Great news! Over 20 dead in Orlando Night Club!

[Roller]

Orlando shooter was regular at Pulse gay club; former classmate says Omar Mateen was homosexual

I am... not really surprised.

Gay Ramone called it on Howard Stern yesterday morning.


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[Potoooooooo]

http://sacramento.cbslocal.com/2016...reacher-praises-orlando-gay-nightclub-attack/
Christian Pastor Celebrates Orlando Massacre: Round Up All The Gays And Blow Their Brains Out [VIDEO]

 

[PyramidHead]

If Islam is being used as a technique to convince younger Muslims to kill people via the Internet (it is), one of the ways of preventing this violence is to drown out the online propaganda and expose it for what it truly is (which is something that is being attempted).

ISIS and such groups don't promote themselves by saying "Join ISIS, we like to destroy ancient antiquities!"

OK, and this would stop Adam Lanza? Dylann Roof?

I'm not suggesting your suggestion isn't valid, but why is this a "first step" to stopping mass killings in the U.S.?

I didn't say it was a first step to stopping mass killings in the US, just that whatever needs to be done about radical Islam (and that may be nothing whatsoever, I don't know), at the very least we should be able to identify it when it is particularly relevant to the motivations of someone like the Orlando shooter.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

Evidence?

If my experience with barbos is any indication, he'll claim that Afghanistan actually invaded the Soviet Union at the behest of Jimmy Carter.

Evidence?

Look for Brzezinski interview I have reposted few times already.

Jebus guys, get a room!

 

[laughing dog]

The new information that the shooter visited this nightclub on numerous occasions suggests a more complicated set of motivation(s) for this massacre.

 

[Playball40]

No. They suffered from mental health issues, something that only happens to White people. It is the cost of White Privilege.

I'm not suggesting your suggestion isn't valid, but why is this a "first step" to stopping mass killings in the U.S.?

Well, I wouldn't consider it a "first step", rather another avenue that must be used in conjunction with other avenues. When dealing with Islamic inspired extremism, it makes sense to fight back against extremist propaganda.

I don't disagree... and better mental health help for those privileged white fucktards. Let's battle back against christian extremism too.

But let's stop sales of AR-15's and/or strengthen back-ground checks to keep guns out of hands of killers while those other measures are needing time to work.

We should also stop sale of gasoline: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Happy_Land_fire

Fertilizer: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oklahoma_City_bombing

And knifes: http://www.cnn.com/2014/03/01/world/asia/china-railway-attack/

Oh, and guns, too: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/November_2015_Paris_attacks

This/ is just STUPID. Let's ban bicycle helmets because people drown in swimming pools.

Seriously though, the 'bomb' scenario takes time, planning, and a lot of luck not to get caught beforehand. An mass killing takes hours to buy a gun/ammo. So, why make it fucking easy to mass kill people? Your analogy is stupid, falls flat and is disgusting.

 

[repoman]

Could that Sacramento pastor be charged with a crime for his speech? It seems close to the line of incitement.

What if it was in a European country?

What about the Imam in Florida saying it is compassionate to kill gays?

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

The new information that the shooter visited this nightclub on numerous occasions suggests a more complicated set of motivation(s) for this massacre.

It is starting to sound like American Beauty.

- - - Updated - - -

http://sacramento.cbslocal.com/2016...reacher-praises-orlando-gay-nightclub-attack/
Christian Pastor Celebrates Orlando Massacre: Round Up All The Gays And Blow Their Brains Out [VIDEO]

This is what the Republicans are losing with throwing away the Latino vote.

 

[Trausti]

No. They suffered from mental health issues, something that only happens to White people. It is the cost of White Privilege.

I'm not suggesting your suggestion isn't valid, but why is this a "first step" to stopping mass killings in the U.S.?

Well, I wouldn't consider it a "first step", rather another avenue that must be used in conjunction with other avenues. When dealing with Islamic inspired extremism, it makes sense to fight back against extremist propaganda.

