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How MBA Programs Drive Inequality: Business school students are taught to extract resources instead of creating value.

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William Lazonick, professor of economics at the University of Massachusetts Lowell, where he directs the Center for Industrial Competitiveness, sees something in the core teachings of business schools that ensures that firms do not give workers a fair shake. Lazonick, who has been on the faculty of Harvard Business School and of INSEAD business school in France, observes that starting in the 1980s, business schools underwent a transformation in philosophy and orientation that reflected shifts in the economics discipline and in the economy at large.

During that time, Wall Street was taking off and American businesses were becoming increasingly financialized —meaning that executives started to base all of their business decisions on the goal of boosting their firms’ stock prices. When corporations become financialized, executives turn their attention away from investing in the productive capabilities of employees, which is the basic building block for rising American living standards. They also tend to allocate fewer resources to research and development, which is where innovation happens. Instead, executives watch the stock market — in large part because their own compensation was increasingly based on the value of the company’s shares. (See Lazonick’s INET paper, ” Profits Without Prosperity.”)

Throughout the 1980s, fewer MBA graduates went into industrial corporations; more headed to Wall Street to make a quick buck. Business schools tailored their hiring to match this trend. They hired professors, particularly economists, who favored theories that tended to prioritize the interests of shareholders and executives who cater to them. Lazonick notes that in 1985, for example, Harvard Business School hired economist Michael Jensen. Jensen, a former University of Chicago student of Milton Friedman, co-authored a famous and often-cited business paper, “Theory of the Firm,” in which he argued that the single goal of a company should be to maximize the return to shareholders. He became one of the most highly visible proponents of shareholder value ideology. Jensen and supporters of this theory believed that it would cause executives to focus on the actual performance of the firm and increase shareholder value over time. They were dead wrong: instead, executives turned their attention to the short-term goal of boosting stock value over the long-term prospects of the company and executive pay shot into the stratosphere.

As Lazonick explains, shareholder-value ideology provides a cover for destructive behavior that tends to heighten inequality in our society. For executives, focusing on shareholder value means that they stop concentrating on the actual work of running a business and creating useful things and services. It boosts their motivation to shirk taxes or lay off workers in the hope that demonstrably cutting costs in an already profitable corporation would boost the stock price in the short term. It also prompts them to allocate more of their profits to shareholders in the forms of dividends and stock buybacks rather than using it to give workers a raise or invest in the technology to improve productivity or create new products.
https://ineteconomics.org/ideas-papers/blog/how-mba-programs-drive-inequality

This is a reason why the "economy" comes to recovery from recessions while the population lingers in depression.
 
I agree. The "bottom line" focus is so very short-sighted.
 
Reminded me of science documentary I once watched. It was about "Speed" and was not about wallstreet scambags. But in one example they talked about High Frequency Trading, and how they built radio relay line between New York and Chicago to facilitate that. One of the dorks who built that nonsense really said "We make money here with that system", and I said "no, you don't you fucking dork, you extract money from other people"
 
Well I got my MBA from the University of Massachusetts / Amherst and as I recall it was about creating value. Now that was over 30 years ago so maybe things are different now.
 
Reminded me of science documentary I once watched. It was about "Speed" and was not about wallstreet scambags. But in one example they talked about High Frequency Trading, and how they built radio relay line between New York and Chicago to facilitate that. One of the dorks who built that nonsense really said "We make money here with that system", and I said "no, you don't you fucking dork, you extract money from other people"

I had a thought here: How about a SEC fee on the rapid execution of trades? The faster you want it executed the higher the percentage. Goodbye HFT without harming actual investors.
 
Reminded me of science documentary I once watched. It was about "Speed" and was not about wallstreet scambags. But in one example they talked about High Frequency Trading, and how they built radio relay line between New York and Chicago to facilitate that. One of the dorks who built that nonsense really said "We make money here with that system", and I said "no, you don't you fucking dork, you extract money from other people"

I had a thought here: How about a SEC fee on the rapid execution of trades? The faster you want it executed the higher the percentage. Goodbye HFT without harming actual investors.

High frequency trading isn't the problem, just a resulting characteristic. The problem is the actions taken based on an economic philosophy that says speculation along with market manipulation and not real production are the best ways to grow wealth.
 
Reminded me of science documentary I once watched. It was about "Speed" and was not about wallstreet scambags. But in one example they talked about High Frequency Trading, and how they built radio relay line between New York and Chicago to facilitate that. One of the dorks who built that nonsense really said "We make money here with that system", and I said "no, you don't you fucking dork, you extract money from other people"

I had a thought here: How about a SEC fee on the rapid execution of trades? The faster you want it executed the higher the percentage. Goodbye HFT without harming actual investors.
That's not the point here. Problem described in OP is a problem of business schools teaching people to how extract money from other people, not organize the business.
There are number of technical "solutions" to HFT. And simplest one is to fucking ban, and noone except these assholes would get hurt.
 
Couple of related articles :

What Happened When Homo Economicus Entered Business School

Want to Kill Your Economy? Have MBA Programs Churn out Takers Not Makers


IMO some of the blame rests with the firms. Back in the day, MBAs were glorified salesmen (preferably saleswomen), politely excluded from production and hiring decisions. Technically savvy folks would patiently explain to them why it isn't always a good idea to accept the cheapest bid. Modern firms seem to be making the mistake of taking the term "Master of Business Administration" literally.
 
