Why police are weary during stops and quick to respond when attacked

[Derec]

Dashcam Video Shows Florida Deputy Getting Punched, Shot During Traffic Stop

Indian River County Sheriff's Deputy Christopher Lester pulled over Andrew Coffee, 52, Thursday night for not having a tag on his moped, according to the sheriff's office.
Lester's dashcam camera captured the deputy requesting Coffee, who has a long, violent criminal record, to put his hand on the hood of his patrol car multiple times after warning him: "Don't go reaching for anything." In the video, Coffee briefly puts his hands on the hood, but then removes them and repeatedly asks, "what's the problem."
Without warning, Coffee socks Lester in the face.
The suspect then "drew a revolver from his waistband and fired," according to a statement from the Indian River County Sheriff's Office.

Lester is going to be fine and he managed to shoot the perp as well, so there is a good ending to the story. Would have been even better if Lester had managed to shoot first - you know, like Han.
#bluelivesmatter

 

[AthenaAwakened]

Dashcam Video Shows Florida Deputy Getting Punched, Shot During Traffic Stop

Indian River County Sheriff's Deputy Christopher Lester pulled over Andrew Coffee, 52, Thursday night for not having a tag on his moped, according to the sheriff's office.
Lester's dashcam camera captured the deputy requesting Coffee, who has a long, violent criminal record, to put his hand on the hood of his patrol car multiple times after warning him: "Don't go reaching for anything." In the video, Coffee briefly puts his hands on the hood, but then removes them and repeatedly asks, "what's the problem."
Without warning, Coffee socks Lester in the face.
The suspect then "drew a revolver from his waistband and fired," according to a statement from the Indian River County Sheriff's Office.

Lester is going to be fine and he managed to shoot the perp as well, so there is a good ending to the story.
#bluelivesmatter

So if we lock away Andrew Coffee, no more worries.

Glad to clear this up.

What is it that you are trying to say?

What new and startling revelation are you trying to bring to the table?

That police work is dangerous?

No shit Sherlock!

That cops need to be able to shoot back?

Well, DUH!

Has there been a thread that said cops should not shoot back or that police work isn't dangerous?

 

[ZiprHead]

I get weary when I miss my bedtime.

 

[crispy]

I guess that justifies all the people who have wrongly been shot.

 

[T.G.G. Moogly]

What is Derec's point, other than, "Hey! Got my dopamine high! Is there supposed to be something unusual about this incident?

 

[SimpleDon]

I don't know. Possibly that there is an acceptable ratio of preemptive, cautionary shootings of unarmed and non-violent people to justified shootings?

 

[Tom Sawyer]

What is Derec's point, other than, "Hey! Got my dopamine high! Is there supposed to be something unusual about this incident?

If think it's along the lines of that sometimes people break into houses, so therefore it's cool to shoot your girlfriend through the bathroom door because you heard a noise in their during the night.

 

[Derec]

I don't know. Possibly that there is an acceptable ratio of preemptive, cautionary shootings of unarmed and non-violent people to justified shootings?

Non-violent? While some of the people involved in the recent controversial shootings were unarmed (Michael Brown, or Jamar Clark), they certainly were not non-violent. Others, like Laquan McDonald or Mario Woods were armed with a knife. Yet others, like Nicholas Robertson, Nate Wilks, Vonderritt Myers or Antonio Martin had guns and yet they still caused BLM protests in their respective cities.

 

[Derec]

So if we lock away Andrew Coffee, no more worries.

Unfortunately there are many more like him.

That police work is dangerous?

Not only that it is dangerous, but that a situation can deteriorate very quickly, and the officer must react in a split second. Judging police based on hindsight or frame-by-frame analysis of videos is thus not exactly fair.

That cops need to be able to shoot back?

Not only back, but also first, like Han Solo.
Or do you think police should be required to take fire before being able to use deadly force?
If Lester shot Coffee after the punch and Coffee turned out to be unarmed (except for his fists), would he have become another #BLM darling? Florida has good protestin' weather this time of year.

 

[laughing dog]

Dashcam Video Shows Florida Deputy Getting Punched, Shot During Traffic Stop

Indian River County Sheriff's Deputy Christopher Lester pulled over Andrew Coffee, 52, Thursday night for not having a tag on his moped, according to the sheriff's office.
Lester's dashcam camera captured the deputy requesting Coffee, who has a long, violent criminal record, to put his hand on the hood of his patrol car multiple times after warning him: "Don't go reaching for anything." In the video, Coffee briefly puts his hands on the hood, but then removes them and repeatedly asks, "what's the problem."
Without warning, Coffee socks Lester in the face.
The suspect then "drew a revolver from his waistband and fired," according to a statement from the Indian River County Sheriff's Office.

Lester is going to be fine and he managed to shoot the perp as well, so there is a good ending to the story. Would have been even better if Lester had managed to shoot first - you know, like Han.
#bluelivesmatter

This OP explains why rational humans who frequent this forum are weary. Summary executions for truculence - wow.

 

[Derec]

Summary executions for truculence - wow.

There is a difference between a justified police shooting and self defense and a "summary execution" which implies somebody being killed while restrained and not posing any immediate threat. Besides, the perp survived too.

Anyhoo, I wonder if Truculent-Americans will catch on as PC term for "thug" ...

 

[hurtinbuckaroo]

Why do so many people have so much trouble with "weary" vs. "wary"? Is it a regional thing?

 

[laughing dog]

Summary executions for truculence - wow.