I don't disagree... and better mental health help for those privileged white fucktards. Let's battle back against christian extremism too.

But let's stop sales of AR-15's and/or strengthen back-ground checks to keep guns out of hands of killers while those other measures are needing time to work.

We should also stop sale of gasoline: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Happy_Land_fire

Fertilizer: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oklahoma_City_bombing

And knifes: http://www.cnn.com/2014/03/01/world/asia/china-railway-attack/

Oh, and guns, too: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/November_2015_Paris_attacks

This/ is just STUPID. Let's ban bicycle helmets because people drown in swimming pools.

Seriously though, the 'bomb' scenario takes time, planning, and a lot of luck not to get caught beforehand. An mass killing takes hours to buy a gun/ammo. So, why make it fucking easy to mass kill people? Your analogy is stupid, falls flat and is disgusting.

It doesn't take long to get gasoline or knives. The 911 attackers only had box cutters. Calling for a ban of this or a ban of that is not a rational response. Even the politicians who pander to folks like you know that proposed bans would make no difference. But never let a good crisis go to waste, right?

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

No. They suffered from mental health issues, something that only happens to White people. It is the cost of White Privilege.

I'm not suggesting your suggestion isn't valid, but why is this a "first step" to stopping mass killings in the U.S.?

Well, I wouldn't consider it a "first step", rather another avenue that must be used in conjunction with other avenues. When dealing with Islamic inspired extremism, it makes sense to fight back against extremist propaganda.

I don't disagree... and better mental health help for those privileged white fucktards. Let's battle back against christian extremism too.

But let's stop sales of AR-15's and/or strengthen back-ground checks to keep guns out of hands of killers while those other measures are needing time to work.

We should also stop sale of gasoline: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Happy_Land_fire

Fertilizer: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oklahoma_City_bombing

And knifes: http://www.cnn.com/2014/03/01/world/asia/china-railway-attack/

Oh, and guns, too: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/November_2015_Paris_attacks

This/ is just STUPID. Let's ban bicycle helmets because people drown in swimming pools.

Seriously though, the 'bomb' scenario takes time, planning, and a lot of luck not to get caught beforehand. An mass killing takes hours to buy a gun/ammo. So, why make it fucking easy to mass kill people? Your analogy is stupid, falls flat and is disgusting.

It doesn't take long to get gasoline or knives.

Gasoline? Yeah, it can start a fire, but good luck on using just it to cause an explosion from the outside of a club. Knives... it'd take Rambo to kill 49 people, injure another 50+ with a knife.

The 911 attackers only had box cutters.

Box cutters were banned after 9/11. The only reason the plan for 9/11 worked is that people weren't aware that the planes would be used as weapons.

Calling for a ban of this or a ban of that is not a rational response.

Yes... it is not a rational response to limit how powerful weapons can be that are made available to the general public. I mean it isn't like those laws even exist in the first place.

Even the politicians who pander to folks like you know that proposed bans would make no difference.

It would make it harder to get such weapons in the future. Granted, thanks to efforts by the NRA, the nation is saturated with weapons that have no business being in the hands of civilians. So kudos to the NRA!

But never let a good crisis go to waste, right?

The crisis happened because of the weapons this person was legally able to acquire. That would seem to be a topic of worthy discussion.

 

[Playball40]

No. They suffered from mental health issues, something that only happens to White people. It is the cost of White Privilege.

I'm not suggesting your suggestion isn't valid, but why is this a "first step" to stopping mass killings in the U.S.?

Well, I wouldn't consider it a "first step", rather another avenue that must be used in conjunction with other avenues. When dealing with Islamic inspired extremism, it makes sense to fight back against extremist propaganda.

I don't disagree... and better mental health help for those privileged white fucktards. Let's battle back against christian extremism too.

But let's stop sales of AR-15's and/or strengthen back-ground checks to keep guns out of hands of killers while those other measures are needing time to work.

