Fully tax supported public colleges and universities.

[ksen]

I did re-read the threat. You've postulated two arguments. One countries do it and the one I just quoted where dismal corrected your mistake in your argument.

lol, "mistake in my argument".

You guys are shameless.

Not quite. You haven't made any argument. Yours is, "I like college so we should pay for it"

So which is it? Two or zero?

What are your arguments for why we should pay for more education than we do?

You said you reread the thread and that I've made either two or zero arguments and that dismal was kind enough to point out the mistake I made in one of my two or zero arguments.

Therefore you've already read my two or zero arguments so why do I need to repost any of my two or zero arguments again?

edited: oh, and is it impossible for you to answer a simple question such as "So which is it? Two or zero?"

 

[coloradoatheist]

I did re-read the threat. You've postulated two arguments. One countries do it and the one I just quoted where dismal corrected your mistake in your argument.

lol, "mistake in my argument".

You guys are shameless.

Not quite. You haven't made any argument. Yours is, "I like college so we should pay for it"

So which is it? Two or zero?

What are your arguments for why we should pay for more education than we do?

You said you reread the thread and that I've made either two or zero arguments and that dismal was kind enough to point out the mistake I made in one of my two or zero arguments.

Therefore you've already read my two or zero arguments so why do I need to repost any of my two or zero arguments again?

edited: oh, and is it impossible for you to answer a simple question such as "So which is it? Two or zero?"

You haven't answered my question either. What are your arguments for paying for more education?

 

[ksen]

I did re-read the threat. You've postulated two arguments. One countries do it and the one I just quoted where dismal corrected your mistake in your argument.

lol, "mistake in my argument".

You guys are shameless.

Not quite. You haven't made any argument. Yours is, "I like college so we should pay for it"

So which is it? Two or zero?

What are your arguments for why we should pay for more education than we do?

You said you reread the thread and that I've made either two or zero arguments and that dismal was kind enough to point out the mistake I made in one of my two or zero arguments.

Therefore you've already read my two or zero arguments so why do I need to repost any of my two or zero arguments again?

edited: oh, and is it impossible for you to answer a simple question such as "So which is it? Two or zero?"

You haven't answered my question either. What are your arguments for paying for more education?

I asked first. You said I had two arguments and then said I had zero arguments. Which is it?

 

[coloradoatheist]

I did re-read the threat. You've postulated two arguments. One countries do it and the one I just quoted where dismal corrected your mistake in your argument.

lol, "mistake in my argument".

You guys are shameless.

Not quite. You haven't made any argument. Yours is, "I like college so we should pay for it"

So which is it? Two or zero?

What are your arguments for why we should pay for more education than we do?

You said you reread the thread and that I've made either two or zero arguments and that dismal was kind enough to point out the mistake I made in one of my two or zero arguments.

Therefore you've already read my two or zero arguments so why do I need to repost any of my two or zero arguments again?

edited: oh, and is it impossible for you to answer a simple question such as "So which is it? Two or zero?"

You haven't answered my question either. What are your arguments for paying for more education?

I asked first. You said I had two arguments and then said I had zero arguments. Which is it?

I'm trying to understand what your arguments are first before I classify it as one, two, or more arguments.

 

[dismal]

and what proof do you have that Harvard, while a good school, would maximize everyone's education? People learn different things in different ways. And I have already stated my interest in learning through apprenticeship. A person who does best learning in a one on one environment would get the most from an apprenticeship but may struggle and never fully grasp the material if taught in an auditorium with 150 other freshman.

But the point was not so much that everyone need go to Harvard specifically but to some ultra-elite University for which I used Harvard as a proxy.

Surely you would agree that quality matters, and education cannot be maximized at Southern New Hampshire University?

i don't know enough about Southern NH to say Or its faculty or the particular student applying to say one way or the other.

What reason do you have to think that Southern NH University is likely to be as good at educating people as Harvard or other recognized elite universities?

It seems you are just in avoidance mode again.

Maybe you should take some time to think about what you really want to advocate and why and then you can respond to questions about it honestly without all the bobbing and weaving.

The point I am making is not about Harvard or SNHU specifically but that if we want to maximize everyone's education we must give everyone an elite education for life. The intent was not to have a nitpick fest about Harvard.

Do you support giving everyone an elite education for life or not?

Colleges are generally not ranked based on the quality of educators they employ. What makes elite schools elite is the quality of the students they accept.

How much you want to bet that faculty at Harvard is more impressive by any meaningful metric than faculty at Southern New Hampshire University?

 

[dismal]

The fact you can't figure out what it has to do with the topic is a reflection only on you.

I'm pretty sure I'm not the only one wondering how forcing everyone to go to Harvard for free for life has anything to do with the topic of publically funded education at public colleges and universities.

Maybe there's just a step we're missing that only you and coloradoatheist can see.

You see someone earlier mentioned that the goal is to educate people as much as possible.

So I proposed a away of meeting that goal - namely to send every to the most elite university I could think of for life.

