 scientists from 11 countries, with expertise ranging from wildlife to wildfire and sea ice to snow, to report on the state of the Arctic environment.

They describe the rapid changes they’re witnessing across the Arctic, and the consequences for people and wildlife that touch every region of the globe.

n the 2024 Arctic Report Card, released Dec. 10, we brought together 97 scientists from 11 countries, with expertise ranging from wildlife to wildfire and sea ice to snow, to report on the state of the Arctic environment.

They describe the rapid changes they’re witnessing across the Arctic, and the consequences for people and wildlife that touch every region of the globe.

Highlights from the 2024 Arctic Report Card. NOAA.

Pace of change in the Arctic accelerates​

The Arctic of today looks stunningly different from the Arctic of even one to two decades ago. Over the Arctic Report Card’s 19 years, we and the many contributing authors to the report have watched the pace of environmental change accelerate and the challenges become more complex.

For the past 15 years, the Arctic snow season has been one to two weeks shorter than it was historically, shifting the timing and character of the seasons.

Shorter snow seasons can challenge plants and animals that depend on regular seasonal changes. Longer snow-free seasons can also reduce water resources from snowmelt earlier in spring or summer and increase the possibility of drought.

Arctic tundra becomes a carbon source​

For thousands of years, the Arctic tundra landscape of shrubs and permafrost, or frozen ground, has acted as a carbon dioxide sink, meaning that the landscape was taking up and storing this gas that would otherwise trap heat in the atmosphere.

But permafrost across the Arctic has been warming and thawing. Once thawed, microbes in the permafrost can decompose long-stored carbon, breaking it down into carbon dioxide and methane. These heat-trapping gases are then released to the atmosphere, causing more global warming.

Wildfires have also increased in size and intensity, releasing more carbon dioxide into the atmosphere, and the wildfire season has grown longer.

 

[pood]

Meanwhile, while the idiot in the White House is going whole hog on fossil-fuel technology that is warming the world, China is pivoting with breakneck speed to clean, renewable energy and will eventually dominate world markets, leaving the U.S. out of luck.

 

[steve_bank]

As I understand it the tundra is a big issue. As it thaws more carbon is released, a runaway or positive feedback.

We have to face it, after thousands and thousands of years of success us humans are failing the Darwin Test, we are delectation ourselves for survival.

 

[pood]

Evidence for warming acceleration too great to ignore

The scariest climate plot in the world — do not let small children read this

From the latter:

The decisions we make in the next few decades will determine the climate for the next 5,000 generations

From Fizzle:

 

[scombrid]

I'm not sure if any of you have posted much about the recent changes in the Arctic ice melts, but I found one that is very sad. It's not for the denier as he is hopeless. It's for those of us who are actually interested in learning more about the science of climate change. I've missed some posts, so it may have already been discussed. Considering that we now have a president who wants us to use more coal and who is cutting off subsidies for cleaner sources of power, the future isn't looking to bright for the environment and the animals that share the planet with us.

https://americanscience.org/article/view?id=1595

Coastal flooding is worsening in many communities as Arctic glaciers and the Greenland Ice Sheet send meltwater into the oceans. Heat-trapping gases released by Arctic wildfires and thawing tundra mix quickly in the air, adding to human-produced emissions that are warming the globe. Unusual and extreme weather events, pressure on food supplies and intensifying threats from wildfire and related smoke can all be influenced by changes in the Arctic.

In the 2024 Arctic Report Card, released Dec. 10, we brought together 97 scientists from 11 countries, with expertise ranging from wildlife to wildfire and sea ice to snow, to report on the state of the Arctic environment.

They describe the rapid changes they’re witnessing across the Arctic, and the consequences for people and wildlife that touch every region of the globe.

n the 2024 Arctic Report Card, released Dec. 10, we brought together 97 scientists from 11 countries, with expertise ranging from wildlife to wildfire and sea ice to snow, to report on the state of the Arctic environment.

