An illustration of media bias

[Arctish]

But it did have collateral damage. Innocents were maimed.

Nothing is perfect, of course. Btw, these family members would have been safe had they not tried to use their Hezbollah family member's pager. Curiosity killed the cat, I guess.

Victim blaming with a side order of dehumanization.

 

[Arctish]

It was a few of the target's family members bad luck that they decided to pick up and activate a beeper belonging to a terrorist family member. I guess that will learn them not to snoop!

More victim blaming, with an unsupported assertion that family members were snooping and therefore brought the maiming and murder on themselves.

The moral depravity some posters display when children are killed never fails to nauseate.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

And Netanyahu saying there is no starvation in Gaza and no civilians are being shot.....

Photos of hunger and despair from Gaza were staged in collaboration with Hamas, German newspaper reveals
On the other hand, we have real instances of a hostage held by Hamas being deliberately starved.

Are we back to there is no hunger? I keep forgetting the narrative that is coming forth from some here.

There is hunger but it is Hamas' fault or there is no hunger, it is all a lie.

 

[Arctish]

Speaking of media bias: Bias hiding in plain sight

I'm all for neutrality in reporting, for sticking to the facts and clearly labeling conjecture. I wish more of our news outlets were dedicated to presenting facts instead of catering to a demographic and cultivating an audience. But we live in a world where news outlets are all trying to make a buck, so we have to be mindful of whatever bias each one has.

 

[Patooka]

That is one biased way to describe it, since some civilians were injured as well.

I know I am being biased when I remember how many civvies were killed on 7th Oct.

Me too. But apparently I'm an anti Semite because I'm also against genocide, collective punishment, war crimes and weaponising starvation.

 

[Tigers!]

That is one biased way to describe it, since some civilians were injured as well.

I know I am being biased when I remember how many civvies were killed on 7th Oct.

Me too. But apparently I'm an anti Semite because I'm also against genocide, collective punishment, war crimes and weaponising starvation.

I do not recall calling you an anti-semite (if that is what you are implying I have called you)

 

[unapologetic]

"An illustration of media bias":
FOX FAUX NEWS

Media SHOULD be biased. In favor of the truth.
Info/data are not all equal. Issue sides are not all equal. Opinions are not all equal.
But opinions should be clearly labeled. Biases should not distort facts.

Sorry, I know this thread is more about Iarael and war than about bias itself. My point is, it's hard to avoid taking sides when reporting on a war.

 

[Patooka]

That is one biased way to describe it, since some civilians were injured as well.

I know I am being biased when I remember how many civvies were killed on 7th Oct.

Me too. But apparently I'm an anti Semite because I'm also against genocide, collective punishment, war crimes and weaponising starvation.

I do not recall calling you an anti-semite (if that is what you are implying I have called you)

That's okay; I do recall you trying to excuse genocide because of what happened October 7th however. Because that is exactly what you are doing.

 

[Tigers!]

That is one biased way to describe it, since some civilians were injured as well.

I know I am being biased when I remember how many civvies were killed on 7th Oct.

Me too. But apparently I'm an anti Semite because I'm also against genocide, collective punishment, war crimes and weaponising starvation.

I do not recall calling you an anti-semite (if that is what you are implying I have called you)

That's okay; I do recall you trying to excuse genocide because of what happened October 7th however. Because that is exactly what you are doing.

I, too, want the killing to end. Preferably without Hamas being rewarded for their efforts.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

That's okay; I do recall you trying to excuse genocide because of what happened October 7th however. Because that is exactly what you are doing.

I, too, want the killing to end. Preferably without Hamas being rewarded for their efforts.

I find it impressive how this suggestion can be used to defend any response against Gaza.

 

[laughing dog]

That is one biased way to describe it, since some civilians were injured as well.

I know I am being biased when I remember how many civvies were killed on 7th Oct.

Me too. But apparently I'm an anti Semite because I'm also against genocide, collective punishment, war crimes and weaponising starvation.

I do not recall calling you an anti-semite (if that is what you are implying I have called you)

That's okay; I do recall you trying to excuse genocide because of what happened October 7th however. Because that is exactly what you are doing.

I, too, want the killing to end. Preferably without Hamas being rewarded for their efforts.

Perhaps if you could explain what you envision as “reward“ to Hamas that would make these results worthwhile to them, readers lacking your fertile imagination might make sense of your last sentence.

 

[Jarhyn]

The thing is, this whole situation could have been run entirely differently, from so many points in time.

The first thing that needs to happen is that aid groups need to get armed multinational support to deliver rebuilding efforts, to suppress Hamas interference with aid and housing efforts.

Aid needs to be allowed and peacekeeping forces need to be there in higher populations than Hamas's organization can field, and acting together to take Hamas down with whatever good will they can win with the Palestinian people.

The problem here is that the US military is largely radicalized against all Islamic people.

