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Republicans Finally Admit Why They Really Hate Obamacare

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And so conservative objections to Obamacare are finally turning from the practical to the philosophical. In response to reports that Obamacare insurance turns out to be affordable, Roy, who has spent months warning of rate shock, mocks that “other people’s money will pay for it.” Conservative columnist Byron York likewise argues “Obamacare’s ‘good news’ applies only to the poor.”

It is true that Obamacare is far more helpful to people lower down the income scale. The poorest people get Medicaid, which is free. Those higher up the income ladder get tax credits, which phase out at $45,000 a year for an individual, and $94,000 a year for a family of four. (I wouldn’t call people earning under those levels “poor.”) Of course, people who get employer-sponsored insurance also get their coverage paid for with “other peoples’ money.” The difference is that employer-sponsored insurance uses a tax deduction, which gives the largest benefits to those who earn the most money, as opposed to Obamacare’s sliding scale tax credit, which gives the most to those who earn the least.

But at least conservatives are now representing their true bedrock position on Obamacare. It is largely a transfer program benefitting people who either don’t have enough money, or pose too high a health risk, to bear the cost of their own medical care. Conservatives don’t like transfer programs because they require helping the less fortunate with other peoples’ money.

So it basically comes down to conservative pundits and politicians don't like the ACA because it helps poor people with money from wealthier people. And since money=good that means good people are being forced to help bad people.
 
Yes. The Republican party represents the wealthiest Americans and only the wealthiest Americans.

All other Americans that support them are helpful stooges.

Nothing new. Every policy they support is what the rich are asking for.
 
Yes. The Republican party represents the wealthiest Americans and only the wealthiest Americans.

All other Americans that support them are helpful stooges.

Nothing new. Every policy they support is what the rich are asking for.
Actually, they typically represent poor white folks. But somehow they have convinced the poor white folk that they shouldn't like raising standards of living for the poor because the poor are evil, but not them personally. The other poor people.
 
Yes. The Republican party represents the wealthiest Americans and only the wealthiest Americans.

All other Americans that support them are helpful stooges.

Nothing new. Every policy they support is what the rich are asking for.
Actually, they typically represent poor white folks. But somehow they have convinced the poor white folk that they shouldn't like raising standards of living for the poor because the poor are evil, but not them personally. The other poor people.

And by "other poor people" they mean blacks and Hispanics.
 
Yes. The Republican party represents the wealthiest Americans and only the wealthiest Americans.

All other Americans that support them are helpful stooges.

Nothing new. Every policy they support is what the rich are asking for.
Actually, they typically represent poor white folks. But somehow they have convinced the poor white folk that they shouldn't like raising standards of living for the poor because the poor are evil, but not them personally. The other poor people.

And by "other poor people" they mean blacks and Hispanics.
Especially the Hispanics that are stealing jobs from Americans. They are the laziest!
 
The conservatives have always opposed public assistance philosophically-it's actually the bedrock of their philosophy. Polling the American people, on the other hand, has constantly shown that access to healthcare for those who cannot afford it has overwhelming support. The argument has always been "who will pay for it", an argument, by the way, that has always been fostered by the conservatives. It's a smokescreen-we as a nation pay for healthcare for everyone, period. This is the only practical way to look at healthcare; what percentage of our GDP goes to healthcare, and how can we reduce that percentage while still maintaining an acceptable level of care?

The conservatives have always been in the extreme minority view on this issue, but like other issues that plague our country their well funded propaganda machine has managed to keep their views entrenched in American policy.
 
Yes. The Republican party represents the wealthiest Americans and only the wealthiest Americans.

All other Americans that support them are helpful stooges.

Nothing new. Every policy they support is what the rich are asking for.
Actually, they typically represent poor white folks. But somehow they have convinced the poor white folk that they shouldn't like raising standards of living for the poor because the poor are evil, but not them personally. The other poor people.
No they don't represent them at all.

They are part of the helpful stooges.
 
I think Jimmy meant they represent them in the sense that they are the elected representative not that they actually pursue policies that would help their poor, white constituents.
 
I think Jimmy meant they represent them in the sense that they are the elected representative not that they actually pursue policies that would help their poor, white constituents.

Their outlook rests mostly on a sense of what they think is fairness, and getting what you put in. They figure that people should not get a free lunch, should not get a hand out, etc. They want everything to be earned. What they fail to realize is that we don't all start at the same position. They believe in the "American Dream" and that if they work hard they can get rich.

