WhichPhilosophies Marxist derail thread

[ZiprHead]

Marxism could only be applied if it was in government....

FFS, Ziprhead was clearing asking what Marxist ideas were used to inspire these women to march? Instead of trotting histories of 8 honorary co-chairs (honorary usually means they have nothing to do with the actual planning or logistics of the march) and ignoring the people who actually organized the march and strikes, and posting irrelevant drivel, how about actually responding to the actual content of a question with an answer that is actually related to the content of the question? Just for a change, try it.

Actually, I think my question could be a little clearer. Let's try this again, WP.

What marxism did the marxist organizers use to inspire other women to march?

 

[laughing dog]

....blah blah blah......

Non-responsive to the question. Your attempts to smear the marches with some sort of moronic guilt by association by pointing out the past of 8 honorary co-chairs reflect much more on you than on the marches.

 

[whichphilosophy]

FFS, Ziprhead was clearing asking what Marxist ideas were used to inspire these women to march? Instead of trotting histories of 8 honorary co-chairs (honorary usually means they have nothing to do with the actual planning or logistics of the march) and ignoring the people who actually organized the march and strikes, and posting irrelevant drivel, how about actually responding to the actual content of a question with an answer that is actually related to the content of the question? Just for a change, try it.

Actually, I think my question could be a little clearer. Let's try this again, WP.

What marxism did the marxist organizers use to inspire other women to march?

Before I will expand is there enough evidence they are Marxist including a convicted terrorist who also served jail time in the USA for not declaring this as I mentioned.
Actually the march was already inspired without the Marxist presence.

 

[whichphilosophy]

....blah blah blah......

Non-responsive to the question. Your attempts to smear the marches with some sort of moronic guilt by association by pointing out the past of 8 honorary co-chairs reflect much more on you than on the marches.

Not at all see the question above before expanding on this. Also only one of the 8 (Angela Davis) is an honorary chair. Where is the evidence of smearing a perfectly legitimate march which was an international event regarding women's rights.

I may add that Muslim women, other minority women and other US women are more empowered, have better rights and a standard of living than women in most other countries around the world.

So I have shown 7 out of 8 as ultra left wing including 2 with a terrorist past, 5 Marxists (including a Maoist) and 1 non Marxist for the SECOND march. Only one is an hon. chair (Davis)for the FIRST march.

Just a note but this does relate; members of the FIRST March were arrested during the Women's strike for disorderly conduct. While the world campaigned for better women's rights Linda Sasour and other Members of the Committee were arrested for disorderly conduct while protesting against Trump.

http://dennismichaellynch.com/muslim-womens-march-activist-linda-sarsour-arrested/


Before expanding is the above sentence clear. I have provided references.

 

[laughing dog]

Non-responsive to the question. Your attempts to smear the marches with some sort of moronic guilt by association by pointing out the past of 8 honorary co-chairs reflect much more on you than on the marches.

.... blah blah blah

Thank you for reinforcing my point. You still have not answered Ziprhead's or my question.

 

[whichphilosophy]

.... blah blah blah

Thank you for reinforcing my point. You still have not answered Ziprhead's or my question.

I corrected some wrong concepts you had regarding the women's march. I asked to to acknowledge the Marxist and terrorist content of the team involved organising the March 08 2017. If you understand this it is easy to go on to the next step to link this further with the true purpose of this group which is evident what really took place on these marches. That is to say the Marxist agenda vs the Women's march.

 

[laughing dog]

Thank you for reinforcing my point. You still have not answered Ziprhead's or my question.

I corrected some wrong concepts you had regarding the women's march. I asked to to acknowledge the Marxist and terrorist content of the team involved organising the March 08 2017. If you understand this it is easy to go on to the next step to link this further with the true purpose of this group which is evident what really took place on these marches. That is to say the Marxist agenda vs the Women's march.

So now we are back again to the your real agenda: all of those women had no idea what or why they were really protesting and that it takes a man to sort it out.

 

[KeepTalking]

Just a note but this does relate; members of the FIRST March were arrested during the Women's strike for disorderly conduct. While the world campaigned for better women's rights Linda Sasour and other Members of the Committee were arrested for disorderly conduct while protesting against Trump.

http://dennismichaellynch.com/muslim-womens-march-activist-linda-sarsour-arrested/

It's called civil disobedience, they were not violent, they were simply standing in the street and refused to move.

