Las Vegas Attack - Guard Shooting Timeline

[DBT]

It sounds absurd. But it may be true. Plus high velocity rounds don't just stop at the door. Unless the walls are cement blocks, it's likely that projectiles would penetrate into the rooms in the line of fire... 200 hundred rounds can do a lot of damage inside the hotel.

I doubt that the shooter was worried about property damage, speaking of which, do these bullets have steel core? I would think that would be illegal.

I wasn't thinking of property damage, just that it's surprising that 200 hundred rounds penetrating hotel rooms did not hit anyone in those rooms. Just the security guard, once in the leg.

I'm not denying that it didn't happen as reported, just that it seems odd.

 

[KeepTalking]

I doubt that the shooter was worried about property damage, speaking of which, do these bullets have steel core? I would think that would be illegal.

I wasn't thinking of property damage, just that it's surprising that 200 hundred rounds penetrating hotel rooms did not hit anyone in those rooms. Just the security guard, once in the leg.

I'm not denying that it didn't happen as reported, just that it seems odd.

Well, it was late evening in Las Vegas, if you are in your room at that time, you aren't doing it right.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

Huge update!!!

Hotel says shooter opened fire on crowd within a minute of shooting the guard.

Based on this change, I think it is fair to say we must rush to conclusions at this point.

This was a false flag operation run by the NRA in order to give them another opportunity to sound like fucking pricks after dozens of people were massacred.

 

[Don2 (Don1 Revised)]

Huge update!!!

Hotel says shooter opened fire on crowd within a minute of shooting the guard.

Based on this change, I think it is fair to say we must rush to conclusions at this point.

This was a false flag operation run by the NRA in order to give them another opportunity to sound like fucking pricks after dozens of people were massacred.

From your link,

It was the latest head-turning change in the investigation that has been frustrating for all involved. Since the Oct. 1 massacre, the timeline of the shooting has changed several times and police and hotel officials can't seem to agree on the basics of when the shooting happened.

There are plenty of smart phone videos of the event, right, and so we ought to be able to check time on those to arrive at a decent beginning time?

 

[RVonse]

I don't like looking or sounding like a conspiracy theorist, but there has been something bothering me about the guard that was shot in Las Vegas. Granted, it is crazy talk to suggest a conspiracy between himself and the shooter, as if there is evidence of a relationship, it would come out.

I don't think you are crazy. I think everyone else is crazy just to consider some of this crap. There are other things about this that generally do not make sense to me either:

1.The motive - Even the official explanation is lacking so far. Nothing about that part makes sense.
2. The supposed income of the shooter as a "professional gambler" - Who else do you know who can make a long term living beating Las Vegas casino's day after day?
3. The bump stocks - Why not just get real automatic weapons if you have the kind of resources the shooter had?
4. Why does no one talk about all the security camera's that are standard equipment in a casino? Why do we not get to see any of this Mandalay video that would put everything to bed already?
5. Why do we start obsessing about gun control before we even know for sure ISIS was not involved. Before even a rational "official explanation and timeline is offered"?

I don't think any of us will ever know what happened. Its looking more and more like another JFK dog and pony show all over again.

 

[Horatio Parker]

From your link,

It was the latest head-turning change in the investigation that has been frustrating for all involved. Since the Oct. 1 massacre, the timeline of the shooting has changed several times and police and hotel officials can't seem to agree on the basics of when the shooting happened.

There are plenty of smart phone videos of the event, right, and so we ought to be able to check time on those to arrive at a decent beginning time?

But what records are there of the security guards shooting? And who owns them? It's in the hotels interest to show they reacted appropriately, which makes this change suspect.

Will the police be satisfied with what the hotel says happened?

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

I don't like looking or sounding like a conspiracy theorist, but there has been something bothering me about the guard that was shot in Las Vegas. Granted, it is crazy talk to suggest a conspiracy between himself and the shooter, as if there is evidence of a relationship, it would come out.