Generally, in a normal rational group this would lead to some reflection along the lines of "hmm, well I guess the goal is not *really* to educate people as much as possible" and possible introspection about what the goal actually might be.

Here, of course, you get absurd attempts to avoid any implications, any sort of actual meaningful discussion, and all manner of ridiculous and irrelevant nit picks. And instead of a victory for common sense, common sense goes into a corner and quietly dies of asphyxiation.

 

[fromderinside]

I'm pretty sure I'm not the only one wondering how forcing everyone to go to Harvard for free for life has anything to do with the topic of publically funded education at public colleges and universities.

Maybe there's just a step we're missing that only you and coloradoatheist can see.

You see someone earlier mentioned that the goal is to educate people as much as possible.

So I proposed a away of meeting that goal - namely to send every to the most elite university I could think of for life.

Generally, in a normal rational group this would lead to some reflection along the lines of "hmm, well I guess the goal is not *really* to educate people as much as possible" and possible introspection about what the goal actually might be.

Here, of course, you get absurd attempts to avoid any implications, any sort of actual meaningful discussion, and all manner of ridiculous and irrelevant nit picks. And instead of a victory for common sense, common sense goes into a corner and quietly dies of asphyxiation.

Did anyone tell you yet that your logic is tortured? Maybe you'll learn if you do what you suggest.


... and about common sense don't go to see a redwood because someone has already seen one and discounted seeing any more. It turns out he was talking about seeing anything and republicans have since seen nothing.

 

[dismal]

You see someone earlier mentioned that the goal is to educate people as much as possible.

So I proposed a away of meeting that goal - namely to send every to the most elite university I could think of for life.

Generally, in a normal rational group this would lead to some reflection along the lines of "hmm, well I guess the goal is not *really* to educate people as much as possible" and possible introspection about what the goal actually might be.

Here, of course, you get absurd attempts to avoid any implications, any sort of actual meaningful discussion, and all manner of ridiculous and irrelevant nit picks. And instead of a victory for common sense, common sense goes into a corner and quietly dies of asphyxiation.

Did anyone tell you yet that your logic is tortured? Maybe you'll learn if you do what you suggest.

What is tortured about my logic?

 

[fromderinside]

Did anyone tell you yet that your logic is tortured? Maybe you'll learn if you do what you suggest.

What is tortured about my logic?

Next time wait until I finish my post so you won't have to write something like you just wrote.

 

[fromderinside]

Did anyone tell you yet that your logic is tortured? Maybe you'll learn if you do what you suggest.

What is tortured about my logic?

How tortured is "a away" followed by "send every to"

If a normal group was to respond to that it should have been with something like WTF?

 

[dismal]

What is tortured about my logic?

Next time wait until I finish my post so you won't have to write something like you just wrote.

Ok, when your post is done go ahead and answer the question.

I was tricked into thinking it was finished by the fact you posted it.

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What is tortured about my logic?

How tortured is "a away" followed by "send every to"

If a normal group was to respond to that it should have been with something like WTF?

So the glaring error in my logic is the assumption that people would become more educated if they spent more time at top universities?

 

[ksen]

I'm pretty sure I'm not the only one wondering how forcing everyone to go to Harvard for free for life has anything to do with the topic of publically funded education at public colleges and universities.

Maybe there's just a step we're missing that only you and coloradoatheist can see.

You see someone earlier mentioned that the goal is to educate people as much as possible.

uh huh

So I proposed a away of meeting that goal - namely to send every to the most elite university I could think of for life.

Well, since it is physically impossible to send everyone to Harvard for life maybe you could see how no one was suggesting anything like that.

Generally, in a normal rational group this would lead to some reflection along the lines of "hmm, well I guess the goal is not *really* to educate people as much as possible" and possible introspection about what the goal actually might be.

Generally, in a normal rational group I wouldn't expect to see irrational suggestions like "Let's send everyone to Harvard for life hurrr!"

Here, of course, you get absurd attempts to avoid any implications, any sort of actual meaningful discussion, and all manner of ridiculous and irrelevant nit picks. And instead of a victory for common sense, common sense goes into a corner and quietly dies of asphyxiation.

I agree that this site has its share of absurd posts that try to avoid actual meaningful discussion.

 

[fromderinside]

and what proof do you have that Harvard, while a good school, would maximize everyone's education? People learn different things in different ways. And I have already stated my interest in learning through apprenticeship. A person who does best learning in a one on one environment would get the most from an apprenticeship but may struggle and never fully grasp the material if taught in an auditorium with 150 other freshman.

But the point was not so much that everyone need go to Harvard specifically but to some ultra-elite University for which I used Harvard as a proxy.

Surely you would agree that quality matters, and education cannot be maximized at Southern New Hampshire University?

i don't know enough about Southern NH to say Or its faculty or the particular student applying to say one way or the other.

What reason do you have to think that Southern NH University is likely to be as good at educating people as Harvard or other recognized elite universities?

It seems you are just in avoidance mode again.

Maybe you should take some time to think about what you really want to advocate and why and then you can respond to questions about it honestly without all the bobbing and weaving.

