Concept of Heaven promotes Terrorism

[Ramaraksha]

Imagine that you are struggling in a low-paid job, your boss abuses you, but you are stuck as you have few prospects elsewhere, your personal life is in shambles, the country that you live in isn't great - but wait, way beyond the mountains is a land of plenty. A nice Sugar Daddy King keeps everyone in comfort - you can just eat, sleep and enjoy every day, all at his expense!

Obviously you have figured out that this land of plenty is what religions promise as Heaven - just waiting for us after death but of course there is a caveat - you must convert first

Would any fool stay at his low-paid job struggling with life? Of course not, let's all kill ourselves and off we go enjoy the good life!

Now you know why religions had to make Suicide a sin - it MUST be, otherwise people would condemn these religions as death cults!

But it is precisely the view of Heaven as a land of plenty that can be used as a tool to lure would-be terrorists and that is what we see is happening. Young people frustrated with their lot in life, few bright prospects, urged to hate "THEM" for the state of affairs of his people and then here's the solution - kill, mass murder and God will reward you with the eternal delights of heaven!

As long as we have weak people hoping to run away to a magic land in the sky we will have terrorism - Heaven is an evil concept that must be denounced

 

[Keith&Co.]

That's odd, as the whole concept of Heaven seems tailored to making hte masses shut up, eat shit and wait for a glorious afterlife like a post-dated three-party out-of-state check from Ed MacMahon.

It's the concept that God will reward you for killing others, especially if you die in the attempt, that's tailored for terrorism.
It could be any reward, not just Heaven. Kill-for-god is the problem, not Heaven.

 

[Colonel Sanders]

I still maintain that religious folk who believe in Heaven but don't find some creative way to die don't actually believe in their god. Or if they do, it's not to the degree they profess. But obviously the survival instinct is orders of magnitude stronger than their belief.

When I joined the Army, I believed that I should join primarily because I thought it important to serve my country. Meanwhile, in the conservative town I come from, one which is a "Suppert r troops!" town, almost no one else did. It's basically analogous to god-belief. I believed, so I did it. They claim to believe, but they didn't take any action based on that claimed belief.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

But you don't have to be a martyr to go to heaven. Even in the Islamic Faith, Christians and Jews get to go to Heaven.

 

[ronburgundy]

That's odd, as the whole concept of Heaven seems tailored to making hte masses shut up, eat shit and wait for a glorious afterlife like a post-dated three-party out-of-state check from Ed MacMahon.

It's the concept that God will reward you for killing others, especially if you die in the attempt, that's tailored for terrorism.
It could be any reward, not just Heaven. Kill-for-god is the problem, not Heaven.

The OP has some validity in relation specifically to suicide bombings or other terrorist methods likely to end or destroy the terrorists life.
The reward for such terrorism must be more valuable than the life they are giving up. Some form of Heaven is pretty much the only reward that would qualify. Terrorism where the person needs to plausibly survive and not get caught in order to get their prize would look very different and likely require methods that would be less effective at killing numerous civilians.

 

[Ramaraksha]

That's odd, as the whole concept of Heaven seems tailored to making hte masses shut up, eat shit and wait for a glorious afterlife like a post-dated three-party out-of-state check from Ed MacMahon.

It's the concept that God will reward you for killing others, especially if you die in the attempt, that's tailored for terrorism.
It could be any reward, not just Heaven. Kill-for-god is the problem, not Heaven.

Any reward? After you are dead? Can you give me an example of another reward after death?

The point is that why wait for heaven? Where does it say we have to wait for it? Why not commit suicide and enjoy the good life? Of course that is why they came up with Suicide is a Sin - otherwise these would be death cults

 

[Ramaraksha]

But you don't have to be a martyr to go to heaven. Even in the Islamic Faith, Christians and Jews get to go to Heaven.

