Professors in Poverty

[fromderinside]

I think you are lying and even if you don't you are still full of shit because you clearly don't have any relevant experience.

OK boys. The thread is full up with bullshit. I'm calling for the BS removal crew to shut it down before it becomes a toxic waste dump.

 

[laughing dog]

I think you are lying and even if you don't you are still full of shit because you clearly don't have any relevant experience.

You have not presented any shred of actual disinterested or verifiable evidence to support your claims that Russian universities are magnitudes better than American ones. My experience with people who have direct relevant experience leads me to believe that Russian universities are not magnitudes better than US universities. Unlike you, I do not claim my belief is infallible. The tenor of your responses are more consistent with someone has been called out for his ignorance than someone who has the facts on his side.

 

[barbos]

I think you are lying and even if you don't you are still full of shit because you clearly don't have any relevant experience.

You have not presented any shred of actual disinterested or verifiable evidence to support your claims that Russian universities are magnitudes better than American ones. My experience with people who have direct relevant experience leads me to believe that Russian universities are not magnitudes better than US universities. Unlike you, I do not claim my belief is infallible. The tenor of your responses are more consistent with someone has been called out for his ignorance than someone who has the facts on his side.

Name these universities and fields.
And I did not say russian universities just better than american.
I said best undergrad education for hard sciences is better in Russia, and that's a fact.
In other words if you out of the school and want to get best education in math/physics/chemistry you need to apply not to Stanford, not to Berkley, but to Moscow State, Saint Petersburg or Novosibirsk state. Of course you need to learn russian for that. Also expect no pampering and pretty crappy student life and possible nervous breakdown.

 

[fromderinside]

You have not presented any shred of actual disinterested or verifiable evidence to support your claims that Russian universities are magnitudes better than American ones. My experience with people who have direct relevant experience leads me to believe that Russian universities are not magnitudes better than US universities. Unlike you, I do not claim my belief is infallible. The tenor of your responses are more consistent with someone has been called out for his ignorance than someone who has the facts on his side.

Name these universities and fields.

Asked for relief yet it keeps getting piled higher and deeper. Brings to mind BS = Bull Shit; MS = More of the Same; PhD = Piled higher and deeper.

 

[barbos]

Name these universities and fields.

Asked for relief yet it keeps getting piled higher and deeper. Brings to mind BS = Bull Shit; MS = More of the Same; PhD = Piled higher and deeper.

LOL.

 

[Toni]

You have not presented any shred of actual disinterested or verifiable evidence to support your claims that Russian universities are magnitudes better than American ones. My experience with people who have direct relevant experience leads me to believe that Russian universities are not magnitudes better than US universities. Unlike you, I do not claim my belief is infallible. The tenor of your responses are more consistent with someone has been called out for his ignorance than someone who has the facts on his side.

Name these universities and fields.
And I did not say russian universities just better than american.
I said best undergrad education for hard sciences is better in Russia, and that's a fact.
In other words if you out of the school and want to get best education in math/physics/chemistry you need to apply not to Stanford, not to Berkley, but to Moscow State, Saint Petersburg or Novosibirsk state. Of course you need to learn russian for that. Also expect no pampering and pretty crappy student life and possible nervous breakdown.

And still no evidence. Russian ego does not count as a positive.

 

[barbos]

Also, to expand on best education I would like to point out that I specifically mentioned hard sciences like math, physics, chemistry, biology.
But if you want to be a doctor for example then you most certainly better off to go to US.

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Name these universities and fields.
And I did not say russian universities just better than american.
I said best undergrad education for hard sciences is better in Russia, and that's a fact.
In other words if you out of the school and want to get best education in math/physics/chemistry you need to apply not to Stanford, not to Berkley, but to Moscow State, Saint Petersburg or Novosibirsk state. Of course you need to learn russian for that. Also expect no pampering and pretty crappy student life and possible nervous breakdown.

And still no evidence. Russian ego does not count as a positive.

I certainly presented enough evidence. And you on the other hand, presented no evidence that people flocking to US because of its superior undergrad education.

 

[Toni]

Also, to expand on best education I would like to point out that I specifically mentioned hard sciences like math, physics, chemistry, biology.
But if you want to be a doctor for example then you most certainly better off to go to US.

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And still no evidence. Russian ego does not count as a positive.

I certainly presented enough evidence. And you on the other hand, presented no evidence that people flocking to US because of its superior undergrad education.

1. An assertion is not evidence.
2. I actually made no assertions about the quality of US universities relative to universities anywhere else in the world, including Russia. I merely pointed out that ego wasn't the same thing as evidence.