Well I got my MBA from the University of Massachusetts / Amherst and as I recall it was about creating value. Now that was over 30 years ago so maybe things are different now.

Well, you can either trust your own real world experience or a politicized rant on a left wing message board by someone with an agenda.

It's a tough call.
 
Well I got my MBA from the University of Massachusetts / Amherst and as I recall it was about creating value. Now that was over 30 years ago so maybe things are different now.

Well, you can either trust your own real world experience or a politicized rant on a left wing message board by someone with an agenda.

It's a tough call.

Or his experience is over 30 years old and things are changing. Plus, not all schools are going to be teaching the same philosophy.

Maybe my being a biologist makes me misunderstand the modern market. I've only studied economics as a hobby (reading Friedman, Smith, etc...) apart from some courses in school in ag econ, natural resource and environmental economics, and game theory. My current belief is that the tax code, low rate on capital gains and whatnot, encourages people to seek profit by winning at trades rather than by producing something and selling it. A smart kid coming out of school is going to learn how to extract capital and grow a portfolio rather than build a business that produces a product or service. I consider it a by-product of the supply-side scam. Capital is going to just magically go to productive use even if it is more lucrative to grow the Capital by buying and selling rather than by producing and selling.
 
Well, you can either trust your own real world experience or a politicized rant on a left wing message board by someone with an agenda.

It's a tough call.

Or his experience is over 30 years old and things are changing. Plus, not all schools are going to be teaching the same philosophy.

Maybe my being a biologist makes me misunderstand the modern market. I've only studied economics as a hobby (reading Friedman, Smith, etc...) apart from some courses in school in ag econ, natural resource and environmental economics, and game theory. My current belief is that the tax code, low rate on capital gains and whatnot, encourages people to seek profit by winning at trades rather than by producing something and selling it. A smart kid coming out of school is going to learn how to extract capital and grow a portfolio rather than build a business that produces a product or service. I consider it a by-product of the supply-side scam. Capital is going to just magically go to productive use even if it is more lucrative to grow the Capital by buying and selling rather than by producing and selling.

I'd bet a testicle that MBA programs have not become less touchy-feely in the last 30 years.
 
Reminded me of science documentary I once watched. It was about "Speed" and was not about wallstreet scambags. But in one example they talked about High Frequency Trading, and how they built radio relay line between New York and Chicago to facilitate that. One of the dorks who built that nonsense really said "We make money here with that system", and I said "no, you don't you fucking dork, you extract money from other people"
I had a thought here: How about a SEC fee on the rapid execution of trades? The faster you want it executed the higher the percentage. Goodbye HFT without harming actual investors.
Yes, we don't want to harm the Romneys out there who don't work and just live off of the interest.

I had a thought here: How about a SEC fee on the rapid execution of trades? The faster you want it executed the higher the percentage. Goodbye HFT without harming actual investors.
High frequency trading isn't the problem, just a resulting characteristic.
I think it very much a problem. It is creating wealth from thin air. It'd be like becoming wealthy because of floating point decimal errors. It is genius, but it actually is creating nothing but inflation, inventing money.
 
I'm thinking through my business experience back to my college classes and I'm not familiar with the technical term "touchy-feely". What's that mean?
 
I had a thought here: How about a SEC fee on the rapid execution of trades? The faster you want it executed the higher the percentage. Goodbye HFT without harming actual investors.

High frequency trading isn't the problem, just a resulting characteristic. The problem is the actions taken based on an economic philosophy that says speculation along with market manipulation and not real production are the best ways to grow wealth.

There is no speculation in HFT. They make extract money from other players through faster access to data.
 
I'm thinking through my business experience back to my college classes and I'm not familiar with the technical term "touchy-feely". What's that mean?

Just imagine Joe Biden in a room full of 12 year old girls.



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High frequency trading isn't the problem, just a resulting characteristic. The problem is the actions taken based on an economic philosophy that says speculation along with market manipulation and not real production are the best ways to grow wealth.

There is no speculation in HFT. They make extract money from other players through faster access to data.

It's a tax.
 
There is no speculation in HFT. They make extract money from other players through faster access to data.

It's a tax.
Taxes are collected and then spent on something supposedly useful (for taxpayers). Here they are collected and then spent on useless stuff like tax collecting system itself. In other words people who pay that "tax" get absolutely nothing in return. So it's more like extortion.
 
I would be very curious what are the top lessons that an MBAer would say they got from school. Out of the 20 or so classes they take only a few would cover the issue discussed in the OP.
 
I would be very curious what are the top lessons that an MBAer would say they got from school. Out of the 20 or so classes they take only a few would cover the issue discussed in the OP.

It probably wouldn't be that challenging to find on-line course descriptions or find out what text books they use and see what's in them.

https://mba.wharton.upenn.edu/academics/curriculum/

But be warned: accounting classes generally cover a lot of accounting...
 
It's a tax.
Taxes are collected and then spent on something supposedly useful (for taxpayers). Here they are collected and then spent on useless stuff like tax collecting system itself. In other words people who pay that "tax" get absolutely nothing in return. So it's more like extortion.

Whatever. HFT has no authority to tax, but that's what their activities amount to. A non-productive drain on the system.
 
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