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https://www.theguardian.com/lifeand...ire-millennials-avocado-toast-house?CMP=fb_us

An Australian millionaire and real estate mogul has advice for millennials struggling to purchase a home: stop buying avocado toast.

Tim Gurner, a luxury property developer in Melbourne responsible for over $3.8bn in projects, is facing heat for comments he made on 60 Minutes in Australia, implying that young people can’t afford to buy property because they’re wasting money on fancy toast and overpriced coffee.

Here's a better idea. Millennials, if you want a house, vote in a legislature that will institute living wage and worker protection laws, a tax code that restricts the hording of wealth while providing for the common good, and will not be afraid of nationalizing industries that, for whatever reason, become "too big to fail."
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Millenial buys Sydney apartment by giving up $4 coffees for just 547 years

Millenials countrywide have flooded into the property market today, following advice from property tycoon Tim Gurner to stop buying coffees in order to get your foot on the property ladder. “I feel like such an idiot” said one millenial standing outside an auction this afternoon. “Here I was thinking it was stagnating wages coupled with rapidly inflating house prices were the cause of my housing problems, when all this time it was the coffee. Boy, I can’t believe I never thought of that.”

When looking at property market, which saw average prices increasing by about $5000 a week in February, tycoon Tim says it’s not hard to see where the problem lies. “It’s just simple math,” he says, “At $4 a day, millenials are spending over $1000 a year on coffee. Take a second to digest that figure. That kind of money could have been going towards covering the amount house prices rose in Sydney in the last two days. Or better yet, it could be put towards covering 0.5% of that $200,000 deposit for their first house. Only another 200 years of no coffee and they’ll be right up on that ladder.”


Tim also says that laziness and taking too many holidays is at the core of the problem with young people today, a trait he said he never suffered from. “When I was 19, I didn’t spend all my time lounging around buying coffee, going on holidays and eating avocado for breakfast,” says Tim from his luxury penthouse apartment. “No, I got out there and did things the good old fashioned hard way, by knuckling down asking my grandfather for a $50,000 loan.”


“Honestly, I don’t know why more young people don’t go that route. It’s so easy even an idiot could do it.”
 
I agree, wasting money on fancy food isn't a good management of money. I don't spend money on wasteful food, and I'm still not a millionaire though. And I can't afford a BMW or even a knock off BWM. Did that millionaire have any other advice? Should my family stop eating? That'd save enough to get the BMW.
 
I agree, wasting money on fancy food isn't a good management of money. I don't spend money on wasteful food, and I'm still not a millionaire though. And I can't afford a BMW or even a knock off BWM. Did that millionaire have any other advice? Should my family stop eating? That'd save enough to get the BMW.

He's not giving advice on how to become a millionaire, he's giving advice on how to buy a house.

Becoming a millionaire generally is going to require making a crapton of money at some point, but buying a house on a modest income is in some part a matter of having the discipline to save up a down payment.
 
Self discipline is the key. Instead of complaining the world isn't dedicating itself to making you happy (not that there isn't validity to having a level playing field) you've got to make your way the best you can while fighting the good fight.

People who look like they are wealthy usually aren't because they spent all their money trying to look like they're wealthy.
 
My kid is a millennial so I have had the opportunity to meet a lot 20 somethings. None of them, to my knowledge, are not spending $22 on toast and all of them are working 30+ hours a week, many are trying to get through school, even if it means 1 or 2 course a semester, and they are still having to have help from family. And yes, my kid goes to a local coffee where he usually buys a small house brew ($1.89) and I don't fault him for it. This is his big splurge of the week. woo hoo. And still he has to have three roommates to make rent on that little house they all live in and he works 2 jobs.

Some people need to shut the fuck up.
 
Self discipline is the key. Instead of complaining the world isn't dedicating itself to making you happy (not that there isn't validity to having a level playing field) you've got to make your way the best you can while fighting the good fight.

People who look like they are wealthy usually aren't because they spent all their money trying to look like they're wealthy.
I'm very late Gen X'er. My sister-in-law is a millenial and based on our experiences, the world went tits up between when I got a job and when she got a job. She had to have something like 4 interviews and had to take a standardized test and finally got the job.

I had an interview. And got a job.
 