They describe the rapid changes they’re witnessing across the Arctic, and the consequences for people and wildlife that touch every region of the globe.

Highlights from the 2024 Arctic Report Card. NOAA.

Pace of change in the Arctic accelerates​

The Arctic of today looks stunningly different from the Arctic of even one to two decades ago. Over the Arctic Report Card’s 19 years, we and the many contributing authors to the report have watched the pace of environmental change accelerate and the challenges become more complex.

For the past 15 years, the Arctic snow season has been one to two weeks shorter than it was historically, shifting the timing and character of the seasons.

Shorter snow seasons can challenge plants and animals that depend on regular seasonal changes. Longer snow-free seasons can also reduce water resources from snowmelt earlier in spring or summer and increase the possibility of drought.

Arctic tundra becomes a carbon source​

For thousands of years, the Arctic tundra landscape of shrubs and permafrost, or frozen ground, has acted as a carbon dioxide sink, meaning that the landscape was taking up and storing this gas that would otherwise trap heat in the atmosphere.

But permafrost across the Arctic has been warming and thawing. Once thawed, microbes in the permafrost can decompose long-stored carbon, breaking it down into carbon dioxide and methane. These heat-trapping gases are then released to the atmosphere, causing more global warming.

Wildfires have also increased in size and intensity, releasing more carbon dioxide into the atmosphere, and the wildfire season has grown longer.

The current administration is just disappearing the data, even when the data collection source is needed for weather forecasting. They just cut of a joint DoD/NOAA program that is fairly crucial for forecasting and it looks like they probably did it because they don't like the climate data that come along with the package.

 

[steve_bank]

I wonder if TSwizzle knows that SF and La are moving north.

Yes, the Pacific Plate, which includes San Francisco, is indeed moving northward relative to the North American Plate. This movement is primarily along the San Andreas Fault and is a strike-slip motion, where the plates slide past each other horizontally. The Pacific Plate is moving northwestward at a rate of about 46 millimeters per year, roughly the same rate your fingernails grow.

This movement is a gradual process, with Los Angeles expected to be at the same latitude as San Francisco in millions of years.

 

[GenesisNemesis]

I'm not sure if any of you have posted much about the recent changes in the Arctic ice melts, but I found one that is very sad. It's not for the denier as he is hopeless. It's for those of us who are actually interested in learning more about the science of climate change. I've missed some posts, so it may have already been discussed. Considering that we now have a president who wants us to use more coal and who is cutting off subsidies for cleaner sources of power, the future isn't looking to bright for the environment and the animals that share the planet with us.

https://americanscience.org/article/view?id=1595

Coastal flooding is worsening in many communities as Arctic glaciers and the Greenland Ice Sheet send meltwater into the oceans. Heat-trapping gases released by Arctic wildfires and thawing tundra mix quickly in the air, adding to human-produced emissions that are warming the globe. Unusual and extreme weather events, pressure on food supplies and intensifying threats from wildfire and related smoke can all be influenced by changes in the Arctic.

In the 2024 Arctic Report Card, released Dec. 10, we brought together 97 scientists from 11 countries, with expertise ranging from wildlife to wildfire and sea ice to snow, to report on the state of the Arctic environment.

They describe the rapid changes they’re witnessing across the Arctic, and the consequences for people and wildlife that touch every region of the globe.

n the 2024 Arctic Report Card, released Dec. 10, we brought together 97 scientists from 11 countries, with expertise ranging from wildlife to wildfire and sea ice to snow, to report on the state of the Arctic environment.

They describe the rapid changes they’re witnessing across the Arctic, and the consequences for people and wildlife that touch every region of the globe.

Highlights from the 2024 Arctic Report Card. NOAA.

Pace of change in the Arctic accelerates​

The Arctic of today looks stunningly different from the Arctic of even one to two decades ago. Over the Arctic Report Card’s 19 years, we and the many contributing authors to the report have watched the pace of environmental change accelerate and the challenges become more complex.