BTW this wasn't the "FIRST march", that would have been the January 21st march. You continue to conflate these events, for some unknown reason, but at this point it certainly seems intentional.

 

[whichphilosophy]

Just a note but this does relate; members of the FIRST March were arrested during the Women's strike for disorderly conduct. While the world campaigned for better women's rights Linda Sasour and other Members of the Committee were arrested for disorderly conduct while protesting against Trump.

http://dennismichaellynch.com/muslim-womens-march-activist-linda-sarsour-arrested/

It's called civil disobedience, they were not violent, they were simply standing in the street and refused to move.

BTW this wasn't the "FIRST march", that would have been the January 21st march. You continue to conflate these events, for some unknown reason, but at this point it certainly seems intentional.

I am stating the events as is. Currently I am referring to the Women's strike 08 March 2017.
Let me know what is conflated.

To recap this particular day women campaigned for equal rights around the world.
Meanwhile, Linda Sasour et al campaigned against Trump as the article you also quoted, namely in front of Trump Towers. She and others were arrested for disorderly conduct. They blocked the Trump Towers and refused to disperse after several warnings.

In both marches she failed to utter a word about inhumane treatment of women in Islamic countries unless for some reason they do not appear in Google.
Other groups did that of course.

The US is an imperfect society but a great place for individual freedoms; that's why people from all over the world want to go to America.
Muslims and others who go to America have a great opportunity to do well in life. Most make it.

 

[KeepTalking]

It's called civil disobedience, they were not violent, they were simply standing in the street and refused to move.

BTW this wasn't the "FIRST march", that would have been the January 21st march. You continue to conflate these events, for some unknown reason, but at this point it certainly seems intentional.

I am stating the events as they are.

Not when you refer to something as the "FIRST march" when it was not the first march.

On this particular day women campaigned for equal rights around the world.

Yes, they did, but this was the second time they did that, not the first. This was the Day Without Women protest, and the intent was not to march in the streets, but for women to withhold their labor. The march was incidental to the protest.

Linda Sasour et al campaigned against Trump as the article you quoted, namely in front of Trump Towers.

Good for her. Is there something intrinsically wrong with campaigning against Trump in front of Trump Towers?

In both marches she failed to utter a word about inhumane treatment of women in Islamic countries unless for some reason they do not appear in Google.

In other words, you don't actually know if she uttered any words about that subject.

Check out these points.

What points?

 

[whichphilosophy]

I am stating the events as they are.

Not when you refer to something as the "FIRST march" when it was not the first march.

On this particular day women campaigned for equal rights around the world.

Yes, they did, but this was the second time they did that, not the first. This was the Day Without Women protest, and the intent was not to march in the streets, but for women to withhold their labor. The march was incidental to the protest.

Linda Sasour et al campaigned against Trump as the article you quoted, namely in front of Trump Towers.

Good for her. Is there something intrinsically wrong with campaigning against Trump in front of Trump Towers?

In both marches she failed to utter a word about inhumane treatment of women in Islamic countries unless for some reason they do not appear in Google.

In other words, you don't actually know if she uttered any words about that subject.

Check out these points.

What points?

Women did gather and march during the Women's strike. Marching or walking or gravitating to one point is unavoidable during strikes.
I agree per my earlier points the second Women's events did produce more international protests for women's rights. This is true, but the 'Women's march organisers' such as Sasour and Perez were arrested during an anti-Trump protest on that day.

There is nothing wrong with campaigning against Trump but once again there was silence on real women's rights. That is to say while the world focused on women's civil issues, Sasour, Perez, Tamika D. Mallory, Bob Bland printed and said nothing about actual women's rights worldwide or really on actual issues in the USA.

You can check Sasour's tweets, and websites and media. There is nothing. Maybe she said this to herself in the bath tub Nothing is public.

When I said check out these points, I refer to the sentences preceding that statements.

 

[laughing dog]

There is nothing wrong with campaigning against Trump but once again there was silence on real women's rights.

