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SimpleDon

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One of the talking points of conservatives is that we should run the government like a business. That a businessman could run the government more efficiently than a politician. It is the main point of qualification for Donald Trump for the presidency, arguably his only qualification for the presidency. And yet it is a specious point, casually approachable, but so wrong in practice.

I find little substance in the conspiracy theories of either the left or the right about RussiaGate. As a result, I don't spend time watching MSNBC or Fox News to sort out their competing conspiracy theories about today's latest outrage. But I did come across an interesting and valid point about Trump and his governance, probably in my reading. Unfortunately, it was such a fleeting point of sanity in the middle of so much b.s. that it took too long to register in my mind that I am unable to provide a link or to properly attribute it. But the point is simple.

It is that Trump views our European allies primarily as competitors in trade, not as allies in a shared cause of liberal democracies against authoritarianism or as allies in international power politics. That as a businessman, he has a very narrow view of other countries as competitors to be played off against each other, with few if any lasting partnerships because we are in competition with them and share no common interests with them.

Thus he threatens to not fulfill the US's treaty obligation to defend any member who is attacked because they didn't contribute enough to their own defense. The most charitable interpretation is that Trump is establishing an extreme negotiating position that he will back away from to gain a more favorable final outcome for the US. This is very dangerous because it erodes the very basis of the alliance for a minor gain to the US. One that he has no intention of exploiting, he won't lower US defense spending because Germany finances an additional tank battalion or builds an additional patrol boat.

This negotiating tactic even has a limited utility in business, because the people who use it quickly earn the reputation of constantly bluffing. It is even less useful in diplomacy, where you are negotiating with the same people more often. It is even less useful for someone who already has the reputation of lying constantly, which Trump has.

In the best of circumstances a successful businessman is not prepared to be president, experience in business doesn't translate into what is required of a president. Trump drove casinos into repeated bankruptcies. He is an unsuccessful businessman who was redeemed by show business, a circumstance that prepared him to run an election campaign but not to be president.
 
One of the talking points of conservatives is that we should run the government like a business. That a businessman could run the government more efficiently than a politician. It is the main point of qualification for Donald Trump for the presidency, arguably his only qualification for the presidency. And yet it is a specious point, casually approachable, but so wrong in practice.
Yeah, that was one of the narratives. However, the guy running a taco truck on the empty lot is also a business man, but also very probably not very qualified for the job.

Opinion: Donald Trump, as CEO of the U.S., gets an ‘F’ from management experts

A good opinion piece from Feb 21st considering a family business LLC verses a corporate CEO:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/post...house-is-disorganized/?utm_term=.79e92eb694e5
Likewise, we can think of many traits of an effective corporate CEO that could serve a president well: transparency and accountability, responsiveness to internal governance, and commitment to the interest of the overall corporation over and above self-enrichment.

Sadly, that is not Trump’s background. His experience overseeing an interconnected tangle of LLCs and his one disastrous term as CEO of a public corporation suggest a poor background to be chief executive of the United States. As such, “nobody knows who’s in charge” may be the mantra for years to come.

Don the Con is primarily qualified to be an entertainer...
 
I agree, except I don't think Trump is a businessman, he is scammer, not a rare thing among people who call themselves "businessmen"
 
I think there are certain aspects of government that would do better if run from a business perspective, where a good businessman could negotiate "win/win" deals. But alas, President Trump is an incompetent buffoon and a bit of a bully.
 
I think you're right in that Trump has a very simple, black & white type of mind typical of someone with a below average IQ. Everything to Trump is a zero sum game, and his mind cannot envision what a non-zero sum game would look like.
 
I think there are certain aspects of government that would do better if run from a business perspective, where a good businessman could negotiate "win/win" deals. But alas, President Trump is an incompetent buffoon and a bit of a bully.

The goal of business is simple and straightforward, to make a profit. This is the genius of capitalism. It is a goal that anyone can understand. But not every problem that comes up in society can be solved by resorting to solutions based on the simple goal of making money. These problems have to be solved by government. To say that a businessman is more capable of solving the problems that can't be solved by the mechanism of business even strains credulity.

Take for example the case in the news constantly these days, health care. There is no basis to believe that businesses making profits improves health care. What we need is the best care that we can get for the most number of people and at the lowest cost to the nation as a whole. Profits increase costs limiting the number of people who can afford it while lowering the level of care. It is more profitable to let the the elderly and permanently disabled die than to continue to provide their care. This why Medicare and Medicaid exist today because of the profit making businesses inability to translate care for the elderly and the disabled into profits.

Many more examples exist, education, jurisprudence, the nation's defense, and the simple fact that it is the government that defines the ground rules that businesses need to operate and it is government that has to police businesses to make sure that they operate within the bounds set by the rules. There is nothing in these that profit seeking improves, in fact it harms them.

Even saying that the organization of the government could be improved by adhering to business principles is highly questionable. It is true that most people see two entities as being highly disorganized, the government and the company that they work for.
 
I think you're right in that Trump has a very simple, black & white type of mind typical of someone with a below average IQ. Everything to Trump is a zero sum game, and his mind cannot envision what a non-zero sum game would look like.

I think that Trump's IQ isn't his problem. It is that like everyone he is limited by two things, his experience and his ability to adapt to things outside of his experience. He is severely lacking in both, the results, in no small part, because he is the ultimate example of "born halfway down the third baseline and believing that he hit a homerun." Combine this with his ego and arrogance and you have a dangerous mix.

He is an example of the need for a confiscatory inheritance tax.
 
I think you're right in that Trump has a very simple, black & white type of mind typical of someone with a below average IQ. Everything to Trump is a zero sum game, and his mind cannot envision what a non-zero sum game would look like.