We should also stop sale of gasoline: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Happy_Land_fire

Fertilizer: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oklahoma_City_bombing

And knifes: http://www.cnn.com/2014/03/01/world/asia/china-railway-attack/

Oh, and guns, too: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/November_2015_Paris_attacks

This/ is just STUPID. Let's ban bicycle helmets because people drown in swimming pools.

Seriously though, the 'bomb' scenario takes time, planning, and a lot of luck not to get caught beforehand. An mass killing takes hours to buy a gun/ammo. So, why make it fucking easy to mass kill people? Your analogy is stupid, falls flat and is disgusting.

It doesn't take long to get gasoline or knives. The 911 attackers only had box cutters. Calling for a ban of this or a ban of that is not a rational response. Even the politicians who pander to folks like you know that proposed bans would make no difference. But never let a good crisis go to waste, right?

Box cutters AND A FUCKING PLANE. Closed environment with no way to 'run away' - absolutely comparable. I think you are intentionally being obtuse, so I'll just leave it at that. And sorry, if this moron only had a "knife" there is NO WAY IN HELL 50 people would be dead and 50 more would be injured. None. Oh and let's not forget the 'good guy with the gun couldn't take this guy out'. Rapid fire weaponry designed to kill the most amount of people in the least amount of time has no place in civilized society. Period.

 

[Potoooooooo]

http://www.joemygod.com/2016/06/14/...sacre-if-an-arab-did-this-good-for-him-video/

Orthodox Jew Posts Facebook Rant Celebrating Orlando Massacre: If An Arab Did This, Good For Him [VIDEO]

 

[Don2 (Don1 Revised)]

It doesn't take long to get gasoline or knives. The 911 attackers only had box cutters. Calling for a ban of this or a ban of that is not a rational response. Even the politicians who pander to folks like you know that proposed bans would make no difference. But never let a good crisis go to waste, right?

I know, right. And you are not over-simplifying anything. There was absolutely nothing that changed after 9/11. There was no new additional government department improving communications between different departments. There were no new laws passed that updated FISA. There were no new airplane procedures that took hours extra to load planes.

All because. Box Cutters.

 

[ronburgundy]

No. They suffered from mental health issues, something that only happens to White people. It is the cost of White Privilege.

I'm not suggesting your suggestion isn't valid, but why is this a "first step" to stopping mass killings in the U.S.?

Well, I wouldn't consider it a "first step", rather another avenue that must be used in conjunction with other avenues. When dealing with Islamic inspired extremism, it makes sense to fight back against extremist propaganda.

I don't disagree... and better mental health help for those privileged white fucktards. Let's battle back against christian extremism too.

But let's stop sales of AR-15's and/or strengthen back-ground checks to keep guns out of hands of killers while those other measures are needing time to work.

We should also stop sale of gasoline: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Happy_Land_fire

Fertilizer: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oklahoma_City_bombing

And knifes: http://www.cnn.com/2014/03/01/world/asia/china-railway-attack/

Oh, and guns, too: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/November_2015_Paris_attacks

This/ is just STUPID. Let's ban bicycle helmets because people drown in swimming pools.

Seriously though, the 'bomb' scenario takes time, planning, and a lot of luck not to get caught beforehand. An mass killing takes hours to buy a gun/ammo. So, why make it fucking easy to mass kill people? Your analogy is stupid, falls flat and is disgusting.

It doesn't take long to get gasoline or knives. The 911 attackers only had box cutters.

No, they had planes. They killed people with planes. They merely gained control of the planes with box cutters, because people didn't realize their goal was to use the planes as the weapons to kill thousands. Also, many hundreds of lives were likely saved because they only had box cutters rather than guns, which enabled the revolt on flight 93 that led to it crashing before reaching its target in D.C. They succeeded with 3 of the planes only because no one was aware or prepared for the possibility that they would use the planes that way. Today, passengers would immediately attack them and they would not succeed with knives, but would still likely succeed if they had guns.