I don't think you are crazy. I think everyone else is crazy just to consider some of this crap. There are other things about this that generally do not make sense to me either:

1.The motive - Even the official explanation is lacking so far. Nothing about that part makes sense.

Guy wants to kill lots of people. This isn't exactly unheard of.

2. The supposed income of the shooter as a "professional gambler" - Who else do you know who can make a long term living beating Las Vegas casino's day after day?

He was retired. He gambled for fun. Clearly he was good enough if he had a room with a fucking bar in it.

3. The bump stocks - Why not just get real automatic weapons if you have the kind of resources the shooter had?

Likely it requires more paper work.

4. Why does no one talk about all the security camera's that are standard equipment in a casino? Why do we not get to see any of this Mandalay video that would put everything to bed already?

Well typically those casino cameras are in the umm... CASINO!!!!

5. Why do we start obsessing about gun control before we even know for sure ISIS was not involved. Before even a rational "official explanation and timeline is offered"?

If they said it was ISIS, it'd be a false flag. Now because they aren't saying it was ISIS... it's a false flag. OMG!!! My guns! My fucking guns! I love my guns! Sure 58 people are de... but my guns!

I don't think any of us will ever know what happened.

My curiosity was about a security guard getting shot at a lot, but hit only once and the timeline, which has been remodified... which I can appreciate as there are so many layers to go through. My only concern was whether the guard was involved in the plot... not if ISIS pulled off a massive attack or the lizard people are trying to steal your guns.

Its looking more and more like another JFK dog and pony show all over again.

They found explosives in his car (or at home), he tried to blowup a couple fuel tanks, and there were a lot of guns at his home. This is a very thorough false flag op if they framed this guy...

...maybe it was Warren Beatty?

 

[Malintent]

1.The motive - Even the official explanation is lacking so far. Nothing about that part makes sense.

he was a rich white guy.. so it doesn't seem to make "sense"... if it was a poor black guy, or a religious Muslim, would it then make more "sense" to you? I put "sense" in quotes as a placeholder for the correct term, "stereotypical".

2. The supposed income of the shooter as a "professional gambler" - Who else do you know who can make a long term living beating Las Vegas casino's day after day?

who ELSE? You knew that guy?? I don't know any professional gamblers (I know a few hobbyists that do very well, but not their primary source of income).
Ron Harris - Programmer turned professional gambler after learning about software flaws in certain gambling machines
Gonzalo Garcia-Pelayo - failed movie producer turned professional gambler after figuring out how to beat Roulette.
Dominic LoRiggio - professional blackjack player and dice thrower... he could throw the same roll a few times in a row with physical skills
Keith Taft - professional gambler that invented a toe-operated card-counting machine
Ida Summers (the Vegas Vixin) - used her looks to distract and possessed some fancy card handling skills (mucking) to manipulate a poker table
Tommy Carmichael - invented the monkey paw to steal money from slot machines (pre-microprocessor)
Louis Colavecchio - forged coins for slots
...

and lets not forget the famous "21 team" from MIT. Math and statistics geniuses that made over 3 million dollars counting cards in blackjack.

3. The bump stocks - Why not just get real automatic weapons if you have the kind of resources the shooter had?

he didn't need them. Why break the law and risk getting caught when you can do the same thing legally with bump stocks? He was firing at "fish in a barrel".. the inaccuracy of the modded guns he used was irrelevant when you don't care which person in a group you hit.

4. Why does no one talk about all the security camera's that are standard equipment in a casino? Why do we not get to see any of this Mandalay video that would put everything to bed already?

This did not occur in the casino. It occurred WAY above the casino in a guest room. You think hotels in Vegas have cameras in the rooms and all of the hallways? You think that even if they do, they have 1,000 guards watching the live feed from every corner of the facility?

5. Why do we start obsessing about gun control before we even know for sure ISIS was not involved. Before even a rational "official explanation and timeline is offered"?

because a) we DO know it was not "ISIS". and b) we DO know he legally bought all of the guns.. Knowing this, you think gun control is not the answer for the "out of control" amount and nature of guns he owned?

I don't think any of us will ever know what happened. Its looking more and more like another JFK dog and pony show all over again.