If indeed you offered evidence of the superiority of Russian universities, I missed that post. Can you point it out to me?

 

[barbos]

Also, to expand on best education I would like to point out that I specifically mentioned hard sciences like math, physics, chemistry, biology.
But if you want to be a doctor for example then you most certainly better off to go to US.

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I certainly presented enough evidence. And you on the other hand, presented no evidence that people flocking to US because of its superior undergrad education.

1. An assertion is not evidence.

And evidence is not an assertion.

2. I actually made no assertions about the quality of US universities relative to universities anywhere else in the world, including Russia. I merely pointed out that ego wasn't the same thing as evidence.

Does not mater who made that assertion (but laughing dog did that). If you so hard assed about assertions and evidence then it's only consistent for you to go and bark at him.

If indeed you offered evidence of the superiority of Russian universities, I missed that post. Can you point it out to me?

I most certainly did.

 

[laughing dog]

You have not presented any shred of actual disinterested or verifiable evidence to support your claims that Russian universities are magnitudes better than American ones. My experience with people who have direct relevant experience leads me to believe that Russian universities are not magnitudes better than US universities. Unlike you, I do not claim my belief is infallible. The tenor of your responses are more consistent with someone has been called out for his ignorance than someone who has the facts on his side.

Name these universities and fields.
And I did not say russian universities just better than american.
I said best undergrad education for hard sciences is better in Russia, and that's a fact.

You wrote " As someone who familiar with both russian and american universities I can say that in terms of actual education Russian ones are orders of magnitude better (I am talking about science and engineering)," which is more general than your current "fact". And your claim of "fact" is still evidence free.

 

[barbos]

Name these universities and fields.
And I did not say russian universities just better than american.
I said best undergrad education for hard sciences is better in Russia, and that's a fact.

You wrote " As someone who familiar with both russian and american universities I can say that in terms of actual education Russian ones are orders of magnitude better (I am talking about science and engineering)," which is more general than your current "fact". And your claim of "fact" is still evidence free.

Sounds the same. And your assertion is still an assertion.
Also you still distorted my claim/assertion.

 

[Toni]

1. An assertion is not evidence.

And evidence is not an assertion.

Agreed. I am trying to find evidence that you presented to support your assertion. Can you point it out to me?

Does not mater who made that assertion (but laughing dog did that). If you so hard assed about assertions and evidence then it's only consistent for you to go and bark at him.

I'm talking to you. Or trying to.

If indeed you offered evidence of the superiority of Russian universities, I missed that post. Can you point it out to me?

I most certainly did.

I can't find the post. Can you tell me what post number it is?

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You wrote " As someone who familiar with both russian and american universities I can say that in terms of actual education Russian ones are orders of magnitude better (I am talking about science and engineering)," which is more general than your current "fact". And your claim of "fact" is still evidence free.

Sounds the same. And your assertion is still an assertion.
Also you still distorted my claim/assertion.

By quoting you?

 

[laughing dog]

You wrote " As someone who familiar with both russian and american universities I can say that in terms of actual education Russian ones are orders of magnitude better (I am talking about science and engineering)," which is more general than your current "fact". And your claim of "fact" is still evidence free.

Sounds the same.

The first claim is about "education" which includes graduate and undergraduate. Your refinement refers to undergraduate education.

And your assertion is still an assertion.

What are you talking about? You have not provided any disinterested and unbiased evidence to support your claim other than your limited and alleged experience.

 

[barbos]

By quoting you?

By providing you with factual information, in a sense educating you.

 

[fromderinside]

Also, to expand on best education I would like to point out that I specifically mentioned hard sciences like math, physics, chemistry, biology.

First there's this

Russian universities rise in Times Higher Education rankings

http://rbth.com/science_and_tech/20...in_times_higher_education_rankings_49681.html

Which actually means

The Lomonosov Moscow State University (MSU) was ranked 161out of 800 in the Times Higher Education (THE) World University Rankings 2015-16, which were released on October 1^st. 13 Russian academic institutions made the list this year, compared to just 2 in the 2014-15 rankings. MSU was once again ranked highest among the Russian universities.Last year, MSU was ranked 196 out of 400 (the list was expanded to 800 universities this year). The only other Russian university that was in the list last year was the Novosibirsk State University, ranked in the 301-350 position. This year, it fell in the rankings to 401-500.
In the 2015-16 rankings, the Russian top 5 also included the Peter the Great St Petersburg Polytechnic University (201-250), the Tomsk Polytechnic University (251-300), the Kazan Federal University (301-350) and the National Research Nuclear University MePhi (301-350).
"It's great that Russia has 13 institutions in this list, with five of its universities sitting within the top 400," says Phil Baty, Editor, Times Higher Education World University Rankings.

