Evergreen University Students have hissy fit when professor refuse to play along

[whichphilosophy]

Who knows?

That video looked like an argument between about 4 people. With about 15 other people standing and watching.

But suppose this alleged story is true, some 200 people in this nation do not speak for anyone but themselves. They do not represent a movement or a threat to anyone anywhere else.

If they threatened or assaulted some professor they should be charged with a crime.

What actual crimes have been committed here?

And by whom exactly? Who has been charged? These people are not somehow magically above any laws.

But we are not a nation of vague innuendo. We are a nation of laws where people are innocent until proven guilty and only people who commit crimes are charged with crimes.

And all this is is vague innuendo.

It is worthless.

People are guilty as written about. Laws mean nothing to the bottom feeders of the media of all ilks.

 

[laughing dog]

There is no anti-Muslim climate in the US.

There is an anti-Muslim miasma in the US. And it is growing (http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-anti-muslim-incidents-05092017-story.html). Trump capitalized on it during his campaign.

 

[J842P]

There is no anti-Muslim climate in the US. Muslims, notably women are more empowered in the US than they are in countries they have fled from. There is bias also but the advantages outweigh such bigotry.

While it may be true that the benefits to emigrating to the US outweigh the anti-Muslim climate, it is ridiculous to claim that such a climate doesn't exist, and trying to make excuses like this is ridiculous.

 

[RavenSky]

1) From what I understand, in the past, Day of Absence has comprised of "students and faculty of color leav[ing] campus to show how much they contribute to the college." This year, however, in what was probably the feeling that there should be a reciprocity as there hadn't been in years past, the school administration thought that this year they'd ask instead the white faculty and students to leave. The goal was still reflection on issues of racism, bigotry, and prejudice.

2) However, the administration didn't anticipate a professor balking at what was he perceived as a "good faith" yet myopic and misguided attempt at reciprocity because of his reading of the entire event as smacking of non-white groups wanting white people to fade entirely into the void. This led the good professor to protest what he understood as a witless decision to pay back the sacrifices of non-white groups doing so voluntarily in the past to underscore minorities' importance to/in our country. However, the students perceived the professor's decision as both racist and intolerant because he didn't express the same type of concerns when non-whites had absented themselves on the same day in years past, making students question what they perceived as his hypocrisy and lack of commitment to racial tolerance.

If these scenes were written as part of a fictional play or film, I'd be tempted to read the events unfolding as a farce or comedy of errors because basically all parties seem to have "bigly" misunderstood one another: The administration and professor misunderstood each others' platforms on why doing the Day of Absence differently was a curse/boon. The professor and students misunderstood each others' positions on motivations to participate/not participate in this year's Day of Absence. The right-wing consumers of news are now misunderstanding the situation and characterizing this situation as part of the disease of liberalism getting worse on campuses. The progressive liberals have bought into the right-wingers' characterization of this situation and are concerned with this news highlighting a problem within liberalism and the left in general. However, as I now read the situation, I am thinking, "The path to hell [on earth] is paved with good intentions." Occam's Razor, anyone?

On a side note, in case anyone should wonder, I stand on this issue with the professor not because I think he's specifically right about what the event meant but because I think he's right to object to the administration's shortsightedness on this issue for a different reason: Who exactly are the "white people" on our college campuses? Under current definitions of "white," they include Arab Americans, yet it would be a gross misjudgment to consider them as part of the "privileged white" because of the current anti-immigrant climate, not to mention anti-Muslim climate if they just happen to be Muslim also. And what about Jewish people generally? While most Jewish peoples would also qualify currently as "white," antisemitism has been on the rise since the Trump administration took power in January. And what about intellectually or physically disabled "white" peoples? To the extent that able-bodied and able-minded individuals have privileges that intellectually or physically disabled whites do not enjoy, these whites cannot be considered privileged either. And what about people who have a mixed heritage or biracial background - is their self-identification as "white" the key to privilege and access denied others - or will that not depend on how much they look "white"?

Peace.

^^^ very well written, and quite reflective of my thoughts on this incident as well.