Who said anything about being a martyr to get to heaven? Yes all these people think they will go - but why wait and suffer thru life? The land of plenty is waiting - don't understand why people would waste time here when Sugar Daddy God is ready and waiting with a bucket of chicken - so religions offer these frustrated people a way - kill, God will be please - even if he is displeased, isn't he soooo merciful? Will forgive after a few croc tears of remorse? Then just sit back and enjoy!
Heaven is Fool's Gold

 

[Ramaraksha]

I still maintain that religious folk who believe in Heaven but don't find some creative way to die don't actually believe in their god. Or if they do, it's not to the degree they profess. But obviously the survival instinct is orders of magnitude stronger than their belief.

When I joined the Army, I believed that I should join primarily because I thought it important to serve my country. Meanwhile, in the conservative town I come from, one which is a "Suppert r troops!" town, almost no one else did. It's basically analogous to god-belief. I believed, so I did it. They claim to believe, but they didn't take any action based on that claimed belief.

Exactly - if it is so wonderful why isn't everyone eager to die? How come even on one's deathbed people fight like crazy to stay alive? Ready to spend their last dime if it means they get to stay alive? Keep God waiting - Heaven waiting

Heaven is just what it is - a nice fantasy that makes people happy and religions are more than happy to tell them exactly that

 

[bleubird]

I recall a sec of the Interior who said conservation was pointless because jesus was going to rapture us soon.Kind of the same thing.

 

[Keith&Co.]

That's odd, as the whole concept of Heaven seems tailored to making hte masses shut up, eat shit and wait for a glorious afterlife like a post-dated three-party out-of-state check from Ed MacMahon.

It's the concept that God will reward you for killing others, especially if you die in the attempt, that's tailored for terrorism.
It could be any reward, not just Heaven. Kill-for-god is the problem, not Heaven.

Any reward? After you are dead? Can you give me an example of another reward after death?

Being reborn as Salma Hayek's nipple ring?

The point is that why wait for heaven?

As you point out, there are rules for getting into the better afterlives. You HAVE to wait for it or you don't get in.
So Heaven isn't the critical point. It's whether or not God approves of how you die.

 

[Ramaraksha]

Any reward? After you are dead? Can you give me an example of another reward after death?

Being reborn as Salma Hayek's nipple ring?

The point is that why wait for heaven?

As you point out, there are rules for getting into the better afterlives. You HAVE to wait for it or you don't get in.
So Heaven isn't the critical point. It's whether or not God approves of how you die.

At some point do you ever wonder if religion is just telling you what you want to hear? Of course they tell you that you have to wait - again, otherwise these would be Death Cults

Are you saying that there are millions of people just lazing around Heaven doing nothing? Because they belonged to the "right" religion and died the "right" way? God is like a Master approving this? That is the Grand Plan? Spend a few years down here and then sit on one's lazy butt for eternity? Can you be that gullible? Even your own mother won't let you sit on your butt and watch TV all day, you think some Sugar Daddy is waiting for you upstairs with a bucket of chicken and will let you just laze around, snoring away eternity?

As for being reborn - yes that is Heaven - human life comes with pain and suffering - to wish for a human life of no pain is unnatural - but such a life is possible - the life of a bug or a tree or a blade of grass - they just live the good life, no pain or suffering. Or take the common house cat - sleeps all day, his master takes care of him - no worries - Heaven!

You will get your wish

 

[Ramaraksha]

I recall a sec of the Interior who said conservation was pointless because jesus was going to rapture us soon.Kind of the same thing.

And they have been saying that for centuries - amazing how religion and i guess greed for the easy good life can brainwash even the best of them

Muslims have this Grand Caliphate thing going - create this "pure" Islamic country and the magic Sugar Daddy God watching upstairs will be pleased and will shower down his blessings and good life

Dreams of the weak, the lazy - always looking for an easy life the easy way - groveling for the easy bone

 

[another1]

Hey... have you considered the power of prayer? A person who prays and concentrates on a single thing his or her whole life, may be able to manifest that thing after death. Making your own hell could be possible if you live your entire life horrified of improperly touching animals or whatever. The energy put into your faith is real and prayer is pretty powerful. In this way, God could be so real in our lives. Now back up thousands of years. Billions of people concentrating on the same shit over and over. Do you think psychic energy can create a God? Think about it... all those people thinking. Their conscious beliefs can carry over into their death, or be scattered fragments of God confirming consciousness floating in the void, waiting to take form and confirm that God is real. Thousands of years projecting psychic energy and reinforcement through tradition makes any God real in an abstractly tangible way. It could just be an accessory after the fact type of situation. That brings "in his own image" more meaning to me personally. And yeah terrorism sucks.