See, you just cannot help yourself - these uppity women were not campaigning for the "right stuff". Of course, there are number of threads where you claimed you did not even know what they were campaigning about. Hmmm.

 

[KeepTalking]

Not when you refer to something as the "FIRST march" when it was not the first march.

On this particular day women campaigned for equal rights around the world.

Yes, they did, but this was the second time they did that, not the first. This was the Day Without Women protest, and the intent was not to march in the streets, but for women to withhold their labor. The march was incidental to the protest.

Linda Sasour et al campaigned against Trump as the article you quoted, namely in front of Trump Towers.

Good for her. Is there something intrinsically wrong with campaigning against Trump in front of Trump Towers?

In both marches she failed to utter a word about inhumane treatment of women in Islamic countries unless for some reason they do not appear in Google.

In other words, you don't actually know if she uttered any words about that subject.

Check out these points.

What points?

Women did gather and march during the Women's strike. Marching or walking or gravitating to one point is unavoidable during strikes.

Incorrect. The only thing that one needs to do to be said to be participating in a strike is to avoid working.

I agree per my earlier points the second Women's events did produce more international protests for women's rights. This is true, but the 'Women's march organisers' such as Sasour and Perez were arrested during an anti-Trump protest on that day.

So? She got in a twofer that day. Protesters often protest multiple issues during a single protest.

There is nothing wrong with campaigning against Trump but once again there was silence on real women's rights. That is to say while the world focused on women's civil issues, Sasour, Perez, Tamika D. Mallory, Bob Bland printed and said nothing about actual women's rights worldwide or really on actual issues in the USA.

Did you watch any of the videos at the link you posted? The very first one is of Sasour, marching in line, arms linked with other protesters, chanting "A day without women is a day without me." This seems to be exactly what the women's march that day was centered around.

You can check Sasour's tweets, and websites and media. There is nothing. Maybe she said this to herself in the bath tub Nothing is public.

Or, you could check the video at the link you provided yourself. That seemed rather public to me.

When I said check out these points, I refer to the sentences preceding that statements.

Oh, well, in that case I did check them out, and responded to them directly. For the most part they were found to be false and misleading.

 

[whichphilosophy]

Not when you refer to something as the "FIRST march" when it was not the first march.

On this particular day women campaigned for equal rights around the world.

Yes, they did, but this was the second time they did that, not the first. This was the Day Without Women protest, and the intent was not to march in the streets, but for women to withhold their labor. The march was incidental to the protest.

Linda Sasour et al campaigned against Trump as the article you quoted, namely in front of Trump Towers.

Good for her. Is there something intrinsically wrong with campaigning against Trump in front of Trump Towers?

In both marches she failed to utter a word about inhumane treatment of women in Islamic countries unless for some reason they do not appear in Google.

In other words, you don't actually know if she uttered any words about that subject.

Check out these points.

What points?

Women did gather and march during the Women's strike. Marching or walking or gravitating to one point is unavoidable during strikes.

Incorrect. The only thing that one needs to do to be said to be participating in a strike is to avoid working.

I agree per my earlier points the second Women's events did produce more international protests for women's rights. This is true, but the 'Women's march organisers' such as Sasour and Perez were arrested during an anti-Trump protest on that day.

So? She got in a twofer that day. Protesters often protest multiple issues during a single protest.

There is nothing wrong with campaigning against Trump but once again there was silence on real women's rights. That is to say while the world focused on women's civil issues, Sasour, Perez, Tamika D. Mallory, Bob Bland printed and said nothing about actual women's rights worldwide or really on actual issues in the USA.

Did you watch any of the videos at the link you posted? The very first one is of Sasour, marching in line, arms linked with other protesters, chanting "A day without women is a day without me." This seems to be exactly what the women's march that day was centered around.

You can check Sasour's tweets, and websites and media. There is nothing. Maybe she said this to herself in the bath tub Nothing is public.

Or, you could check the video at the link you provided yourself. That seemed rather public to me.

When I said check out these points, I refer to the sentences preceding that statements.

Oh, well, in that case I did check them out, and responded to them directly. For the most part they were found to be false and misleading.

The intent of the strike was for women’s right. Many did. However Linda Sasour and other members were arrested in front of the Trump Tower (caught in the act).