Here are the overall world rankings of universities in 2015 -16

Overall world university rankings


http://www.topuniversities.com/univ...region=+country=+faculty=+stars=false+search=

World rankings in Electrical and electronic engineering http://www.topuniversities.com/univ...region=+country=+faculty=+stars=false+search=


Physics and Astronomy http://www.topuniversities.com/university-rankings/university-subject-rankings/2015/physics-
astronomy#sorting=rank+region=+country=+faculty=+stars=false+search=

Not looking good for your claims at all barbos. Really not looking good for your claims versus the US.

Let the published facts set you free.

 

[barbos]

Sounds the same.

The first claim is about "education" which includes graduate and undergraduate. Your refinement refers to undergraduate education.

We were talking about undergrad education at the time. And graduate schools in Russia is very different thing.

And your assertion is still an assertion.

What are you talking about? You have not provided any disinterested and unbiased evidence to support your claim other than your limited and alleged experience.

That's merely your opinion.

 

[barbos]

First there's this

Russian universities rise in Times Higher Education rankings

http://rbth.com/science_and_tech/20...in_times_higher_education_rankings_49681.html

Which actually means

The Lomonosov Moscow State University (MSU) was ranked 161out of 800 in the Times Higher Education (THE) World University Rankings 2015-16, which were released on October 1^st. 13 Russian academic institutions made the list this year, compared to just 2 in the 2014-15 rankings. MSU was once again ranked highest among the Russian universities.Last year, MSU was ranked 196 out of 400 (the list was expanded to 800 universities this year). The only other Russian university that was in the list last year was the Novosibirsk State University, ranked in the 301-350 position. This year, it fell in the rankings to 401-500.
In the 2015-16 rankings, the Russian top 5 also included the Peter the Great St Petersburg Polytechnic University (201-250), the Tomsk Polytechnic University (251-300), the Kazan Federal University (301-350) and the National Research Nuclear University MePhi (301-350).
"It's great that Russia has 13 institutions in this list, with five of its universities sitting within the top 400," says Phil Baty, Editor, Times Higher Education World University Rankings.

Here are the overall world rankings of universities in 2015 -16

Overall world university rankings


http://www.topuniversities.com/univ...region=+country=+faculty=+stars=false+search=

World rankings in Electrical and electronic engineering http://www.topuniversities.com/univ...region=+country=+faculty=+stars=false+search=


Physics and Astronomy http://www.topuniversities.com/university-rankings/university-subject-rankings/2015/physics-
astronomy#sorting=rank+region=+country=+faculty=+stars=false+search=

Not looking good for your claims at all barbos. Really not looking good for your claims versus the US.

Let the published facts set you free.

These rankings have nothing to do with undergrad education. In fact they can not be applied outside the western system, certainly not to Russian system which is very different.

 

[laughing dog]

That's merely your opinion.

Not just mine. Other than your experienced-based opinion, what evidence have you put forth? You should be able to cite a post number that contains that evidence or reproduce it.

 

[barbos]

That's merely your opinion.

Not just mine. Other than your experienced-based opinion, what evidence have you put forth? You should be able to cite a post number that contains that evidence or reproduce it.

When I got my university degree (B.S. in physics) I went to work as a scientist, and the boss (head of the lab) was a guy with exactly the same education and degree as me (B.S. in physics), by the way, there were few PhDs in the lab
Name one head of the lab in US university with only B.S. degree and you win.

 

[fromderinside]

First there's this

Russian universities rise in Times Higher Education rankings

http://rbth.com/science_and_tech/20...in_times_higher_education_rankings_49681.html

Which actually means



Here are the overall world rankings of universities in 2015 -16

Overall world university rankings


http://www.topuniversities.com/univ...region=+country=+faculty=+stars=false+search=

World rankings in Electrical and electronic engineering http://www.topuniversities.com/univ...region=+country=+faculty=+stars=false+search=


Physics and Astronomy http://www.topuniversities.com/university-rankings/university-subject-rankings/2015/physics-
astronomy#sorting=rank+region=+country=+faculty=+stars=false+search=

Not looking good for your claims at all barbos. Really not looking good for your claims versus the US.

Let the published facts set you free.

These rankings have nothing to do with undergrad education. In fact they can not be applied outside the western system, certainly not to Russian system which is very different.

Wave of the hand without even reading the criteria or what is ranked. That's Russian science for you. Thank you for showing Lysenkoism is alive and well in Russia. These are undergraduate rankings sir.

Sheesh.

Have you joined the climate change deniers yet? You seem to have all the attributes necessary.