 

[Juma]

Hey... have you considered the power of prayer? A person who prays and concentrates on a single thing his or her whole life, may be able to manifest that thing after death. Making your own hell could be possible if you live your entire life horrified of improperly touching animals or whatever. The energy put into your faith is real and prayer is pretty powerful. In this way, God could be so real in our lives. Now back up thousands of years. Billions of people concentrating on the same shit over and over. Do you think psychic energy can create a God? Think about it... all those people thinking. Their conscious beliefs can carry over into their death, or be scattered fragments of God confirming consciousness floating in the void, waiting to take form and confirm that God is real. Thousands of years projecting psychic energy and reinforcement through tradition makes any God real in an abstractly tangible way. It could just be an accessory after the fact type of situation. That brings "in his own image" more meaning to me personally. And yeah terrorism sucks.

You CAN change the world by thought (for example moving your body parts) but not by "thought alone". Your BODY is your thoughts.

 

[DBT]

The external world acts upon the biological system that is you and in turn the system that is you acts upon the external world....except that you, the biological system, is inseparable from the world at large.

All just ripples and eddies in the stream.

 

[braces_for_impact]

This reminds me of an old Dawkins article.

 

[another1]

Juma if my body is my thoughts then I can easily say the world is my thoughts and maybe the thoughts of others. Like, if my mind imagines a ripple, there is suddenly a stream. Not, my mind imagining a stream and suddenly there is a ripple because I thought of a stream. On an individual it may take a hundred years to make a drop of water that someone else can see, but thousands of years with billions of people concentrating can put a lot of resin in the pipe. Eventually you have a giant ball of resin that appeared from nowhere and it smokes no matter where it came from. Know what I mean?

 

[couch_sloth]

Juma if my body is my thoughts then I can easily say the world is my thoughts and maybe the thoughts of others. Like, if my mind imagines a ripple, there is suddenly a stream. Not, my mind imagining a stream and suddenly there is a ripple because I thought of a stream...

Are you talking about telekinesis or causing things to pop into existence simply through thought? (or?)

 

[another1]

Nah telekinesis is impossible. I think my last post came from the (or) section and I'm not sure how or why I took it there. There are two threads I'm talking about terrorism in, and I've managed to say little about terrorism on either, sorry for the confusion.

 

[Ramaraksha]

Hey... have you considered the power of prayer? A person who prays and concentrates on a single thing his or her whole life, may be able to manifest that thing after death. Making your own hell could be possible if you live your entire life horrified of improperly touching animals or whatever. The energy put into your faith is real and prayer is pretty powerful. In this way, God could be so real in our lives. Now back up thousands of years. Billions of people concentrating on the same shit over and over. Do you think psychic energy can create a God? Think about it... all those people thinking. Their conscious beliefs can carry over into their death, or be scattered fragments of God confirming consciousness floating in the void, waiting to take form and confirm that God is real. Thousands of years projecting psychic energy and reinforcement through tradition makes any God real in an abstractly tangible way. It could just be an accessory after the fact type of situation. That brings "in his own image" more meaning to me personally. And yeah terrorism sucks.

Zip zero evidence of any such thing happening - just keep deluding yourself that cheap words will work - when an accident happens would you rather have some guy stand over you and pray or try to help? I bet you want the second way
So, God is like a rich powerful guy who is pleased with your praises and will hand out blessings? No better than a King? Kings are pleased by all the praises of their subjects/slaves and used to reward such people - that is where these ideas are coming from -

cheap way to get things done rather get to work and accomplish things