There was no twofer. There was a oner because their location was at the Trump Towers where they were arrested in the act obstruction not women’s rights. They were not in two places at once

Marching arm in arm to the Trump Towers where they were arrested was a march to Trump Towers against Trump; not a women’s protest for women’s rights
Unless their own websites, reports from left wing and mainstream media were wrong the points provided are correct.

Other groups protested legitimate concerns, while Linda's mob obstructed Trump Towers.

 

[laughing dog]

Not when you refer to something as the "FIRST march" when it was not the first march.

On this particular day women campaigned for equal rights around the world.

Yes, they did, but this was the second time they did that, not the first. This was the Day Without Women protest, and the intent was not to march in the streets, but for women to withhold their labor. The march was incidental to the protest.

Linda Sasour et al campaigned against Trump as the article you quoted, namely in front of Trump Towers.

Good for her. Is there something intrinsically wrong with campaigning against Trump in front of Trump Towers?

In both marches she failed to utter a word about inhumane treatment of women in Islamic countries unless for some reason they do not appear in Google.

In other words, you don't actually know if she uttered any words about that subject.

Check out these points.

What points?

Women did gather and march during the Women's strike. Marching or walking or gravitating to one point is unavoidable during strikes.

Incorrect. The only thing that one needs to do to be said to be participating in a strike is to avoid working.

I agree per my earlier points the second Women's events did produce more international protests for women's rights. This is true, but the 'Women's march organisers' such as Sasour and Perez were arrested during an anti-Trump protest on that day.

So? She got in a twofer that day. Protesters often protest multiple issues during a single protest.

There is nothing wrong with campaigning against Trump but once again there was silence on real women's rights. That is to say while the world focused on women's civil issues, Sasour, Perez, Tamika D. Mallory, Bob Bland printed and said nothing about actual women's rights worldwide or really on actual issues in the USA.

Did you watch any of the videos at the link you posted? The very first one is of Sasour, marching in line, arms linked with other protesters, chanting "A day without women is a day without me." This seems to be exactly what the women's march that day was centered around.

You can check Sasour's tweets, and websites and media. There is nothing. Maybe she said this to herself in the bath tub Nothing is public.

Or, you could check the video at the link you provided yourself. That seemed rather public to me.

When I said check out these points, I refer to the sentences preceding that statements.

Oh, well, in that case I did check them out, and responded to them directly. For the most part they were found to be false and misleading.

The intent of the strike was for women’s right. Many did. However Linda Sasour and other members were arrested in front of the Trump Tower (caught in the act).

There was no twofer. There was a oner because their location was at the Trump Towers where they were arrested in the act obstruction not women’s rights. They were not in two places at once

Marching arm in arm to the Trump Towers where they were arrested was a march to Trump Towers against Trump; not a women’s protest for women’s rights
Unless their own websites, reports from left wing and mainstream media were wrong the points provided are correct.

Other groups protested legitimate concerns, while Linda's mob obstructed Trump Towers.

So what? According to this report

about 1,000 people — many who were women dressed in red — congregated on Fifth Avenue outside Donald Trump's Manhattan residence to demonstrate International Women's Day.

(http://perezhilton.com/2017-03-08-womens-day-international-march-protestors-arrested-donald-trump-tower#.WNL8HKK1tPY. From https://www.yahoo.com/movies/womens-march-organizers-arrested-trump-tower-international-womens-195538040.html

"Today, the national leaders of the Women's March gathered with allies and those participating in the day's actions for a show of solidarity and revolutionary love," a rep for the organization told THR. "After a peaceful protest in New York City in honor of A Day Without a Woman, 13 organizers and supporters were arrested by the New York City Police Department in an act of civil disobedience outside of Trump International Hotel & Towers."

Seems like reality rebuts your claims.
Here's a hint - don't believe most of what is reported by Fox news or Breitbart or Infowars.

 

[whichphilosophy]

Not when you refer to something as the "FIRST march" when it was not the first march.

On this particular day women campaigned for equal rights around the world.

Yes, they did, but this was the second time they did that, not the first. This was the Day Without Women protest, and the intent was not to march in the streets, but for women to withhold their labor. The march was incidental to the protest.

Linda Sasour et al campaigned against Trump as the article you quoted, namely in front of Trump Towers.