We KNOW what happened. We may never know WHY it happened. I suppose if everything went precisely the same way as it did, except the shooter was a Muslim, then you might feel like you know EXACTLY what happened.... and that is shameful.

 

[Malintent]

Not sure why people are so confused about the security guard. Did you not hear the audio of the call? I did. It is clear what happened to the guard.

The guard was sent to investigate an alarm on the same floor as the shooter, that indicated an emergency exit door was propped open (and here is where the "theories" of the shooter having an "escape plan" may have come from).
When the guard came to the door that was setting off the alarm, the shooter opened fire down the hall. The guard was hit, and he moved into a vestibule of a nearby doorway for cover. The guard had no idea where the shots came from, except "from down the hall". He reported what floor and what hallway he was in, but was unable to tell which exact room the shots came from.

What is the "odd" part of this?

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

Not sure why people are so confused about the security guard. Did you not hear the audio of the call? I did. It is clear what happened to the guard.

The guard was sent to investigate an alarm on the same floor as the shooter, that indicated an emergency exit door was propped open (and here is where the "theories" of the shooter having an "escape plan" may have come from).
When the guard came to the door that was setting off the alarm, the shooter opened fire down the hall. The guard was hit, and he moved into a vestibule of a nearby doorway for cover. The guard had no idea where the shots came from, except "from down the hall". He reported what floor and what hallway he was in, but was unable to tell which exact room the shots came from.

What is the "odd" part of this?

All the details... it is too detailed. Very suspicious.

I hadn't heard that.

 

[blastula]

Not sure why people are so confused about the security guard. Did you not hear the audio of the call? I did. It is clear what happened to the guard.

The guard was sent to investigate an alarm on the same floor as the shooter, that indicated an emergency exit door was propped open (and here is where the "theories" of the shooter having an "escape plan" may have come from).
When the guard came to the door that was setting off the alarm, the shooter opened fire down the hall. The guard was hit, and he moved into a vestibule of a nearby doorway for cover. The guard had no idea where the shots came from, except "from down the hall". He reported what floor and what hallway he was in, but was unable to tell which exact room the shots came from.

What is the "odd" part of this?

There is a conflict between police and hotel of when the guard was shot.

 

[coloradoatheist]

Not sure why people are so confused about the security guard. Did you not hear the audio of the call? I did. It is clear what happened to the guard.

The guard was sent to investigate an alarm on the same floor as the shooter, that indicated an emergency exit door was propped open (and here is where the "theories" of the shooter having an "escape plan" may have come from).
When the guard came to the door that was setting off the alarm, the shooter opened fire down the hall. The guard was hit, and he moved into a vestibule of a nearby doorway for cover. The guard had no idea where the shots came from, except "from down the hall". He reported what floor and what hallway he was in, but was unable to tell which exact room the shots came from.

What is the "odd" part of this?

There is a conflict between police and hotel of when the guard was shot.

While nothing is normal about this case. Shooting the door to practice the gun or stop someone from getting in sounds fine. The waiting for 6 minutes to start shooting again is weird because he had no way of knowing if a cop was with him or more cops. The start shooting 40 seconds later sounds more reasonable.

 

[J842P]

He had 47 guns.

That's the total, but not all were in his Hotel room;

''Forty-seven guns were found in the suspected Las Vegas shooter's hotel suite and two homes, police said Tuesday night at a press conference.''

Yes, you are right. But, at least according to wikipedia, he had 23 guns in the room with him, including several high-capacity magazines capable of holding 100 rounds.

 

[blastula]

There is a conflict between police and hotel of when the guard was shot.

While nothing is normal about this case. Shooting the door to practice the gun or stop someone from getting in sounds fine. The waiting for 6 minutes to start shooting again is weird because he had no way of knowing if a cop was with him or more cops. The start shooting 40 seconds later sounds more reasonable.

Sure, it could even be the guard's appearance led the shooter to decide to start shooting outside at that time, maybe earlier than he wanted. And that is quite different than the earlier story that the guard interrupted the shooting. I do trust it will be straightened out eventually.