Calling for a ban of this or a ban of that is not a rational response.

When the "that" is a object whose sole designed purpose is to kill many people as quickly as possible, an act which is criminal in every plausible situation outside of military combat, then banning "that" is very rational. What is irrational is comparing "that" to a "this", such as a knife which whose primary and secondary functions are positive, legal, and very useful, and while it can be repurposed to kill many people, it is never the first choice of those trying to do so because it is not remotely as effective as other options that people are too stupid to ban, like assault rifles (note their highly apt fact that a crime is right in the name of these weapons).
When was the last time that more than 10 people were murdered within minutes by a single person using only a knife?
When was the last time that 10 people were deliberately murdered by someone setting a fire? (not merely arson, but arson with intent to kill)

People use guns for such mass killings because it is infinitely easier and more likely to succeed if you use a gun than any other method, and that is a direct result that guns were designed for that very purpose.

Also, your mention of fertilizer or homemade bomb ingredients backfires (pun intended) on you. It is illegal to assemble these ingredients into something designed to cause harm/damage. The apt analogy to guns is that while the basic ingredients that have many legal functions but could be used to build a gun (e.g., steel, springs) should be legal, actually assembling them into such a gun or possessing such an assembly should be illegal, just as assembling a bomb from fertilizer is illegal.

The rationale for banning guns capable of firing more than a few rounds without reloading is the same as for banning possession major explosives including nuclear weapons by citizens. All the arguments against such a ban apply to nuclear weapons too. So, if you favor bans on nuclear weapons but not on guns whose sole legal context would be in military combat, then you know your being an unprincipled hypocrite.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

http://www.joemygod.com/2016/06/14/...sacre-if-an-arab-did-this-good-for-him-video/

Orthodox Jew Posts Facebook Rant Celebrating Orlando Massacre: If An Arab Did This, Good For Him [VIDEO]

Well, if nothing else, the reaction to this event demonstrates extremism knows no religious boundaries, nor seem to understand that god hasn't physically punished anyone on Earth in a long long time. Not the Nazis, the Genocidal Dictators in Africa, not the Imperial Japanese, not the fucking asshole that just cut you off.

 

[Artemus]

http://www.joemygod.com/2016/06/14/...sacre-if-an-arab-did-this-good-for-him-video/

Orthodox Jew Posts Facebook Rant Celebrating Orlando Massacre: If An Arab Did This, Good For Him [VIDEO]

Well, if nothing else, the reaction to this event demonstrates extremism knows no religious boundaries,

Yup. It had little to do with the particular religion he was raised in. He was a seriously mentally disturbed man who happened to be gay and was raised in a religious home where he was taught that being gay is an abomination. Quite a combination.

 

[T.G.G. Moogly]

Well, if nothing else, the reaction to this event demonstrates extremism knows no religious boundaries,

Yup. It had little to do with the particular religion he was raised in. He was a seriously mentally disturbed man who happened to be gay and was raised in a religious home where he was taught that being gay is an abomination. Quite a combination.

It's like a hate competition.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

Well, if nothing else, the reaction to this event demonstrates extremism knows no religious boundaries,

Yup. It had little to do with the particular religion he was raised in. He was a seriously mentally disturbed man who happened to be gay and was raised in a religious home where he was taught that being gay is an abomination. Quite a combination.

Actually, I was remarking to responses to the event, with radicals of apparently each of the religions related to Judaism (Judaism, Christianity, Islam) applauding the massacre. But yes, if this person was gay, this was more caused by the hate and bigotry of his father and religion than anything else.

 

[repoman]

Yup. It had little to do with the particular religion he was raised in. He was a seriously mentally disturbed man who happened to be gay and was raised in a religious home where he was taught that being gay is an abomination. Quite a combination.

It's like a hate competition.

Uganda won't be left behind!

 

[TSwizzle]

Reports now saying his wife knew what he was planning and accompanied him on recon. That is messed up if true.