Good for her. Is there something intrinsically wrong with campaigning against Trump in front of Trump Towers?

In both marches she failed to utter a word about inhumane treatment of women in Islamic countries unless for some reason they do not appear in Google.

In other words, you don't actually know if she uttered any words about that subject.

Check out these points.

What points?

Women did gather and march during the Women's strike. Marching or walking or gravitating to one point is unavoidable during strikes.

Incorrect. The only thing that one needs to do to be said to be participating in a strike is to avoid working.

I agree per my earlier points the second Women's events did produce more international protests for women's rights. This is true, but the 'Women's march organisers' such as Sasour and Perez were arrested during an anti-Trump protest on that day.

So? She got in a twofer that day. Protesters often protest multiple issues during a single protest.

There is nothing wrong with campaigning against Trump but once again there was silence on real women's rights. That is to say while the world focused on women's civil issues, Sasour, Perez, Tamika D. Mallory, Bob Bland printed and said nothing about actual women's rights worldwide or really on actual issues in the USA.

Did you watch any of the videos at the link you posted? The very first one is of Sasour, marching in line, arms linked with other protesters, chanting "A day without women is a day without me." This seems to be exactly what the women's march that day was centered around.

You can check Sasour's tweets, and websites and media. There is nothing. Maybe she said this to herself in the bath tub Nothing is public.

Or, you could check the video at the link you provided yourself. That seemed rather public to me.

When I said check out these points, I refer to the sentences preceding that statements.

Oh, well, in that case I did check them out, and responded to them directly. For the most part they were found to be false and misleading.

The intent of the strike was for women’s right. Many did. However Linda Sasour and other members were arrested in front of the Trump Tower (caught in the act).

There was no twofer. There was a oner because their location was at the Trump Towers where they were arrested in the act obstruction not women’s rights. They were not in two places at once

Marching arm in arm to the Trump Towers where they were arrested was a march to Trump Towers against Trump; not a women’s protest for women’s rights
Unless their own websites, reports from left wing and mainstream media were wrong the points provided are correct.

Other groups protested legitimate concerns, while Linda's mob obstructed Trump Towers.

So what? According to this report

about 1,000 people — many who were women dressed in red — congregated on Fifth Avenue outside Donald Trump's Manhattan residence to demonstrate International Women's Day.

(http://perezhilton.com/2017-03-08-womens-day-international-march-protestors-arrested-donald-trump-tower#.WNL8HKK1tPY. From https://www.yahoo.com/movies/womens-march-organizers-arrested-trump-tower-international-womens-195538040.html

"Today, the national leaders of the Women's March gathered with allies and those participating in the day's actions for a show of solidarity and revolutionary love," a rep for the organization told THR. "After a peaceful protest in New York City in honor of A Day Without a Woman, 13 organizers and supporters were arrested by the New York City Police Department in an act of civil disobedience outside of Trump International Hotel & Towers."

Seems like reality rebuts your claims.
Here's a hint - don't believe most of what is reported by Fox news or Breitbart or Infowars.

All media I quoted is referenced in my posts. I suggest you read these first.

In fact all media put Sasour and Tamiki Mallory and Bob Bland et al at Trump Towers on March 08 2017 where they organised a human ring to block entry to the Trump Towers Hotel.

The media also quote Perez Hilton. It too confirms they were in New York.

When they refused to move they were arrested by police and later arrested. What I quoted has not been rebutted since I reported what happened.
You quoted Perez in your post and it states:

At around 1:30 p.m. EST, the official account for the Women's March, the organization behind Wednesday's Day Without A Woman strike, posted that demonstrators were "blocking traffic as a form of civil disobedience."

The protesters had planned on forming a wall around the hotel, but were arrested shortly after gathering in Columbus Circle. Many of the effort's national organizers were among those arrested. END OF QUOTE

The article also puts them at the same scene and also attempting to form a wall around Trump Hotel
So as you quoted it is clear the emphasis was nothing to do with Women’s rights but an action against Trump.

 

[laughing dog]

.... blah blah blah
So as you quoted it is clear the emphasis was nothing to do with Women’s rights but an action against Trump.

