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Irony from Dubya

Artemus

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It seems that good old George W. Bush (AKA "Shrub", AKA "Dubya") is worried that the Republican party is imploding. I find this is bit hysterical considering since he is the one who started it being the party irrational fear and paranoia with the "Terrah (R) Alert Levels" and "Patriot Act," among others. What precisely did he expect would happen with that sort of "leadership"? Didn't he get exactly what he wanted?

(Put it in the main forum and not election forum since it more general politics.)
 
I don't think what we see today in the GOP began with him. It started when Rush Limbaugh came onto the scene. He was the original daily manufacturer of anger, fear, and unapologetic hate for anyone not Republican. It's not that this didn't exist before him, it obviously did, but not on a daily basis. Limbaugh pioneered the every-single-day multi-hour blitz of half-truths and outright lies, taking advantage of Americans' general trust in the media.

But he sounded legitimate. He had the voice of a newscaster and spoke in simple language that was easy to comprehend, and he must be telling the truth because hell, he's nationwide. There was none of this business about nuance, complicated legislative issues, the complexities of different circumstances, historical considerations, or anything else that would take the focus off of the simple message of "America is great, you're an American, so you're great; but there are those actively plotting to take it all from you--and here's who they are." It's all very black and white with not a lot of need to think. All one knows is that what they're feeling has been articulated by a voice on the air.

Others quickly followed because he was so successful and it took less than a decade before there were a lot of nationally syndicated copycats on the radio as well as an entire news network devoted to broadcasting in the Limbaugh style.

Dubbya was the half-wit legacy beneficiary of it all.

Trump is the ultimate culmination of it.
 
It is incredible. W was sold as a unifier. Oddly, over the other Candidate who actually was a unifier (John McCain before the pod people got to him). The base went with the Draft dodging, fake Texas native, alcoholic over the war hero, maverick who did try to unify both parties to get things done. Lesson? Right-wing can be convinced to vote for anyone. I didn't like the idea of W at all. And the warning signs turned out to be true, with an abysmal handling of just about any crisis that occurred.

The true irony is that while W sucked as a unifier, Trump can't even unify his own party. If we can call it his own party. He isn't a Republican. He isn't even a politician!

The convention booed Mitch McConnell while leaving the stage after endorsing Donald Trump. This election for the Republicans seems to have nothing to do with politics and everything to do with nationalism. It is frightening!
Well, people elected him twice.
Once. The people elected W. Bush once.

The Electoral College elected him twice (via an assist from SCOTUS).
 
I don't think what we see today in the GOP began with him. It started when Rush Limbaugh came onto the scene. He was the original daily manufacturer of anger, fear, and unapologetic hate for anyone not Republican. It's not that this didn't exist before him, it obviously did, but not on a daily basis. Limbaugh pioneered the every-single-day multi-hour blitz of half-truths and outright lies, taking advantage of Americans' general trust in the media.
In part. Some may say it started with the resignation of President Nixon. The Neocons took over. The party supported an actor turned politician for the nomination. The AM Radio propaganda war started. It really caught fire in the 90s. Then in the W Administration, the Republican Party started sounding like the AM Radio hosts, and the AM Radio hosts began sounding more and more partisan. Now the Republican Party doesn't seem to actually represent any actual political positions other than anti-Democrat and the AM Radio dial is befuddled with the monster it has created.

Dubbya was the half-wit legacy beneficiary of it all.

Trump is the ultimate culmination of it.
Here is the problem, Trump isn't the ultimate culmination. Things can get much worse. Trump isn't a Republican. Trump isn't what Limbaugh was aiming for. Trump is what happened. 30+ years of propaganda against gays, blacks, latinos, liberals, the media. This isn't a political nominee. This is Nationalist nominee, not in the sense of a Nazi so to speak, but this is about a candidate that is running for office to make America Great and just that. There are no plans, just something a to be Dictator says when first rising into power. Mussolini did it. And Trump is entering into it. I fear his candidacy alone could set back this nation, unless it can be defeated and buried in a massive landslide. Trump is an idiot and doesn't know politics. But if Trump were to win, dog help us!, someone in his wings won't be, and will seize an unprecedented opportunity being handed to him.
 
I don't think what we see today in the GOP began with him. It started when Rush Limbaugh came onto the scene. He was the original daily manufacturer of anger, fear, and unapologetic hate for anyone not Republican. It's not that this didn't exist before him, it obviously did, but not on a daily basis. Limbaugh pioneered the every-single-day multi-hour blitz of half-truths and outright lies, taking advantage of Americans' general trust in the media.

But as president, Bush could have ignored the hate speech and moved the party and the country away from it. Instead he embraced it and then invaded a country based on the fact that a popular religion there was the same as that of the people who actually attacked us. A huge part of the blame lies directly with him, IMO.
 
I The base went with the Draft dodging, fake Texas native, alcoholic over the war hero, maverick who did try to unify both parties to get things done.

I've always wondered where we would be today if McCain had received the nomination in 2000. Certainly better off (politically speaking) than we are now.
 
Is it weird that the Trump candidacy kind of has people looking back at Dubya with a fond nostalgia?
 
Is it weird that the Trump candidacy kind of has people looking back at Dubya with a fond nostalgia?

I'd rather have Trump as president than Dubya since Trump wouldn't be taken seriously by either party in Congress. Absolutely nothing, good or bad, would occur for 4 years, which would be far better than letting Bush have his way again.
 
Is it weird that the Trump candidacy kind of has people looking back at Dubya with a fond nostalgia?

I'd rather have Trump as president than Dubya since Trump wouldn't be taken seriously by either party in Congress. Absolutely nothing, good or bad, would occur for 4 years, which would be far better than letting Bush have his way again.
I disagree. Trump winning would give his supporters even more undue sense of being right. Shit could really get bad.
 
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