Today (May 17, 2017), the Australian Bureau of Statistics released its latest – Wage Price Index, Australia – for the March-quarter 2017. For the fifth consecutive quarter, annual growth in wages has recorded its lowest level since the data series began in the December-quarter 1997. Nominal wages growth in Australia was just 1.9 per cent in annual terms below the annual inflation rate for March of 2.1 per cent. So real wages declined even though productivity growth remains positive – which means that the profit share in national income rose again as real unit labour costs plunged. But employment growth also remains flat. This represents a major rip-off for workers.

http://bilbo.economicoutlook.net/blog/?p=36025
 
I agree, wasting money on fancy food isn't a good management of money. I don't spend money on wasteful food, and I'm still not a millionaire though. And I can't afford a BMW or even a knock off BWM. Did that millionaire have any other advice? Should my family stop eating? That'd save enough to get the BMW.

He's not giving advice on how to become a millionaire, he's giving advice on how to buy a house.
In a highly inflated speculative market. $4 AUD coffee will get somebody a downpayment in about 30-50 years. Provided coffee and downpayment prices are stable.

Becoming a millionaire generally is going to require making a crapton of money at some point, but buying a house on a modest income is in some part a matter of having the discipline to save up a down payment.
that's if the down payment and mortgage payments aren't crazy expensive.
 
That lady's ponytail is pulled too tight.

In 2002, I managed to do exactly what she said can't be done, in San Diego, on enlisted E6 pay + BAH. I had to buy in near the cheapest end of the condo market in 92126,
What has changed? Stricter lending requirements perhaps but I'll venture to guess they even backed off that some since the crash.
What the dude she's bashing is likely talking about is what any budget counselor will tell you: Add up every dime you spend for a month and at the end, take a look at how much is unnecessary. This has to be done first.
 
In a highly inflated speculative market. $4 AUD coffee will get somebody a downpayment in about 30-50 years. Provided coffee and downpayment prices are stable.

I have found that while speaking English people often color their speech with "Examples":

ex·am·ple
iɡˈzampəl/Submit
noun
1.
a thing characteristic of its kind or illustrating a general rule.
"it's a good example of how European action can produce results"
synonyms: specimen, sample, exemplar, exemplification, instance, case, illustration, case in point
"a fine example of Chinese porcelain"

In context, it seems this guy was talking increasing one's savings by not spending on frivolous things and tossed out a few Examples of frivolous things someone might buy.

To ignore this context and begin railing about one Example in isolation is the sort of thing makes the railer look like a total asshat.
 
He's not giving advice on how to become a millionaire, he's giving advice on how to buy a house.
In a highly inflated speculative market. $4 AUD coffee will get somebody a downpayment in about 30-50 years. Provided coffee and downpayment prices are stable.

Becoming a millionaire generally is going to require making a crapton of money at some point, but buying a house on a modest income is in some part a matter of having the discipline to save up a down payment.
that's if the down payment and mortgage payments aren't crazy expensive.
Man, did I ever get lucky. Got in a house in '03, and didn't even need a down payment! I think those days are gone now. Yeah, PMI and stuff, but I'm well into getting this thing paid off in 20 years. Helped to buy a house that I could afford and not what the bank wanted to give me (egad!).

And I don't drive $4 coffees, both because it is a waste of money and for fuck sakes, $4 for a fucking coffee!? Of course, if I did buy $4 coffees... it wouldn't prevent me from paying the mortgage.
 
If you subsist on a diet of water and low-protein gruel you might even be able to afford a house and kids
 
Man, did I ever get lucky. Got in a house in '03, and didn't even need a down payment! I think those days are gone now. Yeah, PMI and stuff, but I'm well into getting this thing paid off in 20 years. Helped to buy a house that I could afford and not what the bank wanted to give me (egad!).

I bought my house in '99. FHA loan with minimal down payment. Refinanced twice (one to get the ex off the note, one to take advantage of rock-bottom rates) and now have as much equity in it as I bought it for.

I got lucky. At one point during the housing boom, I checked out some houses for sale around me and realized that I couldn't afford to buy a house in my own neighborhood. Now that prices have crept back up I'm glad I stayed.
 
If you subsist on a diet of water and low-protein gruel you might even be able to afford a house and kids
My biggest pet peeve is this claim that we are mooching the system. I work, I save, I save a good deal, and with what's left I do the most of which I can, which isn't exactly a lot. And all I have is a wife and one kid. I find it hard to believe what people have to do that make $30k less than me in the same situation. Stuff (utilities, food, housing) costs money. A good deal of it. And I'm sick of right-wingers who want to pretend shit is actually quite easy if you just work.
 


https://www.theguardian.com/lifeand...ire-millennials-avocado-toast-house?CMP=fb_us

An Australian millionaire and real estate mogul has advice for millennials struggling to purchase a home: stop buying avocado toast.