For the past 15 years, the Arctic snow season has been one to two weeks shorter than it was historically, shifting the timing and character of the seasons.

Shorter snow seasons can challenge plants and animals that depend on regular seasonal changes. Longer snow-free seasons can also reduce water resources from snowmelt earlier in spring or summer and increase the possibility of drought.

Arctic tundra becomes a carbon source​

For thousands of years, the Arctic tundra landscape of shrubs and permafrost, or frozen ground, has acted as a carbon dioxide sink, meaning that the landscape was taking up and storing this gas that would otherwise trap heat in the atmosphere.

But permafrost across the Arctic has been warming and thawing. Once thawed, microbes in the permafrost can decompose long-stored carbon, breaking it down into carbon dioxide and methane. These heat-trapping gases are then released to the atmosphere, causing more global warming.

Wildfires have also increased in size and intensity, releasing more carbon dioxide into the atmosphere, and the wildfire season has grown longer.

The current administration is just disappearing the data, even when the data collection source is needed for weather forecasting. They just cut of a joint DoD/NOAA program that is fairly crucial for forecasting and it looks like they probably did it because they don't like the climate data that come along with the package.

This is also a free speech matter but of course the right wing idiots would ignore that, because they don't actually care about free speech.

 

[pood]

Swizzle: I want science, give me climate change science, not Al Gore or Greta Thunberg!!!!!

Science: This new international study paints a stark picture: the pace of climate change is accelerating, seas are rising faster than ever, and the Earth is absorbing more heat with devastating consequences from hotter oceans to intensified weather extremes.

Swizzle:

 

[Swammerdami]

I am often tempted to pretend to be a MAGAT and to post parodies of their "thinking." I've even thought of asking the Staff if I could have a second, fake, account to facilitate that fun.

My guess is that TSwizzle is such a shill. In reality he is an intelligent informed citizen, but is having fun posting parodies of willfully stupid bumpkin ideation. TSwizzle may even be the sock-puppet of a scientist here who IS worried about climate change, but wants to give us all a laugh....

TSwizzle is like a baby in a baby high chair at a dinner table with adults.

Steve is a member of a cult.

Rapture like cult.

MAGA is the real cult.

... Or instead of a sock-puppet of a human Infidel, TSwizzle might be a chat-bot trained on the writings of science deniers. Would that training set have a lot of mentions of "cult"? This hypothesis seems unlikely, however. Science deniers construct elaborate arguments why the Earth is flat, or whatever. But TSwizzle has only a few stock phrases he repeats over and over. If he is a "bot", he's a very primitive one. I think even ELIZA from the mid-1960's could outperform this TSwizzle science denier.

A final possibility is that TSwizzle is a sincere human who dropped science in the sixth grade and, in his own bashful and self-humiliating way, is reaching out, hoping to learn a little. Here's a new YouTube that may wake him up. It seems to be geared to the appropriate 7th-grade level for him.

 

[pood]

I am often tempted to pretend to be a MAGAT and to post parodies of their "thinking." I've even thought of asking the Staff if I could have a second, fake, account to facilitate that fun.

My guess is that TSwizzle is such a shill. In reality he is an intelligent informed citizen, but is having fun posting parodies of willfully stupid bumpkin ideation. TSwizzle may even be the sock-puppet of a scientist here who IS worried about climate change, but wants to give us all a laugh....

TSwizzle is like a baby in a baby high chair at a dinner table with adults.

Steve is a member of a cult.

Rapture like cult.

MAGA is the real cult.

... Or instead of a sock-puppet of a human Infidel, TSwizzle might be a chat-bot trained on the writings of science deniers. Would that training set have a lot of mentions of "cult"? This hypothesis seems unlikely, however. Science deniers construct elaborate arguments why the Earth is flat, or whatever. But TSwizzle has only a few stock phrases he repeats over and over. If he is a "bot", he's a very primitive one. I think even ELIZA from the mid-1960's could outperform this TSwizzle science denier.