There's just too much derision present in the Israeli and US militaries, and the UN's peacekeeping forces just seem so... Soft... That there just isn't anyone that can really rise to sorting the situation out.

I really don't see peace happening in the middle east until some kind of internet-embedded self-replicating intelligence has seized control of enough assets to force us meat bags to abandon such borders and claims.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

Survivors of Israel's pager attack on Hezbollah struggle to recover

The pager attack across Lebanon killed 12 people, including two children, and wounded more than 3,000.

apnews.com

Attempting to stir up sympathy for terrorists hit by one of the most surgical military attacks of modern times?

If you truly believe that these attacks were surgically precise, you are admitting that Israel intentional targeted civilians - children, no less - for political violence. The definition of terrorism, as it happens.

Please quit twisting my words.

I said "one of the most surgical military attacks", not "perfect attacks".

1) I was comparing it to other combat operations. Looks like thousands of targets hit with one innocent killed. That is extremely good, especially since those targets were in cities.

2) Even perfectly precise surgery usually involves some other damage. If surgeons didn't do other damage there would be no issue of healing after an operation.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

Survivors of Israel's pager attack on Hezbollah struggle to recover

The pager attack across Lebanon killed 12 people, including two children, and wounded more than 3,000.

apnews.com

Attempting to stir up sympathy for terrorists hit by one of the most surgical military attacks of modern times?

If you truly believe that these attacks were surgically precise, you are admitting that Israel intentional targeted civilians - children, no less - for political violence. The definition of terrorism, as it happens.

That's a typical bit of strawman argument.
If you don't want to see the difference between what Loren said and your argument I can only assume it's willful blindness.
Tom

Loren's argument is that mentioning the harm at all is bias, which is ridiculous... unless the AP minimized the harm from the 10/7 atrocity. Which they didn't.

It's a sympathy piece. Sympathy for terrorists? How can you not see how biased this is?

 

[Loren Pechtel]

Would you describe the 9/11 attack on the Pentagon as a terrorist attack?

Yes, because you are not framing it correctly.

Pentagon alone, not terrorism. But there were four targets plotted that day, two of which were unquestionably civilian in nature. That makes it terrorism.

 

[pood]

Survivors of Israel's pager attack on Hezbollah struggle to recover

The pager attack across Lebanon killed 12 people, including two children, and wounded more than 3,000.

apnews.com

Attempting to stir up sympathy for terrorists hit by one of the most surgical military attacks of modern times?

If you truly believe that these attacks were surgically precise, you are admitting that Israel intentional targeted civilians - children, no less - for political violence. The definition of terrorism, as it happens.

That's a typical bit of strawman argument.
If you don't want to see the difference between what Loren said and your argument I can only assume it's willful blindness.
Tom

Loren's argument is that mentioning the harm at all is bias, which is ridiculous... unless the AP minimized the harm from the 10/7 atrocity. Which they didn't.

It's a sympathy piece. Sympathy for terrorists? How can you not see how biased this is?

It is NOT a sympathy piece for terrorists.

 

[laughing dog]

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2) Even perfectly precise surgery usually involves some other damage. If surgeons didn't do other damage there would be no issue of healing after an operation.

That is utter nonsense. Excising an anatomical problem perfectly would still involve healing of some sort.

Stooping to such unnecessary pedantry makes your position seem more desperate and less rational.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

Survivors of Israel's pager attack on Hezbollah struggle to recover

The pager attack across Lebanon killed 12 people, including two children, and wounded more than 3,000.

apnews.com

Attempting to stir up sympathy for terrorists hit by one of the most surgical military attacks of modern times?

If you truly believe that these attacks were surgically precise, you are admitting that Israel intentional targeted civilians - children, no less - for political violence. The definition of terrorism, as it happens.

That's a typical bit of strawman argument.
If you don't want to see the difference between what Loren said and your argument I can only assume it's willful blindness.
Tom

Loren's argument is that mentioning the harm at all is bias, which is ridiculous... unless the AP minimized the harm from the 10/7 atrocity. Which they didn't.

It's a sympathy piece. Sympathy for terrorists? How can you not see how biased this is?

Maybe you need to rephrase that question and address it to yourself.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

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2) Even perfectly precise surgery usually involves some other damage. If surgeons didn't do other damage there would be no issue of healing after an operation.

That is utter nonsense. Excising an anatomical problem perfectly would still involve healing of some sort.

Stooping to such unnecessary pedantry makes your position seem more desperate and less rational.

How many targetted, how many innocents wounded? The ratio to me didn't seem bad at all. Am I mistaken?

 

[TomC]

How many targetted, how many innocents wounded? The ratio to me didn't seem bad at all. Am I mistaken?

And even more to the point.
Hezbollah has been attacking Israel for years. How surgical have their attacks been? Had Israel not done what they did with the pagers, how many innocent civilians would Hezbollah have slaughtered in the next five years?

So, in the final analysis, I'm confident that Israel saved a bunch of innocent civilians at a moderate cost.
Tom