I also agree with what the professor wrote in his initial email:

There is a huge difference between a group or coalition deciding to voluntarily absent themselves from a shared space in order to highlight their vital and under-appreciated roles (the theme of the Douglas Turner Ward play Day of Absence, as well as the recent Women’s Day walkout), and a group or coalition encouraging another group to go away. The first is a forceful call to consciousness which is, of course, crippling to the logic of oppression. The second is a show of force, and an act of oppression in and of itself.

I don't think either "side" intended to be oppressive or "racist", I do think they were largely talking past each other in an unproductive manner.

 

[whichphilosophy]

There is no anti-Muslim climate in the US.

There is an anti-Muslim miasma in the US. And it is growing (http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-anti-muslim-incidents-05092017-story.html). Trump capitalized on it during his campaign.

Most Muslims and non-Muslims get on with each other. In the UK we are experiencing terrorist attacks which increased sharply , but that does not change the fact that 99. something Muslims are okay. Likewise, while hatred of Muslims exist, Muslims are better off in Europe and the US than in many Islamic countries.

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^^^ very well written, and quite reflective of my thoughts on this incident as well.

I also agree with what the professor wrote in his initial email:

There is a huge difference between a group or coalition deciding to voluntarily absent themselves from a shared space in order to highlight their vital and under-appreciated roles (the theme of the Douglas Turner Ward play Day of Absence, as well as the recent Women’s Day walkout), and a group or coalition encouraging another group to go away. The first is a forceful call to consciousness which is, of course, crippling to the logic of oppression. The second is a show of force, and an act of oppression in and of itself.

I don't think either "side" intended to be oppressive or "racist", I do think they were largely talking past each other in an unproductive manner.

Student activities should be voluntary.

 

[laughing dog]

There is an anti-Muslim miasma in the US. And it is growing (http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-anti-muslim-incidents-05092017-story.html). Trump capitalized on it during his campaign.

Most Muslims and non-Muslims get on with each other. In the UK we are experiencing terrorist attacks which increased sharply , but that does not change the fact that 99. something Muslims are okay. Likewise, while hatred of Muslims exist, Muslims are better off in Europe and the US than in many Islamic countries.

For some reason, you feel that is a relevant response to what I wrote. It is not.

 

[whichphilosophy]

Most Muslims and non-Muslims get on with each other. In the UK we are experiencing terrorist attacks which increased sharply , but that does not change the fact that 99. something Muslims are okay. Likewise, while hatred of Muslims exist, Muslims are better off in Europe and the US than in many Islamic countries.

For some reason, you feel that is a relevant response to what I wrote. It is not.

It is as I have stated.

 

[RavenSky]

^^^ very well written, and quite reflective of my thoughts on this incident as well.

I also agree with what the professor wrote in his initial email:

There is a huge difference between a group or coalition deciding to voluntarily absent themselves from a shared space in order to highlight their vital and under-appreciated roles (the theme of the Douglas Turner Ward play Day of Absence, as well as the recent Women’s Day walkout), and a group or coalition encouraging another group to go away. The first is a forceful call to consciousness which is, of course, crippling to the logic of oppression. The second is a show of force, and an act of oppression in and of itself.

I don't think either "side" intended to be oppressive or "racist", I do think they were largely talking past each other in an unproductive manner.

Student activities should be voluntary.

"For some reason, you feel that is a relevant response to what I wrote. It is not."

 

[whichphilosophy]

^^^ very well written, and quite reflective of my thoughts on this incident as well.

I also agree with what the professor wrote in his initial email:

There is a huge difference between a group or coalition deciding to voluntarily absent themselves from a shared space in order to highlight their vital and under-appreciated roles (the theme of the Douglas Turner Ward play Day of Absence, as well as the recent Women’s Day walkout), and a group or coalition encouraging another group to go away. The first is a forceful call to consciousness which is, of course, crippling to the logic of oppression. The second is a show of force, and an act of oppression in and of itself.

I don't think either "side" intended to be oppressive or "racist", I do think they were largely talking past each other in an unproductive manner.

Student activities should be voluntary.

"For some reason, you feel that is a relevant response to what I wrote. It is not."

It is. The out of Africa Theory prescribes there is no such thing as race yet there seems to have been a conflict in which one professor refused to stop teaching class for a day. Of course it was his right to refuse since such an activity should be voluntary.