A final possibility is that TSwizzle is a sincere human who dropped science in the sixth grade and, in his own bashful and self-humiliating way, is reaching out, hoping to learn a little. Here's a new YouTube that may wake him up. It seems to be geared to the appropriate 7th-grade level for him.

Swizzle:

The video says what we decide to do now will affect the world for generations. If we do little or next to nothing as we are basically doing now, it will affect — as the earlier article I linked explains — the next 5,000 generations.

Personally I think it’s too late. While technically we still have time, the will is not there. There are too many Swizzles in the world.

The likely outcome of all this will be many uninhabitable regions in the world, the collapse of industrial/technological civilization, the die-off of many humans, and the reversion of those who remain to pre-industrial life styles.

As for the rest of the world, it will adapt to a warmer world, given enough time. The mass extinctions taking place now because of climate change and other human activities noted in the video don’t give evolution enough time for meaningful adaptations. But eventually there will be enough time, with a very different biosphere that will be congenial to its new inhabitants but not to us.

 

[TSwizzle]

lol.

It is a catastrophic 73 degrees today. 3rd Street Promenade is still not underwater, what is up with that?! Maybe next week? Next month? Next year?

 

[steve_bank]

lol.

It is a catastrophic 73 degrees today. 3rd Street Promenade is still not underwater, what is up with that?! Maybe next week? Next month? Next year?

You are not answering my questions

1. What is the natural cause right now today of global glacier, snow packs, and polar ice?
2. Are industrial and auto pollution controls a waste of money?
3. Are there any health risks with air pollution?
4. How does your local temperature serve to refute human cruised climate change?


Uhhh let me think. Put up or shut up? Put your money where yourr mouth is?

An old saying about somebody being all hat and no horse.

"All hat and no horse" is an idiom that means someone is all talk and no action. It implies they may appear impressive or knowledgeable (like a cowboy with a fancy hat), but lack the substance or ability to back up their words. It's similar to phrases like "all bark and no bite" or "all hat and no cattle"

 

[pood]

I am often tempted to pretend to be a MAGAT and to post parodies of their "thinking." I've even thought of asking the Staff if I could have a second, fake, account to facilitate that fun.

My guess is that TSwizzle is such a shill. In reality he is an intelligent informed citizen, but is having fun posting parodies of willfully stupid bumpkin ideation. TSwizzle may even be the sock-puppet of a scientist here who IS worried about climate change, but wants to give us all a laugh....

TSwizzle is like a baby in a baby high chair at a dinner table with adults.

Steve is a member of a cult.

Rapture like cult.

MAGA is the real cult.

... Or instead of a sock-puppet of a human Infidel, TSwizzle might be a chat-bot trained on the writings of science deniers. Would that training set have a lot of mentions of "cult"? This hypothesis seems unlikely, however. Science deniers construct elaborate arguments why the Earth is flat, or whatever. But TSwizzle has only a few stock phrases he repeats over and over. If he is a "bot", he's a very primitive one. I think even ELIZA from the mid-1960's could outperform this TSwizzle science denier.

A final possibility is that TSwizzle is a sincere human who dropped science in the sixth grade and, in his own bashful and self-humiliating way, is reaching out, hoping to learn a little. Here's a new YouTube that may wake him up. It seems to be geared to the appropriate 7th-grade level for him.

See what good your efforts did for Swizzle? It’s another Swizzle Fizzle.

 

[TSwizzle]

You are not answering my questions

They are silly questions.

 

[pood]

Internet Rando Demolishes Scientific Consensus on Climate Change

IIDB (Internet News Service) — With over 99.9 percent of peer-reviewed scientific papers concluding that climate change is real and caused by humans, an internet rando has demolished that consensus by pointing to the current clement weather in Santa Monica, Calif.

“It’s a pleasant, balmy day in Santa Monica,” the internet rando, who goes by the user name TSwizze, recently posted at the Internet Infidels Discussion Board. “It’s 73 degrees today. And look, the pier is still there — not underwater!”