 

[ZiprHead]

3. The bump stocks - Why not just get real automatic weapons if you have the kind of resources the shooter had?

Likely it requires more paper work.

Full auto weapons are legal in Nevada but require a special permit from the Federal government to purchase. I'm sure that would bring the guy under a whole lot more scrutiny than he wanted.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

I doubt that the shooter was worried about property damage, speaking of which, do these bullets have steel core? I would think that would be illegal.

I wasn't thinking of property damage, just that it's surprising that 200 hundred rounds penetrating hotel rooms did not hit anyone in those rooms. Just the security guard, once in the leg.

I'm not denying that it didn't happen as reported, just that it seems odd.

I suspect there were few people in those rooms--they were probably out doing something. It was too early for very many people to be asleep.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

2. The supposed income of the shooter as a "professional gambler" - Who else do you know who can make a long term living beating Las Vegas casino's day after day?

1) There are people who can do so. It's actually easy enough to do with training and practice. The limiting factor is it's effectively impossible to make any large amount of money without the casino becoming aware of it and banning you.

2) You can be a professional gambler without beating the casino. In poker you're not trying to beat the casino, but the other players. If you're good enough you can do this. Long ago I knew someone who made a bit of money this way, although it wasn't really a profession for him.

3. The bump stocks - Why not just get real automatic weapons if you have the kind of resources the shooter had?

It's much harder and why would he bother?

4. Why does no one talk about all the security camera's that are standard equipment in a casino? Why do we not get to see any of this Mandalay video that would put everything to bed already?

There are cameras all over the casino and substantial coverage in the areas around it such as parking lots. Not so much up in the corridors of the hotel and none in the rooms themselves. Everything took place in the hotel, not the casino. The hotel towers are card-access only and not an area with much of any crime, I wouldn't be surprised if the only cameras were in the elevators.

5. Why do we start obsessing about gun control before we even know for sure ISIS was not involved. Before even a rational "official explanation and timeline is offered"?

Because the gun-banners will beat their drums over every mass shooting regardless of who is responsible. No mystery at all here.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

The guard was sent to investigate an alarm on the same floor as the shooter, that indicated an emergency exit door was propped open (and here is where the "theories" of the shooter having an "escape plan" may have come from).

He had a bunch of guns and explosives in his car. That strongly suggests he was intending to do something with them, not to die in the room.

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Likely it requires more paper work.

Full auto weapons are legal in Nevada but require a special permit from the Federal government to purchase. I'm sure that would bring the guy under a whole lot more scrutiny than he wanted.

And this guy started amassing weapons about a year before this. A year very well might not be enough time for the paperwork of a full-auto weapon.

 

[blastula]

He gambled a lot, but nobody said he made a living at it.

 

[Crazy Eddie]

he was a rich white guy.. so it doesn't seem to make "sense"... if it was a poor black guy, or a religious Muslim, would it then make more "sense" to you?

What he IS doesn't matter so much as what he ISN'T. That is, he doesn't appear to have a criminal record. He doesn't seem connected to any known terrorist organizations. He doesn't have (that we can tell) any discernible right-wing agenda or political aspirations.

To be honest, I still don't understand the motivation of the D.C. Snipers, just that their actions seemed to be somehow inspired by 9/11 and are vaguely islamist/terrorism based.

We KNOW what happened. We may never know WHY it happened. I suppose if everything went precisely the same way as it did, except the shooter was a Muslim, then you might feel like you know EXACTLY what happened.... and that is shameful.

If the shooter was Muslim, I would EXPECT to find some evidence of connection to ISIS or Al Qaida or something and then might be puzzled when no such connection showed up. If the shooter was black or latino I would expect the same, though I would also keep my eyes out for some connection to, say, Antifa or the New Black Panthers or La Raza or something, seeing how the planning and execution of this attack just screams "terrorism." But he's a white guy, so I am mainly surprised he hasn't been linked to the Aryan Nations or some Christian Identity movement or something.