How to prepare for the coming science of genetic racial variations, and a summary of the full case for the genetics of racial differences in intellige

[crazyfingers]

I say UGH.

Now I will unsubscribe to the thread.

 

[ApostateAbe]

I am adding an eighth talking point. The suggestion came from someone on Facebook.

(8) EVERYONE BELONGS TO THE SAME SPECIES. Though there can be infinitely many racial subdivisions, there is one race that unites us all: the human race. The best moral systems apply to ALL members of this race.

 

[Togo]

How many more threads about this are you going to post?

This is the first one I've seen where he attempts to lay out a logical and empirical argument to support the hypothesis. Have there been any others?

Yes. Most of these points have already been raised in a series of threads on the science forums, where they were shot down. Hence the move to the politics boards. This is the first time he has put it forward all at once though.

They don't seem any more compelling en masse than they did individually.

 

[bleubird]

I for one need to have dumb people around me,just to make me feel better about myself.

 

[AthenaAwakened]

Hmm... this reminds me of the Young Earth Creationist organization (I can't even remember their name anymore) that was promising a huge discovery in the next year or so.



...nothing came of it.
Yeah, this was a big thing in the early half of the 20th century. Kind of died off after a while.

You must be referring to eugenics. Not quite the same as genetic engineering, but close. It died off with Hitler.

No it didn't.

But, genetic engineering has become a fully proven method in agricultural crops. As humans are just another species, there are no scientific reasons the method cannot be applied to humans. Only politics, and the politics of the world are diverse.

There are more reasons than one

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

Hmm... this reminds me of the Young Earth Creationist organization (I can't even remember their name anymore) that was promising a huge discovery in the next year or so.



...nothing came of it.
Yeah, this was a big thing in the early half of the 20th century. Kind of died off after a while.

You must be referring to eugenics. Not quite the same as genetic engineering, but close. It died off with Hitler. But, genetic engineering has become a fully proven method in agricultural crops. As humans are just another species, there are no scientific reasons the method cannot be applied to humans.

You mean other than the mistakes can be potentially very costly. You screw up a corn, not a big deal. Screw up a baby because you think you know what you are doing? Kind of an atrocity.

 

[Sarpedon]

I will prepare for this coming science in the same way I am preparing for the coming of fusion power.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

I will prepare for this coming science in the same way I am preparing for the coming of fusion power.

Fusion is at least within the realm of possibility. I'd more likely parallel it with anti-matter weapons.

 

[Tom Sawyer]

I will prepare for this coming science in the same way I am preparing for the coming of fusion power.

Fusion is at least within the realm of possibility. I'd more likely parallel it with anti-matter weapons.

Anti-matter weapons are theoretically possible. What's that one where they feel the bumps on your head in order to diagnose diseases or whatever? That's probably a better comparison.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

Fusion is at least within the realm of possibility. I'd more likely parallel it with anti-matter weapons.

Anti-matter weapons are theoretically possible.

Only if you could harvest enough anti-particles in the first place, which is near impossible.

What's that one where they feel the bumps on your head in order to diagnose diseases or whatever? That's probably a better comparison.

Or maybe eugenics?

 

[Keith&Co.]

It is my own particular hobby horse, so feel perfectly free to ignore it if you are not interested. This is the first thread where I have laid out the evidence comprehensively.

Looks more to me like you've posted an IOU for the evidence they're going to find....someday.

 

[Keith&Co.]

(7) WE CAN SOLVE THE GENETIC RACE GAPS. We have the option of finally narrowing the divisive racial IQ gaps through democratically-directed genetic engineering.

How about other race gaps?
Can we use genetic engineering to conquer the divisive racial penis gaps? Will there be democratically-directed gene-gineering to make sure everyone's playing in the same league?

 

[Sarpedon]

My point is that I have done absolutely nothing to prepare for fusion power.

 

[Keith&Co.]

My point is that I have done absolutely nothing to prepare for fusion power.

Do you have a fone?
Because if it's anything like solar power, you'll get sixteen calls a week from people that are prepared to solve your fusion power problems.
You're as prepared as you need to be

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

My point is that I have done absolutely nothing to prepare for fusion power.

I'd recommend getting a little sunscreen.

 

[Keith&Co.]

You mean other than the mistakes can be potentially very costly. You screw up a corn, not a big deal. Screw up a baby because you think you know what you are doing? Kind of an atrocity.

This also makes me think about evolution. Most everything that exists in evolved species is there for a reason. Could be pure accident or there may be some benefit in a particular set of genes.
Are blacks of a given genetic IQ as part of a package deal? If we democratically alter their IQ, is there a cost we haven't anticipated? .

 

[Duke Leto]

I for one need to have dumb people around me,just to make me feel better about myself.

How close do you live to Wasilla?

 

[ApostateAbe]

It is my own particular hobby horse, so feel perfectly free to ignore it if you are not interested. This is the first thread where I have laid out the evidence comprehensively.

Looks more to me like you've posted an IOU for the evidence they're going to find....someday.

No, I explained the existing case for the heritability of the racial intelligence gaps, no IOU. The identifications of genes are the only evidence that will convince the ideological western public, but accurate heritability studies existed long before anyone knew DNA existed. The evidence for the heritability of the racial intelligence gaps is likewise strong, whether we like it or not (nobody I know likes it).

 

[fromderinside]

Looks more to me like you've posted an IOU for the evidence they're going to find....someday.

No, I explained the existing case for the heritability of the racial intelligence gaps, no IOU. The identifications of genes are the only evidence that will convince the ideological western public, but accurate heritability studies existed long before anyone knew DNA existed. The evidence for the heritability of the racial intelligence gaps is likewise strong, whether we like it or not (nobody I know likes it).

What this figure suggests to me is that fitness is higher in Africa, Asia particularly southeast Asia, South America, and Oceania than elsewhere.

What my other readings tell me is that as incomes go up and starvation goes down fitness by these indices drop. Conclusions: we are entering a period where incomes are dropping in the western world while they are increasing in Asia and south America and our water supplies are deteriorating so the food advantage is beginning to drop. Consequently fitness will increase a little in Europe and America while it declines in most of the rest of the world except Africa where it will again increase, leaving the birthplace of man the center for robust genetic variation with exceptional advances in fitness compared to the rest of the world. Oops.*

*^{_{another bit of evidence we can make anything we want to mean what we cant it to mean.}}

 

[ApostateAbe]

You mean other than the mistakes can be potentially very costly. You screw up a corn, not a big deal. Screw up a baby because you think you know what you are doing? Kind of an atrocity.

This also makes me think about evolution. Most everything that exists in evolved species is there for a reason. Could be pure accident or there may be some benefit in a particular set of genes.
Are blacks of a given genetic IQ as part of a package deal? If we democratically alter their IQ, is there a cost we haven't anticipated? .

There is something to be said for that point. Rushton's plausible theory is that tropical races adapted to their chaotic unpredictable climates through greater reproductive rates. Greater intelligence may actually be an impediment to that strategy, as children are costly and a threat to the survival of adults. Maybe a case can be made that the ancestors of Polynesians and Australian Aborigines living in northern climates had greater intelligence than their modern descendents, in which case we would know that low intelligence is a positive adaptation, not a lack of adaptation. If civilization completely breaks down through a nuclear winter or whatever, it may be greater reproductivity, not greater intelligence, that ensures the survival of the human species.