The scientific consensus is based on the fact that carbon dioxide, a heat-trapping gas, has been accumulating in the atmosphere at an exponential rate since the dawn of the Industrial Revolution. Further, scientists have identified an isotopic fingerprint confirming that this increase is because of the humans combusting of fossil fuels.

In addition, scientists point out that the global average surface temperature has risen 1.8 degrees Fahrenheit since the 19th century, and the current warming rate caused by humans activities is unprecedented in the last 10,000 years. It is now widely observed that glaciers and other ice packs are rapidly melting, sea levels are rising, and destructive extreme weather events are becoming commonplace.

Finally, it has been confirmed that warming is not because of natural activity like volcanos or solar-radiation increase.

“However, none of this is any skin of Swizzle’s ass,” remarked E. Mota Khan, an internet enshitiffication analyst with the RAND corporation. “He bases his counterargument not only on the nice weather in Santa Monica, but — most devastatingly — on the fact that Al Gore and Greta Thunberg have spoken out on the dangers of climate change. Who can argue with logic and evidence like that?”

 

[steve_bank]

You are not answering my questions

They are silly questions.

Put up or shut up.

I see q = m*c*dT is too advanced for you.

Les's start with some basics

1 + 1 = 2
1 + 2 = 3

Pop quiz:

x + 1 = 2

What is x?

If you have 1 apple in your left hand and 2 apples in our right hand, how many apples are you holding?

 

[steve_bank]

I am often tempted to pretend to be a MAGAT and to post parodies of their "thinking." I've even thought of asking the Staff if I could have a second, fake, account to facilitate that fun.

My guess is that TSwizzle is such a shill. In reality he is an intelligent informed citizen, but is having fun posting parodies of willfully stupid bumpkin ideation. TSwizzle may even be the sock-puppet of a scientist here who IS worried about climate change, but wants to give us all a laugh....

TSwizzle is like a baby in a baby high chair at a dinner table with adults.

Steve is a member of a cult.

Rapture like cult.

MAGA is the real cult.

... Or instead of a sock-puppet of a human Infidel, TSwizzle might be a chat-bot trained on the writings of science deniers. Would that training set have a lot of mentions of "cult"? This hypothesis seems unlikely, however. Science deniers construct elaborate arguments why the Earth is flat, or whatever. But TSwizzle has only a few stock phrases he repeats over and over. If he is a "bot", he's a very primitive one. I think even ELIZA from the mid-1960's could outperform this TSwizzle science denier.

A final possibility is that TSwizzle is a sincere human who dropped science in the sixth grade and, in his own bashful and self-humiliating way, is reaching out, hoping to learn a little. Here's a new YouTube that may wake him up. It seems to be geared to the appropriate 7th-grade level for him.

See what good your efforts did for Swizzle? It’s another Swizzle Fizzle.

Look at it like feeding ducks. All they do is quack, waddle, and crap, but it passes the time.

 

[pood]

Look at it like feeding ducks. All they do is quack, waddle, and crap, but it passes the time.

Quacking, waddling and crapping is certainly an improvement on anything Swizzle has offered on this board.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

As I understand it the tundra is a big issue. As it thaws more carbon is released, a runaway or positive feedback.

We have to face it, after thousands and thousands of years of success us humans are failing the Darwin Test, we are delectation ourselves for survival.

And note that we do not adequately understand the forces at work. We can comfortably say that there will be positive feedback from tundra and from methane hydrates. But we are not to the point of putting numbers on either--which means they are not included in the climate estimates. The high estimate for the dangers of methane hydrates exceeds the high estimate for the dangers from CO2--which means reality could easily end up much worse than the high range climate predictions.

6 degrees from CO2, 8 degrees from CH4 adds up to 14 degrees (real degrees, not fascism (I don't think "freedom" is the right word anymore) degrees) of warming. That would put much of the world above the survival limit. And it's not just the people--our summer vegetables love the 100F+ days. They're not so happy about the 110F+ days.