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Protests rage outside Trump rally in Orange County; 17 arrested, police car smashed
LA Times said:
Hndreds of demonstrators filled the street outside the Orange County amphitheater where Donald Trump held a rally Thursday night, stomping on cars, hurling rocks at motorists and forcefully declaring their opposition to the Republican presidential candidate.
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Video footage showed some anti-Trump demonstrators hurling debris at a passing pickup. One group of protesters carried benches and blocked the entrance to the 55 Freeway along Newport Boulevard, with some tossing rocks at motorists near the on-ram
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To Arianna Perez, 19, the flaring of tempers over Trump were a necessary reaction to the inflammatory rhetoric of his campaign.
"We could be peaceful and do things different," she said, "but if we did, we wouldn't get our voice heard."

Imagine the outrage if this was conservatives acting this way at a Hillary or Bernie rally? In reality of course, the only disruption at Democratic rallies came from those even further to the Left.
 
Why did you chose the word "illegal" as it is not used in the article?
 
Protests rage outside Trump rally in Orange County; 17 arrested, police car smashed
LA Times said:
Hndreds of demonstrators filled the street outside the Orange County amphitheater where Donald Trump held a rally Thursday night, stomping on cars, hurling rocks at motorists and forcefully declaring their opposition to the Republican presidential candidate.
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Video footage showed some anti-Trump demonstrators hurling debris at a passing pickup. One group of protesters carried benches and blocked the entrance to the 55 Freeway along Newport Boulevard, with some tossing rocks at motorists near the on-ram
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To Arianna Perez, 19, the flaring of tempers over Trump were a necessary reaction to the inflammatory rhetoric of his campaign.
"We could be peaceful and do things different," she said, "but if we did, we wouldn't get our voice heard."

Imagine the outrage if this was conservatives acting this way at a Hillary or Bernie rally?

Don't worry, there's going to be plenty of outrage. I bet if you turn on Fox News right now they are virtually apoplectic over it.

In reality of course, the only disruption at Democratic rallies came from those even further to the Left.

In reality, the Democratic candidates are not deliberately provoking those with whom they disagree, and the "disruption(s)" at Democratic rallies are not violent.
 
Why did you chose the word "illegal" as it is not used in the article?
Because that's who Trump is seeking to deport. I guess PC term is "undocumented" in much the same way a bank robbery is an "undocumented" withdrawal. :rolleyes:
Interesting. I see nothing about undocumented workers in the article either.

Are you saying that the people protesting were illegals?

Or that Mexicans are "illegals"? Because I hear people refer to all Latinos, even natural-born citizens as "illegals".
 
Imagine the outrage if this was conservatives acting this way at a Hillary or Bernie rally?

You'd start a thread using it as an illustration of just how divisive they are?

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Because that's who Trump is seeking to deport. I guess PC term is "undocumented" in much the same way a bank robbery is an "undocumented" withdrawal. :rolleyes:
Interesting. I see nothing about undocumented workers in the article either.

Are you saying that the people protesting were illegals?

Or that Mexicans are "illegals"? Because I hear people refer to all Latinos, even natural-born citizens as "illegals".

All Latins are Mexican and all Mexicans are illegals or something like that.
 
It appears that the anti-Trump mob has stormed the hotel where he is speaking. :rolleyes:
 
Why did you chose the word "illegal" as it is not used in the article?

We should require him to PROVE the protesters were illegal..."illegal" is not good enough! I do not believe society owes Trump a place to promote hatred without also allowing protest.
 
I do not believe society owes Trump a place to promote hatred without also allowing protest.
Peaceful protest should of course be allowed. Throwing objects at the police, blocking highways, attacking people you disagree with and trying to prevent a political candidate from speaking are not peaceful protest tactics. And if any conservatives tried to do any of these things against Bernie or the queen you'd be the screaming "fascism". Why is it any better when so-called progressives do it?
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You'd start a thread using it as an illustration of just how divisive they are?
No, I would not. Unlike some here I abhor political violence.

All Latins are Mexican and all Mexicans are illegals or something like that.
Since Trump did not say anything about legal immigrants your analysis is baseless.

