Jobs will still exist doing things machines can't. It's just there won't be enough to go around and many people will not be suitable for anything other than perhaps conspicuous consumption type jobs (using a human where a machine could do the job.)
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Jobs will still exist doing things machines can't. It's just there won't be enough to go around and many people will not be suitable for anything other than perhaps conspicuous consumption type jobs (using a human where a machine could do the job.)
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If properly encouraged there are plenty of jobs around for every capability to be properly compensated. The problem isn't available products to match people. The problem is how compensation is determined with a bias toward rewarding industrialized investment. Remove having dollars as candidate for compensation and dollars go to products by people to produce return.
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A job you love doing instead of being forced to do.
A job that pays less than a living wage, and that's alright, because you still get UBI.
Or a necessary job that few other people want to do, but that now pays a lot better than it used to.
Axulus
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Would you destroy the looms to make more work for people?
arkirk
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Better splain yourself! Outsourcing is just another word for abandoning operations in one area to make more profit in another area.... It is abandoning the workers and their looms. In the end, there is some kind of fairness balance that has to get established....something that still does not exist in our society and definitely not in your mind...something that could exist...more democracy in the workplace.
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Nail on head. Fairness is problem with 'free' market. Willing buyer willing seller. Got it. No product (labor supply), too much product (labor supply) problem to be overcome. Fairness is the arrangement of establishing markets where all can play. making markets that favor money or instruments over those for which the market is meant to operate breaks the back of the market. Got to decide. Is it money or is it a fully engaged market of buyers and sellers. Is it money or is it people that are the market. This fairness thing only applies to people so I guess you're on the side of the market is about people.
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You aren't making us choose Axulus. Utopia or Robotic economics are both wish ponds 'just so' crowd who live in mostly cloistered situations under close guard.
arkirk
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You know, the solution to this kind of problem is so amazingly simple. It is called by those who hate it...protectionism. You want to outsource then pay a stiff tariff that compensates for the lost jobs. What I think we need to do is ON SHORING....manufacturing that could be done in America should be supported and promoted. If we choose to help other peoples in the world, then so be it, but we have to drop this bullshit "This is a win win!" because it is not so. It has been corporations win and workers on both sides of the pond lose. What really is at issue here is simply accuracy in accounting for what actually is happening.
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You think these underhanded agreements will carry the day in the end? I think they will have to be broken and abrogated if they ever get completed because they are entirely undemocratic and governments will have to reassert their sovereignty. The world will not sit idly by and let this collection of elite money parasites write all our rules. They may get things into a completed form but things like TPP are headed for the worst form of failure. They exist only to protect the wealth of the wealthy. Those are the only people who have any input into it. The TPP is actually a sneak attack on the working people in the nations who agree to it by corporate and transnational financiers.
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We do seem to do a lot of that. But then, we are not all cozy and connected yet. Most social and environmental problems simply cook until they become too onerous for people to continue to live with them. My point is that TPP is one of those issues that is headed in that direction with a lot of rather terrible social consequences rising from sitting idly by. The consequences are on the way the moment it gets approved and that will be its undoing along with possibly a lot of people. That's what is so bad about these things...Multiple thousands of pages of text...protecting all sorts of so called "Intellectual Property." Pages overturning environmental laws and demanding payment for "lost profits." TPP is a sickness of the wealthy seeking to protect their wealth at every turn regardless of the environmental and social costs of doing so.