I can see why they react negatively to people spending welfare money, money the rest of us give them to help them survive, on porn or chocolate bars. I can also understand their reluctance to pay for the medical care of smokers and other risk takers. They live under a mindset where fairness and "you reap what you sow" trumps empathy and compassion. Many of them would like to stop free riding even if it costs more to stop it than the free riding itself would cost. Its a moral imperative to them. And republicans know how to tap into this.

Republicans also know how to tap into their senses of ingroup loyalty (and outgroup hatred) and "moral purity" (ie, "family values"), way way better than democrats ever could.
 
They live under a mindset where fairness and "you reap what you sow" trumps empathy and compassion.

And it kills me that most of these guys purport to follow jesus Christ who was all about trumping empathy and compassion.

Wait . . .
 
The really insidious part of the republican mindset is that their economists tell them that in order to maintain a healthy economy, we must have a "strong labor reserve". ( A term they like to use for high unemployment.)

So we have a situation where a CEO will lay-0ff 10,000 workers and the next day earns $20 million because the stock in his corporation goes up 10 points, the whole time this is happening he and his shareholders are griping about the freeloaders they are having to help out with healthcare and food stamps.
 
I think Jimmy meant they represent them in the sense that they are the elected representative not that they actually pursue policies that would help their poor, white constituents.
Yes, having people that vote for you, because of a multitude of meaningless issues from immigration to guns to homosexual rights, is not the same as representing them.

The anti-immigrant rhetoric is merely the focused-group net that so easily catches some that don't expect the government to represent them. They'll do fine just as soon as we close that border with Mexico real good, and kick all the people that got here by crossing it out.
 
All of the aforementioned reasons are good and valid, but none of them are the true reason conservative hate Obamacare. Conservatives hate Obamacare because they know it will work and tear away the GOP's carefully constructed coalition and return their party to perpetual minority status. This is why our current crop of candidates sing that they will repeal Obamacare. They won't, and they can't.

By election time, there will be so many people enrolled, everyone in the country will have a friend or family member who depends upon the ACA for their health insurance. A vote against Obamacare will strike close to almost every home.
 
All of the aforementioned reasons are good and valid, but none of them are the true reason conservative hate Obamacare. Conservatives hate Obamacare because they know it will work and tear away the GOP's carefully constructed coalition and return their party to perpetual minority status. This is why our current crop of candidates sing that they will repeal Obamacare. They won't, and they can't.

By election time, there will be so many people enrolled, everyone in the country will have a friend or family member who depends upon the ACA for their health insurance. A vote against Obamacare will strike close to almost every home.
And in a desperate attempt to demonize the legislation, branded a Democrat's name on a program that the people won't want to repeal.
 
All of the aforementioned reasons are good and valid, but none of them are the true reason conservative hate Obamacare. Conservatives hate Obamacare because they know it will work and tear away the GOP's carefully constructed coalition and return their party to perpetual minority status. This is why our current crop of candidates sing that they will repeal Obamacare. They won't, and they can't.

By election time, there will be so many people enrolled, everyone in the country will have a friend or family member who depends upon the ACA for their health insurance. A vote against Obamacare will strike close to almost every home.
And in a desperate attempt to demonize the legislation, branded a Democrat's name on a program that the people won't want to repeal.

In christening the ACA as "Obamacare", the GOP hoped to put a label of shame on it, in the same way shanty towns of the Great Depressions were called "Hooverville." I've made a quick survey and every example, except the Monroe Doctrine, I can find of a President's name being attached to something, was a negative connotation. The GOP has inadvertently made President Obama an immortal of US history. They should have offered to put his face on Mount Rushmore.
 
All of the aforementioned reasons are good and valid, but none of them are the true reason conservative hate Obamacare. Conservatives hate Obamacare because they know it will work and tear away the GOP's carefully constructed coalition and return their party to perpetual minority status. This is why our current crop of candidates sing that they will repeal Obamacare. They won't, and they can't.

By election time, there will be so many people enrolled, everyone in the country will have a friend or family member who depends upon the ACA for their health insurance. A vote against Obamacare will strike close to almost every home.
And in a desperate attempt to demonize the legislation, branded a Democrat's name on a program that the people won't want to repeal.

In christening the ACA as "Obamacare", the GOP hoped to put a label of shame on it, in the same way shanty towns of the Great Depressions were called "Hooverville." I've made a quick survey and every example, except the Monroe Doctrine, I can find of a President's name being attached to something, was a negative connotation. The GOP has inadvertently made President Obama an immortal of US history. They should have offered to put his face on Mount Rushmore.

This is very true. Both Dems and Repubs refer to the Health Act as Obamacare. The name is used whether you're in support of the legislation or not. I find it interesting how that stuck, but "food stamp president" really didn't, despite the number of emails I saw showing a food stamp dollar with Obama's picture on it.
 
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