The UN admits rockets were fired from the schools in Gaza

[Loren Pechtel]

http://blog.unwatch.org/index.php/2...ikely-used-school-premises-to-launch-attacks/

You guys took the denials at the time as the word of god. Looks like you were listening to satan instead.

 

[untermensche]

And what do you think that permitted Israel to do?

Did those rockets pose any threat to any Israeli not involved in the brutal invasion of Palestinian lands?

If I break into your home can I lawfully shoot you if you point a gun at me?

 

[Jayjay]

And what do you think that permitted Israel to do?

Did those rockets pose any threat to any Israeli not involved in the brutal invasion of Palestinian lands?

If I break into your home can I lawfully shoot you if you point a gun at me?

The question is not whether it's ok for you to shoot the intruder, it's whether it's ok to shoot the intruder using your own children as human shields. UNRWA quite rightly should have zero tolerance policy of its facilities being used as weapons stockpiles or launchpads. Any school that does it should be closed, and the school administrators dismissed.

Hamas may be a pack of rabid dogs, but that doesn't mean UN has to be.

 

[untermensche]

And what do you think that permitted Israel to do?

Did those rockets pose any threat to any Israeli not involved in the brutal invasion of Palestinian lands?

If I break into your home can I lawfully shoot you if you point a gun at me?

The question is not whether it's ok for you to shoot the intruder, it's whether it's ok to shoot the intruder using your own children as human shields. UNRWA quite rightly should have zero tolerance policy of its facilities being used as weapons stockpiles or launchpads. Any school that does it should be closed, and the school administrators dismissed.

Hamas may be a pack of rabid dogs, but that doesn't mean UN has to be.

The intruder has no rights.

It is no crime to use any means to prevent naked aggression.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

http://blog.unwatch.org/index.php/2...ikely-used-school-premises-to-launch-attacks/

You guys took the denials at the time as the word of god. Looks like you were listening to satan instead.

Fired from unused schools. About 40 or 50 people killed at the used schools.

 

[Arctish]

Inquiry says Israel fired on seven UN Gaza schools in 2014 war

(Reuters) - Israel fired on seven United Nations schools during the 2014 Gaza war, killing 44 Palestinians who had sought shelter at some sites, while Palestinian militants hid weapons and launched attacks from several empty U.N. schools, a U.N. inquiry found.

"I deplore the fact that at least 44 Palestinians were killed as a result of Israeli actions and at least 227 injured at United Nations premises being used as emergency shelters," U.N. Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon wrote in a letter on Monday accompanying a summary of the inquiry's findings.

"I am dismayed that Palestinian militant groups would put United Nations schools at risk by using them to hide their arms," Ban wrote, adding that in two cases, the militants had probably fired from the schools....

...The U.N. inquiry found that six of the seven schools hit by Israel were designated emergency shelters. The three schools used by Palestinian militants to hide weapons, and in some cases, launch attacks, were not being used as emergency shelters.

Hamas definitely crossed the line when it used UN facilities to store weapons. But I don't think Hamas' storing weapons in unused schools exonerates Israel for blowing up the ones being used as shelters, especially when rockets were not being fired from them.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

And what do you think that permitted Israel to do?

Did those rockets pose any threat to any Israeli not involved in the brutal invasion of Palestinian lands?

If I break into your home can I lawfully shoot you if you point a gun at me?

Earth to untermensche:

The rockets are aimed at Israeli civilians, not at troops invading Gaza. Hamas rockets are only aimed at big things--once in a while military bases but almost always cities.

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The question is not whether it's ok for you to shoot the intruder, it's whether it's ok to shoot the intruder using your own children as human shields. UNRWA quite rightly should have zero tolerance policy of its facilities being used as weapons stockpiles or launchpads. Any school that does it should be closed, and the school administrators dismissed.

Hamas may be a pack of rabid dogs, but that doesn't mean UN has to be.

The intruder has no rights.

It is no crime to use any means to prevent naked aggression.

The equivalent is you breaking into my home and I respond by shooting your children.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

Earth to untermensche:

The rockets are aimed at Israeli civilians...

Aren't the rockets aimed crudely in the direction of Israel? Aiming at civilians would be novelty of technology they don't have.

 

[Ford]

http://blog.unwatch.org/index.php/2...ikely-used-school-premises-to-launch-attacks/

You guys took the denials at the time as the word of god. Looks like you were listening to satan instead.

Satan? God?


An odd accusation considering the context of this forum. Which leads me to a question I highly doubt you'll answer.

The fight over the Israel/Palestine issue is deeply rooted in religious belief. The Israelis believe God granted them the land. The Palestinians believe more or less exactly the opposite.

You, Loren, are near as I can tell neither a believer in God (or Satan for that matter) and if I'm not mistaken are also not Jewish. Yet you are by far the most ardent defender of Israel on this forum. To the point of being an apologist for the Israeli government in my opinion.

So...what dog do you have in this fight? Usually the only people who defend Israel as strongly as you do are people of Jewish descent (understandable), evangelical Christians who believe Israel plays a key role in the Rapture, and politicians who are beholden to the pro-Israel lobby. You are - again near as I can tell - not any of those things.


So what gives?



Thanks, and I'll take my answer off the air.

 

[Crazy Eddie]

http://blog.unwatch.org/index.php/2...ikely-used-school-premises-to-launch-attacks/

You guys took the denials at the time as the word of god. Looks like you were listening to satan instead.

The U.N. conceded that WHEN IT HAPPENED. And we all saw that at the time: Hamas militants had fired rockets from the neighborhood within a few hundred to a few dozen meters of the school. That's never really been up for debate.