There is a difference between a justified police shooting and self defense and a "summary execution" which implies somebody being killed while restrained and not posing any immediate threat. Besides, the perp survived too.

Anyhoo, I wonder if Truculent-Americans will catch on as PC term for "thug" ...

You wrote "Shoot first" which could be interpreted as shooting before this person even swung - an attitude very consistent with your posts, especially when the victim is a black man.

 

[AthenaAwakened]

Unfortunately there are many more like him.

That police work is dangerous?

Not only that it is dangerous, but that a situation can deteriorate very quickly, and the officer must react in a split second. Judging police based on hindsight or frame-by-frame analysis of videos is thus not exactly fair.

That cops need to be able to shoot back?

Not only back, but also first, like Han Solo.
Or do you think police should be required to take fire before being able to use deadly force?
If Lester shot Coffee after the punch and Coffee turned out to be unarmed (except for his fists), would he have become another #BLM darling? Florida has good protestin' weather this time of year.

Simply because there are bad guys who shoot police, that does not give police the right to shoot unarmed citizens with impunity.

list 10 such shootings, 100, 1000, 1,000,000, it won't matter. It won't make the killing of even one unarmed citizen righteous.

 

[SimpleDon]

I don't know. Possibly that there is an acceptable ratio of preemptive, cautionary shootings of unarmed and non-violent people to justified shootings?

Non-violent? While some of the people involved in the recent controversial shootings were unarmed (Michael Brown, or Jamar Clark), they certainly were not non-violent. Others, like Laquan McDonald or Mario Woods were armed with a knife. Yet others, like Nicholas Robertson, Nate Wilks, Vonderritt Myers or Antonio Martin had guns and yet they still caused BLM protests in their respective cities.

So you didn't have a point with the OP? Or is it that while you don't believe that the police are justified in shooting unarmed and non-violent people, they are in shooting unarmed but violent ones?

 

[Derec]

You wrote "Shoot first" which could be interpreted as shooting before this person even swung

It means "before the other guy shot". And while the perp exhibited hostile behavior before he punched the cop, deadly force would not have been justified at that point, although force would be.

- an attitude very consistent with your posts, especially when the victim is a black man.

And calling the perp a "victim" is very consistent with your posts, especially when the perp is a black man.

And you are not the only one. Even though this is a very clear cut case, there is inexplicably still some dindufication going on.

“It’s crazy how it happened,” said Roderick Scott, 35, the son of the man accused of wounding the deputy. “I don’t understand how it happened, from you going to the store on a scooter. What was the point of stopping him?”

Yeah, a career thug punching and shooting a police officer is not the problem. Police officer doing his job and stopping a scooterist for not having a licence plate is the problem.

“He wants to do better for his kids and his grandkids,” Scott said. “It’s been rough, but he finds different jobs in landscaping on a daily basis.”

Seen this movie before: "turning his life around", probably also "going to church every week" and perhaps even "an aspiring rapper".

“When I left him, he didn’t have no gun,” Scott said. “He doesn’t carry weapons at all. He doesn’t have any enemies. He doesn’t feel threatened by anyone.”

And yet he had a gun and used it on Lester.

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Simply because there are bad guys who shoot police, that does not give police the right to shoot unarmed citizens with impunity.
list 10 such shootings, 100, 1000, 1,000,000, it won't matter. It won't make the killing of even one unarmed citizen righteous.

Unarmed doesn't mean "not a threat".

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Why do so many people have so much trouble with "weary" vs. "wary"? Is it a regional thing?

In my case it is.

 

[AthenaAwakened]

Simply because there are bad guys who shoot police, that does not give police the right to shoot unarmed citizens with impunity.
list 10 such shootings, 100, 1000, 1,000,000, it won't matter. It won't make the killing of even one unarmed citizen righteous.

Unarmed doesn't mean "not a threat".

Which says what about what I posted?

the existence of bad guys is not enough to give police a pass on shooting unarmed citizens.

you know this. that is why whenever there is a posting about such shooting, you go grasping high and low (mostly low) for any straw (or strawman) that will paint the victim as some way (ANY WAY) deserving of death.

 

[SimpleDon]

Why do so many people have so much trouble with "weary" vs. "wary"? Is it a regional thing?

I didn't call it out because it is such a common error and it was obvious that the OP wasn't about tired policemen.

 

[laughing dog]

And calling the perp a "victim" is very consistent with your posts, especially when the perp is a black man.

It calling someone who is shot a "victim" is consistent with basic English usage. Whether the person deserves to be shot is irrelevant: he or she is a shooting victim. Your disdain for black shooting victims is wearisome.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

Unfortunately there are many more like him.


Not only that it is dangerous, but that a situation can deteriorate very quickly, and the officer must react in a split second. Judging police based on hindsight or frame-by-frame analysis of videos is thus not exactly fair.

That cops need to be able to shoot back?

Not only back, but also first, like Han Solo.
Or do you think police should be required to take fire before being able to use deadly force?
If Lester shot Coffee after the punch and Coffee turned out to be unarmed (except for his fists), would he have become another #BLM darling? Florida has good protestin' weather this time of year.

Simply because there are bad guys who shoot police, that does not give police the right to shoot unarmed citizens with impunity.

list 10 such shootings, 100, 1000, 1,000,000, it won't matter. It won't make the killing of even one unarmed citizen righteous.

There's no such thing as perfection. There will be some unjustified shootings of suspects, there will be some police dying at the hands of suspects.