I think that Trump's IQ isn't his problem. It is that like everyone he is limited by two things, his experience and his ability to adapt to things outside of his experience. He is severely lacking in both, the results, in no small part, because he is the ultimate example of "born halfway down the third baseline and believing that he hit a homerun." Combine this with his ego and arrogance and you have a dangerous mix.

He is an example of the need for a confiscatory inheritance tax.
Agreed, but with Trump I think the most dangerous attribute is his stunning lack of any kind of intellectual curiosity.
 
I think that Trump's IQ isn't his problem. It is that like everyone he is limited by two things, his experience and his ability to adapt to things outside of his experience. He is severely lacking in both, the results, in no small part, because he is the ultimate example of "born halfway down the third baseline and believing that he hit a homerun." Combine this with his ego and arrogance and you have a dangerous mix.

He is an example of the need for a confiscatory inheritance tax.
Agreed, but with Trump I think the most dangerous attribute is his stunning lack of any kind of intellectual curiosity.

Point well taken. He is the victim of "fake news," news that he accepts without any question, relying totally on the source of it, which largely seems to be Alex Jones, Sean Hannity and Fox and Friends.
 
Case in point...

One of our worst performing states is the very Republican (in 2016, Trump got 62.5% of its votes) state of Kentucky. It’s an embarrassing drag on our nation’s budget and economy. WalletHub identified Kentucky in 2017 as the state most dependent on the federal government, and a 2007 Tax Foundation Study (examining the period 1981-2005) found that Kentucky consistently received more from the federal government than it paid in. The numbers in Kentucky are dire.
In fiscal 2016, which ended Sept. 30, the federal government collected $33 billion in taxes from Kentucky but spent $89 billion there — resulting in a net benefit to Kentucky of $56 billion (more than $12,500 for each person in that state).

https://www.usatoday.com/story/opin...e-sell-states-like-kentucky-column/101989780/



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"The government" is about 99.9766% the same as it was 6 months ago.

A new Supreme Court Justice?

An insane president?

What a joke.

Those things have changed the government how exactly? Changed your life how exactly?

In your case, I'm not even sure you can claim the self-imposed need to maintain a constant state of freakout didn't exist 6 months ago.
 
A new Supreme Court Justice?

An insane president?

What a joke.

Those things have changed the government how exactly? Changed your life how exactly?

In your case, I'm not even sure you can claim the self-imposed need to maintain a constant state of freakout didn't exist 6 months ago.

A New Supreme Court can now more easily enact the agenda several were put there for.

To place corporate interests over the interests of humans.

To allow greater and greater destruction of the environment.

You try not to freak out as complete assholes have the power to drive the planet to environmental catastrophe, as they are now doing.

But not freaking out as the planet is being destroyed is not rational.
 
In the best of circumstances a successful businessman is not prepared to be president, experience in business doesn't translate into what is required of a president. Trump drove casinos into repeated bankruptcies. He is an unsuccessful businessman who was redeemed by show business, a circumstance that prepared him to run an election campaign but not to be president.

Emphasis added, and a mean trick at that. How do you fail in a business where the house always wins?

The other thing about this that sticks out is that in addition to taking advantage of bankruptcy laws, Trump operates under the premise that repeated failure is okay so long as you come out on top somehow.


And that's just business, you might say, and you'd be right! I can go out tomorrow and open my shop selling recycled sausage casings, and fail repeatedly. The shop goes bankrupt and I can start again as many times as I like, or just walk away entirely. That's business.

Government? Not so much. You can't just build half a bridge, fail repeatedly to finish the project, and then walk away. Trump has learned that some things in government are hard. Health care...who knew it was so complicated? The great big beautiful wall...who knew it was going to be so tough to get Mexico to pay for it? The budget...holy crap the federal budget is yugely complicated...who knew?

What Trump hasn't learned (and may never) is that all these complicated problems are not going away. A failing casino? Declare bankruptcy and walk away. A failing hotel? Walk away. That's business. Trump is in a position now where he can't walk away. He can't declare the federal government bankrupt and have all the problems swept under the rug so he can start a new and exciting venture. He's flailing and failing so spectacularly because he can't wrap his mind around the fact that he can't just command someone to fix a problem at Trump Federal Government Casinos & Resorts and just throw his arms up and walk away when the problem is too big. He fundamentally misunderstands government. You can't run the federal government like a business because unlike business there's no walking away.
 
Those things have changed the government how exactly? Changed your life how exactly?

In your case, I'm not even sure you can claim the self-imposed need to maintain a constant state of freakout didn't exist 6 months ago.

A New Supreme Court can now more easily enact the agenda several were put there for.

To place corporate interests over the interests of humans.

To allow greater and greater destruction of the environment.

You try not to freak out as complete assholes have the power to drive the planet to environmental catastrophe, as they are now doing.

But not freaking out as the planet is being destroyed is not rational.

So, you don't understand the meaning of the word "exactly".
 
A New Supreme Court can now more easily enact the agenda several were put there for.

To place corporate interests over the interests of humans.

To allow greater and greater destruction of the environment.

You try not to freak out as complete assholes have the power to drive the planet to environmental catastrophe, as they are now doing.

But not freaking out as the planet is being destroyed is not rational.

So, you don't understand the meaning of the word "exactly".

Are you three years old?

A new Supreme Court Justice with this bent towards wealth and privilege represents significant change.

It is now easier for Republican cretins to do their harm.
 
So, you don't understand the meaning of the word "exactly".

Are you three years old?

A new Supreme Court Justice with this bent towards wealth and privilege represents significant change.

It is now easier for Republican cretins to do their harm.

I am unable to find a single case on which Gorsuch has even ruled as Supreme Court justice.

It's weird how much you feel his appointment has affected your life.
 
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