You claimed they protests at Trump Tower were not there to protest women's rights. However, they say different

"Today, the national leaders of the Women's March gathered with allies and those participating in the day's actions for a show of solidarity and revolutionary love," a rep for the organization told THR. "After a peaceful protest in New York City in honor of A Day Without a Woman, 13 organizers and supporters were arrested by the New York City Police Department in an act of civil disobedience outside of Trump International Hotel & Towers." (repeated from previous post)

So, the options for the basis your denial of the obvious are
1) you did not read the quote,
2) you did read the quote but do not understand english, or
3) you did read the quote, understood it, but choose to post a factually false reply.

 

[whichphilosophy]

.... blah blah blah
So as you quoted it is clear the emphasis was nothing to do with Women’s rights but an action against Trump.

You claimed they protests at Trump Tower were not there to protest women's rights. However, they say different

"Today, the national leaders of the Women's March gathered with allies and those participating in the day's actions for a show of solidarity and revolutionary love," a rep for the organization told THR. "After a peaceful protest in New York City in honor of A Day Without a Woman, 13 organizers and supporters were arrested by the New York City Police Department in an act of civil disobedience outside of Trump International Hotel & Towers." (repeated from previous post)

So, the options for the basis your denial of the obvious are
1) you did not read the quote,
2) you did read the quote but do not understand english, or
3) you did read the quote, understood it, but choose to post a factually false reply.

If you read all media from Left to Right they said very little to do with Womens rights as a whole. What you quoted does not say anyhing.
They were in Trump Towers at 13. 30 so they were not demonstrating. They were arrested for civil disobedience which was seeking to block the entrance to the Trump hotel and blocking traffic to the annoyance of working Americans.

The Agenda was anti Trump. The participation was that at 13.30 they arrived at Trump Towers and some time later were arrested. Sure the Marxist drivel about solidarity and revolutionary love (and what is that kind of love) was written but the actions only show that they congregated in front of the Trump hotel and got arrested. Later in the evening they were arrested.

Nothing about oppression of Women worldwide. Indeed how would the organisers know what oppression is. They are mainly well to do women who are either business owners, college intellectuals etc so as empowered women they are benefiting from US society which despite its ills offers great opportunities for those to advance.

You won't see anything about execution of gays, Yaziddi enslavement, genetic condemning violence against women in some countries etc.
The agenda gravitated around Trump saying grab pussy.

The board working behind the scene contains one convicted terrorist and one who was involved with terrorists. So some were hardly upstanding pillars of society.

 

[laughing dog]

If you read all media from Left to Right they said very little to do with Womens rights as a whole. What you quoted does not say anyhing.

Wrong. I will repeat some of it
- "After a peaceful protest in New York City in honor of A Day Without a Woman, ". It clearly indicates that they were there for Women's rights. Or are you laughably claiming that "A Day without A Woman" is some secret "Marxist" code for "anti-Trump"?

They were in Trump Towers at 13. 30 so they were not demonstrating.

That is simply stupid. Protests can occur anywhere. Oh, I do apologize, since you believe you get to determine the appropriate place, time and issue that women get to protest.

They were arrested for civil disobedience which was seeking to block the entrance to the Trump hotel and blocking traffic to the annoyance of working Americans.

Not to the annoyance of any working Americans I know who live in New York.

The Agenda was anti Trump. The participation was that at 13.30 they arrived at Trump Towers and some time later were arrested. Sure the Marxist drivel about solidarity and revolutionary love (and what is that kind of love) was written but the actions only show that they congregated in front of the Trump hotel and got arrested. Later in the evening they were arrested.

Nothing about oppression of Women worldwide. Indeed how would the organisers know what oppression is. They are mainly well to do women who are either business owners, college intellectuals etc so as empowered women they are benefiting from US society which despite its ills offers great opportunities for those to advance.

You won't see anything about execution of gays, Yaziddi enslavement, genetic condemning violence against women in some countries etc.

Besides having to approve where, when, what, and who women protest, now you also believe you have to approve how and what they say.

The board working behind the scene contains one convicted terrorist and one who was involved with terrorists. So some were hardly upstanding pillars of society.

So what?

 

[PyramidHead]

Okay, at this point I really have to ask: should we be investigating potential connections between Trump and the Church of Scientology?