Anti-Trump protesters use little children to push their pro-invasion message.
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Why do you keep throwing out these hypotheticals?
Well the only reason it is a hypothetical is that no right-wing thugs are disrupting Democratic candidates' rallies. Think about that for a minute.

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So in all the replies so far none of the resident "liberals", "progressives" and other left wingers have condemned these attacks in any way. Quite telling.
 
Well the only reason it is a hypothetical is that no right-wing thugs are disrupting Democratic candidates' rallies. Think about that for a minute.
That is non-responsive. You are accusing people of double standards without a shred of real evidence. Why?
 
Arianna Perez, 19, the flaring of tempers over Trump were a necessary reaction to the inflammatory rhetoric of his campaign. "We could be peaceful and do things different," she said, "but if we did, we wouldn't get our voice heard."
This might not be the right thread for this, but there's a few things about this that needs to be hashed out.

My immediate thought was the voice would be heard, just not necessarily accepted.

The second thought was that it's not that the voice wouldn't be heard, just not as (perhaps) heard by as many.

The third thought is that people really don't have a right to have their voice heard, just that they have a right to free speech. For instance, if you do something illegal and are put in jail, you have the right to speak, but if that message isn't heard, the incarceration isn't a violation of free speech even if making your voice heard from a jail cell makes it difficult to voice your opinion to the masses. We don't have a duty to ensure speech is heard by the masses.

At any rate, the message meant seems more in line with my second thought, yet what was said seems more consistent with my first thought. I wonder why they don't articulate it better. Still, having the message heard even by the masses isn't necessarily going to curb the fuel to the fire, as it's a change that is what's truly sought by those trying to voice their views to the masses.

Strangely, however, it's like protesters are latching on to free speech as what's important to them, but that's as if its supposed to be the basis for doing what they do when doing something illegal, yet since it's truly change sought after, it reminds me of a child screaming louder and louder in a restaurant after not getting what they want: child screams--parent says hush I don't care. Child screams louder--restaurant patrons sing in unison: we don't care either.

So, escalating the target audience by illegal means don't necessarily bring about the true change sought after: it just yields more people to retort they don't care.

Thoughts: speak. If enough don't hear, speak louder. If you don't get the change, it's not that they don't hear: it's just they aren't listening--hearing but not choosing to effect the change.

I think people can get their voice heard by the masses without resorting to illegal means, but if bringing change is the true goal, it seems deceitful to argue that's the only way to get their voices heard. It's more like extortion: either give me the change I want or I'll do things to make you remember me by. What's deceitful is the idea that they must do what they're doing to be heard, and the deceit is hidden in the fact they will be heard by more if engaging in illegal acts. Yes, they will, but they can just as easily be heard by the masses without resorting to illegal acts, yet they do, and that's because that's more likely to yield what they really want, which is change, so although illegal acts may produce a greater audience, that's a ruse, despite its truth; hence the difference between truth and truthfulness.

It's like low-level terrorism in a way.
 
No, I would not. Unlike some here I abhor political violence.

All Latins are Mexican and all Mexicans are illegals or something like that.
Since Trump did not say anything about legal immigrants your analysis is baseless.
We weren't talking about Trump's use of the word illegal. We were wondering why the words "illegal Mexican" were used in the title of this thread since the article never mentioned illegal or undocumented.

And then you go and post this:
Anti-Trump protesters use little children to push their pro-invasion message.

Why do you keep throwing out these hypotheticals?
Well the only reason it is a hypothetical is that no right-wing thugs are disrupting Democratic candidates' rallies. Think about that for a minute.

Well, to be honest the Democratic candidates, and other Republican candidates aren't openly stating that they will politically target groups of people for surveillance and political oppression based upon appearance and religion.

So in all the replies so far none of the resident "liberals", "progressives" and other left wingers have condemned these attacks in any way. Quite telling.
Oh sorry I didn't need to know I personally had to condemn the attacks. Consider them condemned. Now why did you chose to use the term "illegal" in the title?
 