Tim Gurner, a luxury property developer in Melbourne responsible for over $3.8bn in projects, is facing heat for comments he made on 60 Minutes in Australia, implying that young people can’t afford to buy property because they’re wasting money on fancy toast and overpriced coffee.

Here's a better idea. Millennials, if you want a house, vote in a legislature that will institute living wage and worker protection laws, a tax code that restricts the hording of wealth while providing for the common good, and will not be afraid of nationalizing industries that, for whatever reason, become "too big to fail."
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Young people can't buy property because they cost too much. Cutting out on Coffee and other foods is peanuts compared to the price of houses.
Governments should be building affordable houses for poorer people to rent at low prices from the local authorities. A mixed economy works better than a capitalist or totally socialist society. Increased wages increases spending within the economy, thus creating more jobs.

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If you subsist on a diet of water and low-protein gruel you might even be able to afford a house and kids
My biggest pet peeve is this claim that we are mooching the system. I work, I save, I save a good deal, and with what's left I do the most of which I can, which isn't exactly a lot. And all I have is a wife and one kid. I find it hard to believe what people have to do that make $30k less than me in the same situation. Stuff (utilities, food, housing) costs money. A good deal of it. And I'm sick of right-wingers who want to pretend shit is actually quite easy if you just work.

If someone works for almost nothing, things can't be that easy. :)
 
The guy from the OP is a dick. There may be some decent advice buried in what he is saying, but how he is saying it, and the position from which he is saying it make him an asshole. My wife and I bought our first house in 1994, I was making $24k/yr, and my wife was raising the kids at home. Having been in the Air Force, I was able to get a VA loan, and buy the house with no down payment. Even twenty years ago, a salary like that would not have been much, but was a living wage. We certainly weren't living an extravagant lifestyle, but we also didn't have to scrimp and save, or give up much of anything. Had I not been in the military, though, things might have been different.

Fast forward to 2002, we moved from Florida to St. Louis, sold the old house in a good market, and used the money we got from the sale for the down payment on the new house. I was making about $30k/yr then, once again a modest income, and without the money from the sale of the old house, we would have had trouble buying the new house. As it was, finances became very tight over the next year, and my wife had to take a job to make ends meet. Now I make more money than I could have imagined 15 years ago, but we are in the same house, having refinanced twice, and we have the principal down to about 2/3 of the original value of the house, which is likely worth more now. We are considering moving again in the next few years, to what will hopefully be our last home purchase.

Looking at my millenial kids, and what they are facing, however, tells me more about the current situation than my own home ownership history. My kids are both older than I was when we purchased our first home, and they are in no position to buy a house. It isn't because they splurge, but because they get paid shit wages. My son was in the Navy, but has had a hard time keeping a job since he has gotten out. He was denied for a VA loan when he had a decent job, but that was probably a good thing, as he lost that job not long afterwards. He and his wife both work now, and make shit wages. Between the two of them, they probably make a living wage, but because they both have to work, they also have to pay for day care, which aint cheap. They have had trouble getting an keeping reliable transportation, and got ripped off to the tune of $1000 on car that turned out to be junk earlier this year. I gave them my old (2011) Jeep to use until they can afford something decent on their own, and I don't really anticipate getting it back. Without going into detail, my daughter is in a similar situation, but unmarried. Luckily, she and her daughter have a good roommate that keeps up with her side of the bills.

Neither one will be able to afford a home any time soon, and it aint because of Starbucks, and fucking avocado toast. It's because they get paid shit wages, and have little hope of that improving any time soon. So, fuck that millionaire real estate developer guy. Shit aint easy for millenials because of assholes like him who don't see a problem with paying people shit, and then blaming them for not having the money to buy a home. I am willing to bet that any millenial he might be employing are making the lowest wages he can legally get away with paying them, and he would gladly pay them less if he could.
 
He's not giving advice on how to become a millionaire, he's giving advice on how to buy a house.
In a highly inflated speculative market. $4 AUD coffee will get somebody a downpayment in about 30-50 years. Provided coffee and downpayment prices are stable.

He's an ass. But I'm pretty sure he's just using that as an example, and is just generally accusing millennials of being spoiled and expecting an easy ride in life. I've seen the same argument when it comes to coddling of them regarding "safe spaces" etc and not having their ideas challenged. This seems to be an outgrowth of the backlash against the regressive left and coddled youth. This is a generation that grew up in a time of comparative plenty, didn't experience a war, etc etc. I've heard many of my colleagues complain about hiring millennials in that they feel they have to handle them like delicate children who will quit or cry at the slightest hardship. This is an over reaction and definitely an unfair broad brushing generalization, but I think that is where it is coming from.
 
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