The night club shooting: Islamist terrorism

[Loren Pechtel]

Transcript of his conversation with the police:

http://freebeacon.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/09/NEGOTIATION1_6146923_ver1.0.pdf

Note what he's talking about.

 

[KeepTalking]

Transcript of his conversation with the police:

http://freebeacon.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/09/NEGOTIATION1_6146923_ver1.0.pdf

Note what he's talking about.

What's your point?

 

[SimpleDon]

Transcript of his conversation with the police:

http://freebeacon.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/09/NEGOTIATION1_6146923_ver1.0.pdf

Note what he's talking about.

I'm under the impression that this was never in question. Have I missed something?

 

[J842P]

Transcript of his conversation with the police:

http://freebeacon.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/09/NEGOTIATION1_6146923_ver1.0.pdf

Note what he's talking about.

I'm under the impression that this was never in question. Have I missed something?

Actually, in certain fringe (although become more mainstream) leftwing circles it was denied that Islam had any influence, and this was an example of Western homophobia and "toxic masculinity." When all you have is a hammer, everything looks like a nail.

 

[untermensche]

Yes.

US illegal aggression overseas can come home to bite you.

 

[Tom Sawyer]

I'm under the impression that this was never in question. Have I missed something?

Actually, in certain fringe (although become more mainstream) leftwing circles it was denied that Islam had any influence, and this was an example of Western homophobia and "toxic masculinity." When all you have is a hammer, everything looks like a nail.

Which ones? Did any of them exist outside of fringe right wing circles?

 

[Trausti]

Yes.

US illegal aggression overseas can come home to bite you.

Just like the Muslim world's enslavement and constant aggression against Christian and European people came back to bite it.

 

[Enigma]

Actually, in certain fringe (although become more mainstream) leftwing circles it was denied that Islam had any influence, and this was an example of Western homophobia and "toxic masculinity." When all you have is a hammer, everything looks like a nail.

Which ones? Did any of them exist outside of fringe right wing circles?

Are Salon and The Atlantic considered fringe left-wing publications these days?

http://www.salon.com/2016/06/13/overcompensation_nation_its_time_to_admit_that_toxic_masculinity_drives_gun_violence/

http://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2016/06/toxic-masculinity-and-mass-murder/486983/

Anyways, both Islam and Toxic Masculinity are obvious deflections from the true cause of the Orlando shootings: Video Games.

 

[ronburgundy]

Actually, in certain fringe (although become more mainstream) leftwing circles it was denied that Islam had any influence, and this was an example of Western homophobia and "toxic masculinity." When all you have is a hammer, everything looks like a nail.

Which ones? Did any of them exist outside of fringe right wing circles?

Actually, our resident Islamopologists and left-wing regressives on this board criticized all suggestions that Islamic ideology played any role in this attack.

I'd offer a prize if you can guess which ones, but that is way too easy. If you want to check your answers, scroll through this thread.

 

[untermensche]

Yes.

US illegal aggression overseas can come home to bite you.

Just like the Muslim world's enslavement and constant aggression against Christian and European people came back to bite it.

???

Are you living on some foreign planet?

The US terrorist attack of the Iraqi people was based on nothing but lies. It had no justifiable cause.

It was an imperialist attack of a weak nation in an attempt to control it's resources.

And ISIS rose out of the ashes of that brutal and insane attack.

We are dealing with the blowback of massive US aggression and terrorism. And of course decades of US fostering of Islamic fundamentalism in an attempt to counter Arab nationalism.

And the US will likely suffer a lot more blowback since so many are so blind to the root causes of it.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

Transcript of his conversation with the police:

http://freebeacon.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/09/NEGOTIATION1_6146923_ver1.0.pdf

Note what he's talking about.

I'm under the impression that this was never in question. Have I missed something?

Some have tried to say it was homophobia, not Islam, that was driving him.

- - - Updated - - -

Just like the Muslim world's enslavement and constant aggression against Christian and European people came back to bite it.

???

Are you living on some foreign planet?

The US terrorist attack of the Iraqi people was based on nothing but lies. It had no justifiable cause.

It was an imperialist attack of a weak nation in an attempt to control it's resources.

And ISIS rose out of the ashes of that brutal and insane attack.

We are dealing with the blowback of massive US aggression and terrorism. And of course decades of US fostering of Islamic fundamentalism in an attempt to counter Arab nationalism.

And the US will likely suffer a lot more blowback since so many are so blind to the root causes of it.

You're the one on another planet.

Islam has been on the warpath since it's formation. The "attacks" on Islam are all on land Islam has conquered, mostly by the sword.

 

[Tom Sawyer]

Which ones? Did any of them exist outside of fringe right wing circles?

Are Salon and The Atlantic considered fringe left-wing publications these days?

http://www.salon.com/2016/06/13/overcompensation_nation_its_time_to_admit_that_toxic_masculinity_drives_gun_violence/

http://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2016/06/toxic-masculinity-and-mass-murder/486983/

Anyways, both Islam and Toxic Masculinity are obvious deflections from the true cause of the Orlando shootings: Video Games.

Well, those were some dumb opinions.

 

[untermensche]

You're the one on another planet.