But Israel wasn't claiming the rockets were fired from the vicinity of the school. They were claiming the rockets were STORED there and Hamas was secretly using the school as a base from which to launch the actual rockets (as opposed to, say, firing them from trucks that parked for 5 minutes at that location, fired and then moved on; as opposed to rocket launchers planted there on a timer and concealed so that the rocket crews would be long gone before the weapons even fired).

You are, in fact, conflating two separate incidents and claiming they are part of the same action. They're not. Israel shelled schools that were being used as shelters because they believed -- erroneously -- that the schools THEMSELVES were launch sites; doing so caused unnecessary and inexcusable loss of life for Palestinian refugees, your latest attempts to justify them notwithstanding.

I know that "Israel War Crime Apology" is one of your favorite sports, but let's go ahead and put that goalpost right back where it belongs, kay?

 

[untermensche]

Earth to untermensche:

The rockets are aimed at Israeli civilians, not at troops invading Gaza. Hamas rockets are only aimed at big things--once in a while military bases but almost always cities.

The rockets the Palestinians have can't reach Israel from where you say they were. They posed absolutely no threat to Israel.

The intruder has no rights.

It is no crime to use any means to prevent naked aggression.

The equivalent is you breaking into my home and I respond by shooting your children.

Israel was the intruded, and murderer of children.

You simply want to give Israel the power to do anything to anyone.

 

[Jayjay]

The question is not whether it's ok for you to shoot the intruder, it's whether it's ok to shoot the intruder using your own children as human shields. UNRWA quite rightly should have zero tolerance policy of its facilities being used as weapons stockpiles or launchpads. Any school that does it should be closed, and the school administrators dismissed.

Hamas may be a pack of rabid dogs, but that doesn't mean UN has to be.

The intruder has no rights.

It is no crime to use any means to prevent naked aggression.

Then we are in agreement: Hamas has no right to intrude UN schools, and UN is entitled to use any means necessary (including firing personnel, shutting down schools and cutting funding) to stop the intrusion.

 

[Togo]

Are the teachers and staff being employed by Hamas, or by the UN? My understanding was that it was Hamas, as the local government, who employ everyone, and then the UN are responsible for the building, equipment and materials.

If my country was being occupied and colonised by a foreign power, I'm not sure I'd see anything wrong with firing missiles at them.

 

[TSwizzle]

Uh-oh, somebody is going to be out of a job.

 

[untermensche]

The intruder has no rights.

It is no crime to use any means to prevent naked aggression.

Then we are in agreement: Hamas has no right to intrude UN schools, and UN is entitled to use any means necessary (including firing personnel, shutting down schools and cutting funding) to stop the intrusion.

So you think Hamas was a greater intruder than Israel?

Your world is upside down.

 

[Jayjay]

Then we are in agreement: Hamas has no right to intrude UN schools, and UN is entitled to use any means necessary (including firing personnel, shutting down schools and cutting funding) to stop the intrusion.

So you think Hamas was a greater intruder than Israel?

Your world is upside down.

The issue is not who was the "greater" intruder; The UN report condemned both. But Hamas using UNRWA schools as weapons caches and launchpads is going to make them, and even schools that don't have weapons, likelier targets. This is why UN should have zero tolerance policy towards it. I also hope that if ICC decrees that it has jurisdiction to investigate events of last summer's war in Gaza, it will not let these findings go unnoticed.

 

[laughing dog]

So you think Hamas was a greater intruder than Israel?

Your world is upside down.

The issue is not who was the "greater" intruder; The UN report condemned both. But Hamas using UNRWA schools as weapons caches and launchpads is going to make them, and even schools that don't have weapons, likelier targets. This is why UN should have zero tolerance policy towards it.

What would a zero tolerance policy entail? That the UNRWA pull out of Gaza? Because the UNRWA already does not permit such weaponry.

I also hope that if ICC decrees that it has jurisdiction to investigate events of last summer's war in Gaza, it will not let these findings go unnoticed.

Me too.

 

[Jayjay]

The issue is not who was the "greater" intruder; The UN report condemned both. But Hamas using UNRWA schools as weapons caches and launchpads is going to make them, and even schools that don't have weapons, likelier targets. This is why UN should have zero tolerance policy towards it.

What would a zero tolerance policy entail? That the UNRWA pull out of Gaza? Because the UNRWA already does not permit such weaponry.

I think firing the people involved, and making all the findings public (as they have, just hope it happened a bit sooner) are the main tools that UN has at its disposal. Shutting down schools is the last resort.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

Earth to untermensche:

The rockets are aimed at Israeli civilians...

Aren't the rockets aimed crudely in the direction of Israel? Aiming at civilians would be novelty of technology they don't have.

They're almost always aimed at Israeli population centers. A city lacking a substantial military facility is civilian.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

http://blog.unwatch.org/index.php/2...ikely-used-school-premises-to-launch-attacks/

You guys took the denials at the time as the word of god. Looks like you were listening to satan instead.

Satan? God?


An odd accusation considering the context of this forum. Which leads me to a question I highly doubt you'll answer.

I was using it as in the context of being infallible, not specifically a religious usage.

The fight over the Israel/Palestine issue is deeply rooted in religious belief. The Israelis believe God granted them the land. The Palestinians believe more or less exactly the opposite.

So...what dog do you have in this fight? Usually the only people who defend Israel as strongly as you do are people of Jewish descent (understandable), evangelical Christians who believe Israel plays a key role in the Rapture, and politicians who are beholden to the pro-Israel lobby. You are - again near as I can tell - not any of those things.

I'm very much anti-terrorist. In the long run I consider terrorism to be a far greater threat than most everyone else on here--the more technically advanced we become the greater the damage terrorists can do. We are approaching the point that terrorists could deploy some very nasty bioweapons. (The only smallpox samples in the world are locked up very securely--but the smallpox genome is out there on the internet. We are at the point that someone sufficiently skilled can convert that text file into the real thing.)