There are a lot of successful contributing people of all ethnic backgrounds so is there a need to have to prove this by those who are classified as white staying off campus.

Actually it is difficult to distinguish between white and non white since there are also also a lot of mixed groups. How do we classify them? Should we even bother?

 

[laughing dog]

For some reason, you feel that is a relevant response to what I wrote. It is not.

It is as I have stated.

Saying Muslims have it better in the US than _____ is not relevant to the issue of how Muslims are treated in the US nor any change in the how they are treated in the US. Saying most people get along is not relevant to the issue of whether there is a change in how Muslims are treated in the US. Hence, your entire response was literally pointless.

 

[thebeave]

Anyone care to make a bet that enrollment at this college is going to plummet in the coming years, just like Mizzou when they pulled this same stupid shit?:

http://dailycaller.com/2016/04/12/mizzou-closing-four-whole-dorms-because-of-collapsing-enrollment/

The University of Missouri (MU) is closing two additional dormitories following a massive enrollment decline that follows a wave of race-related protests at the school. The school has now shut down four entire residence halls in response to a sharp decline in the number of students who want to attend the school.

Here's a video of the "urgent meeting" at Evergreen shortly after professor Weinstein's confrontation. Hard to believe, but the looniness got even worse:

[YOUTUBE]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f3CRVLVGa5E[/YOUTUBE]

So, are there actual, documented incidents of racism on this campus (I mean, other than telling white people they're not welcome on campus for a day)? I have yet to see any evidence of it, but the students are going bonkers, and acting like the KKK is burning crosses on the school lawns. Or is it all just theoretical, general purpose racism the students are protesting against?

 

[Tom Sawyer]

I heard that a black student once got his backpack caught in a doorway because the white patriarchy weren't comfortable with open concept entrances to its buildings.

So, the place is basically Auschwitz.

 

[thebeave]

I forgot about that one. Also, one time a white server at the dorm cafeteria asked a black student if he wanted some chicken*... and well, let's just say that server is now serving Big Macs at McDonald's.

*chicken was the only entree served that night, but still.....

 

[Tom Sawyer]

Oh, so now black people don't know how cafeterias work and they need a white man to walk them through the process of ordering because their sub-human minds can't figure it out themselves?

Sounds like we need to boycott McDonalds for hiring that racist. And also because their food sucks.

 

[Arctish]

The trouble at Evergreen State College pre-dates the incident reported in the OP.

Apparently, two black students wanted to pack a classroom with non-white students although they made it clear they were not trying to keep white students out. A fellow student took umbrage, which led to public arguments and allegations of racism. The offended party called the cops after an argument with one of the students, saying he felt threatened. The cops took the two black students into custody and held them for hours in the middle of the night, which caused even more anger on campus.

So, as I'm sure most people suspected, there's a backstory to the incident with the Biology professor. I wonder what else has been happening on that campus. I'm especially curious about the reasons those two black students wanted a non-white majority of students enrolled in one particular class (Mediaworks: Re/Presenting Power and Difference).

ETA: Maybe this had something to do with it.

 

[untermensche]

Racists think we don't know they are racists.

The things they fixate on gives them away.

 

[RavenSky]

Kai-Avé Douvia sounds like a major instigator

 

[repoman]

Kai-Avé Douvia sounds like a major instigator

his (I think) Facebook page has some anti BLM stuff from Milo Yiannopolous.

This the video that Allsup made

 

[Derec]

Racists think we don't know they are racists.

The things they fixate on gives them away.

No, you and people who think like you have not the first idea of what racism is and who racists are.
Hint: In the case of "Evergreen State University" it is the "black power"-type students, and not those who take an issue with them.
Another article:
NEW VIDEO: Madness reigns at Evergreen State College as students ‘take over’

We been here before you. We built these cities, we had civilization way before you ever had … comin’ out your caves.”

You and other left-wing radicals do not think statements like this are racist simply because they are made by blacks against whites.

 

[whichphilosophy]

Kai-Avé Douvia sounds like a major instigator

It's difficult to know the full details as the reports contain mainly hearsay. However students should not exclude anyone for whatever reason on the basis of colour.

The college professor claimed he was confronted because he wanted to teach class. Students are there to learn sciences maths, arts and so forth. They have lots of time after class for self expression.