Islam has been on the warpath since it's formation. The "attacks" on Islam are all on land Islam has conquered, mostly by the sword.

On the warpath?

As opposed to what that wasn't on the warpath all that time as well?

But there was no ISIS of any strength or threat until the US terrorist attack of Iraq created it.

 

[Don2 (Don1 Revised)]

So his gay homophobia was part of an undercover terrorist strategy. He didn't actually like sucking dicks. Interesting.

 

[whichphilosophy]

You're the one on another planet.

Islam has been on the warpath since it's formation. The "attacks" on Islam are all on land Islam has conquered, mostly by the sword.

On the warpath?

As opposed to what that wasn't on the warpath all that time as well?

But there was no ISIS of any strength or threat until the US terrorist attack of Iraq created it.

The dictator in Iraq kept the lid on the Pandora's box. As soon as Saddam's military infrastructure was removed and not replaced out came ISIS and started to take over territory, exhort taxes and hire troops. If the US wanted to be learn to be colonialists, then using the colony's own army is far more efficient and cost effective than trying to build a new one from scratch. (Sun Zhu talked about capturing a foreign army intact is the best strategy).

By the way the US and UK don't have war criminals. Those that commit crimes are called war heros.

 

[whichphilosophy]

I'm under the impression that this was never in question. Have I missed something?

Some have tried to say it was homophobia, not Islam, that was driving him.

- - - Updated - - -

Just like the Muslim world's enslavement and constant aggression against Christian and European people came back to bite it.

???

Are you living on some foreign planet?

The US terrorist attack of the Iraqi people was based on nothing but lies. It had no justifiable cause.

It was an imperialist attack of a weak nation in an attempt to control it's resources.

And ISIS rose out of the ashes of that brutal and insane attack.

We are dealing with the blowback of massive US aggression and terrorism. And of course decades of US fostering of Islamic fundamentalism in an attempt to counter Arab nationalism.

And the US will likely suffer a lot more blowback since so many are so blind to the root causes of it.

You're the one on another planet.

Islam has been on the warpath since it's formation. The "attacks" on Islam are all on land Islam has conquered, mostly by the sword.

Without the US regime changes ISIS would not even be noticed. Another fine mess; same as Libya.

 

[whichphilosophy]

I'm under the impression that this was never in question. Have I missed something?

Some have tried to say it was homophobia, not Islam, that was driving him.

- - - Updated - - -

Just like the Muslim world's enslavement and constant aggression against Christian and European people came back to bite it.

???

Are you living on some foreign planet?

The US terrorist attack of the Iraqi people was based on nothing but lies. It had no justifiable cause.

It was an imperialist attack of a weak nation in an attempt to control it's resources.

And ISIS rose out of the ashes of that brutal and insane attack.

We are dealing with the blowback of massive US aggression and terrorism. And of course decades of US fostering of Islamic fundamentalism in an attempt to counter Arab nationalism.

And the US will likely suffer a lot more blowback since so many are so blind to the root causes of it.

You're the one on another planet.

Islam has been on the warpath since it's formation. The "attacks" on Islam are all on land Islam has conquered, mostly by the sword.

When I was at school in Singapore a friend of mine placed a fire cracker on an red ants nest (about 1/2 inch long). When it exploded he was covered with ants. They were quite happy fighting other ants and termites in areas they controlled but the attack on its nest spread their area of operation.

The formula is I - S = ISIS (Iraq - Saddam's tight control = ISIS (out of the Pandora box).

 

[Don2 (Don1 Revised)]

Actually, our resident Islamopologists and left-wing regressives on this board criticized all suggestions that Islamic ideology played any role in this attack.

I'd offer a prize if you can guess which ones, but that is way too easy. If you want to check your answers, scroll through this thread.

Has anyone else clicked the link and observed that the assertions made in this post aren't true? I wonder why someone would post something easily verified as untrue by clicking a link?

 

[ronburgundy]

Actually, our resident Islamopologists and left-wing regressives on this board criticized all suggestions that Islamic ideology played any role in this attack.

I'd offer a prize if you can guess which ones, but that is way too easy. If you want to check your answers, scroll through this thread.

Has anyone else clicked the link and observed that the assertions made in this post aren't true? I wonder why someone would post something easily verified as untrue by clicking a link?

It is absolutely true, which is why, as always, you have zero argument or facts to refute it, just blind dismissal.

Your reply shows that you know that you are among the predictable islamopologists who dismissed any meaningful role of Islam, just as you did again in this very thread by implying that his being gay precludes any meaningful role of his identification with Islam, despite his own very explicit statements to the contrary.

 

[laughing dog]

Has anyone else clicked the link and observed that the assertions made in this post aren't true? I wonder why someone would post something easily verified as untrue by clicking a link?

It is absolutely true, which is why, as always, you have zero argument or facts to refute it, just blind dismissal.

No it is not true. The example you gave is taken out of context. At the time of the posting there was insufficient information to determine the motivating factors of the shooter. People could make guesses but knowledge about the motivating factors was not available. Any attempt to portray those comments as denial of the role of Islam is an example of intellectual sloppiness or dishonesty.