The point I am making is not about Harvard or SNHU specifically but that if we want to maximize everyone's education we must give everyone an elite education for life. The intent was not to have a nitpick fest about Harvard.

Do you support giving everyone an elite education for life or not?

Colleges are generally not ranked based on the quality of educators they employ. What makes elite schools elite is the quality of the students they accept.

How much you want to bet that faculty at Harvard is more impressive by any meaningful metric than faculty at Southern New Hampshire University?

Why not compare Harvard with Reed. Reed's not even ranked by USNEWS&WORLDREPORT. Me? I think the school that has the top percentage of undergrads that go on to grad school pretty impressive.

 

[coloradoatheist]

You see someone earlier mentioned that the goal is to educate people as much as possible.

uh huh

So I proposed a away of meeting that goal - namely to send every to the most elite university I could think of for life.

Well, since it is physically impossible to send everyone to Harvard for life maybe you could see how no one was suggesting anything like that.

Generally, in a normal rational group this would lead to some reflection along the lines of "hmm, well I guess the goal is not *really* to educate people as much as possible" and possible introspection about what the goal actually might be.

Generally, in a normal rational group I wouldn't expect to see irrational suggestions like "Let's send everyone to Harvard for life hurrr!"

Here, of course, you get absurd attempts to avoid any implications, any sort of actual meaningful discussion, and all manner of ridiculous and irrelevant nit picks. And instead of a victory for common sense, common sense goes into a corner and quietly dies of asphyxiation.

I agree that this site has its share of absurd posts that try to avoid actual meaningful discussion.

Your second summary sums up dismals argument. We can't guarantee that everyone has as much education as possible without paying for it, so we have tradeoffs. Your argument should then by. I believe college is a necessary expenditure because....

 

[fromderinside]

uh huh

So I proposed a away of meeting that goal - namely to send every to the most elite university I could think of for life.

Well, since it is physically impossible to send everyone to Harvard for life maybe you could see how no one was suggesting anything like that.

Generally, in a normal rational group this would lead to some reflection along the lines of "hmm, well I guess the goal is not *really* to educate people as much as possible" and possible introspection about what the goal actually might be.

Generally, in a normal rational group I wouldn't expect to see irrational suggestions like "Let's send everyone to Harvard for life hurrr!"

Here, of course, you get absurd attempts to avoid any implications, any sort of actual meaningful discussion, and all manner of ridiculous and irrelevant nit picks. And instead of a victory for common sense, common sense goes into a corner and quietly dies of asphyxiation.

I agree that this site has its share of absurd posts that try to avoid actual meaningful discussion.

Your second summary sums up dismals argument. We can't guarantee that everyone has as much education as possible without paying for it, so we have tradeoffs. Your argument should then by. I believe college is a necessary expenditure because....

Geez. It thought it was my job when given the opportunity to get further education to develop means whereby I could continue to educate myself after such training.

 

[dismal]

Well, since it is physically impossible to send everyone to Harvard for life maybe you could see how no one was suggesting anything like that.

And what exactly makes it impossible for us to send everyone to an elite Harvard-equivalent school for life?

 

[fromderinside]

Well, since it is physically impossible to send everyone to Harvard for life maybe you could see how no one was suggesting anything like that.

And what exactly makes it impossible for us to send everyone to an elite Harvard-equivalent school for life?

'We' have to give up our attraction to worrying about national debt for one thing.

 

[ksen]

Well, since it is physically impossible to send everyone to Harvard for life maybe you could see how no one was suggesting anything like that.

And what exactly makes it impossible for us to send everyone to an elite Harvard-equivalent school for life?

So now we've moved on from Harvard to Harvard-equivalent?

 

[dismal]

And what exactly makes it impossible for us to send everyone to an elite Harvard-equivalent school for life?

So now we've moved on from Harvard to Harvard-equivalent?

This is that nitpicking thing again. You can do that, or try to engage in an actual discussion about the point that is raised.

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And what exactly makes it impossible for us to send everyone to an elite Harvard-equivalent school for life?

'We' have to give up our attraction to worrying about national debt for one thing.

I don't understand your point. Are you saying we don't have enough money to send everyone to an elite school for life?

 

[fromderinside]

So now we've moved on from Harvard to Harvard-equivalent?

This is that nitpicking thing again. You can do that, or try to engage in an actual discussion about the point that is raised.

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And what exactly makes it impossible for us to send everyone to an elite Harvard-equivalent school for life?

'We' have to give up our attraction to worrying about national debt for one thing.

I don't understand your point. Are you saying we don't have enough money to send everyone to an elite school for life?

No I'm not saying that because government can make as much money as the people will tolerate. I'm saying there is a fiction out there that we'll all suffer hyperinflation, deflation, ruin, Armageddon, or something worse if we do just print enough money to send everyone to Harvard for life, provide enough qualified professors to teach everybody at Harvard for life, and find enough positions for people who are trained over their lives to provide the fiction that they are actually benefiting. As I wrote earlier the practical solution is tor train everybody to educate themselves. Didn't take me that long.