Arianna Perez, 19, the flaring of tempers over Trump were a necessary reaction to the inflammatory rhetoric of his campaign. "We could be peaceful and do things different," she said, "but if we did, we wouldn't get our voice heard."
This might not be the right thread for this, but there's a few things about this that needs to be hashed out.

My immediate thought was the voice would be heard, just not necessarily accepted.

The second thought was that it's not that the voice wouldn't be heard, just not as (perhaps) heard by as many.

The third thought is that people really don't have a right to have their voice heard, just that they have a right to free speech. For instance, if you do something illegal and are put in jail, you have the right to speak, but if that message isn't heard, the incarceration isn't a violation of free speech even if making your voice heard from a jail cell makes it difficult to voice your opinion to the masses. We don't have a duty to ensure speech is heard by the masses.

At any rate, the message meant seems more in line with my second thought, yet what was said seems more consistent with my first thought. I wonder why they don't articulate it better. Still, having the message heard even by the masses isn't necessarily going to curb the fuel to the fire, as it's a change that is what's truly sought by those trying to voice their views to the masses.

Strangely, however, it's like protesters are latching on to free speech as what's important to them, but that's as if its supposed to be the basis for doing what they do when doing something illegal, yet since it's truly change sought after, it reminds me of a child screaming louder and louder in a restaurant after not getting what they want: child screams--parent says hush I don't care. Child screams louder--restaurant patrons sing in unison: we don't care either.

So, escalating the target audience by illegal means don't necessarily bring about the true change sought after: it just yields more people to retort they don't care.

Thoughts: speak. If enough don't hear, speak louder. If you don't get the change, it's not that they don't hear: it's just they aren't listening--hearing but not choosing to effect the change.

I think people can get their voice heard by the masses without resorting to illegal means, but if bringing change is the true goal, it seems deceitful to argue that's the only way to get their voices heard. It's more like extortion: either give me the change I want or I'll do things to make you remember me by. What's deceitful is the idea that they must do what they're doing to be heard, and the deceit is hidden in the fact they will be heard by more if engaging in illegal acts. Yes, they will, but they can just as easily be heard by the masses without resorting to illegal acts, yet they do, and that's because that's more likely to yield what they really want, which is change, so although illegal acts may produce a greater audience, that's a ruse, despite its truth; hence the difference between truth and truthfulness.

It's like low-level terrorism in a way.

I'm not sure she is speaking of the right of free speech here, but more of the tactic of attracting attention. "If it bleeds it leads." Martin Luther King Jr. chose his protest locations fully knowing that there would be confrontation. When he started to switch to intrenched racial problems in the North, there was no violence and less media coverage.

Now attacking others is not right. In MLK's time the idea was to make them attack you. You attack others, you go to jail and people are less sympathetic. You peacefully protest and you are attacked people are more sympathetic. You are a good looking white female...
 
Why did you chose the word "illegal" as it is not used in the article?
Because that's who Trump is seeking to deport. I guess PC term is "undocumented" in much the same way a bank robbery is an "undocumented" withdrawal. :rolleyes:

I would assume most if not all aren't illegal immigrants since they generally don't want to be recognized. To me, they ones in the pictures look like typical California Chicanos. It is very unlikely that an illegal immigrant would be politically active.
 
Since Trump did not say anything about legal immigrants your analysis is baseless.

Check your thread title if you are confused about what I was referencing.

Well the only reason it is a hypothetical is that no right-wing thugs are disrupting Democratic candidates' rallies. Think about that for a minute.

Right wing thugs are too busy playing army at their prepper camps and committing armed trespass of federal property.

Oh, that and no candidate other than Trump is calling for authoritarian measures against broad religious and ethnic groups.
 
The main concern is that in a democracy some clearly organised groups seem to be trying to close down Trump rallies using various tactics including harassment. Clearly this is not in the spirit of democracy and free speech no matter how disagreeable. Such things may even backfire in favour Trump's campaign.
 
The people trying to disrupt the Trump rallies are either complete morons or provocateurs.

The disruptions absolutely favor Trump.
 
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