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Why does Iran hate Isreal?

Bollocks. Hamas doesn't care about the settlements: they haven't launched a single attack against the settlements in West Bank in recent years, unless you count the botched kidnapping of those three kids.

In a way, Hamas is following Hebzollah's footsteps. After Israel withdrew from Lebanon in 2000, Hezbollah didn't give up its weapons. On the contrary, it started stocking up and kept sniping at Israel. It only stopped after 2006 when Israel retaliated in excessive force. If history is any indication, only way to stop fuckers like Hezbollah or Hamas is to kill people. Sad but true, once you let the conflict into the point where such groups get into power, there is no winding back the clock to get rid of them.
Hamas won't exist very long in a sovereign Palestine.

The people will have far more important things to do than worry about Israel.

The only reason they care about Israel now is because it's boot is slowly crushing them. Remove the boot and there is no reason to give a damn about Israel.
You've nailed the exact reason why Hamas keeps doing what it's doing. They don't want a sovereign state, unless it's by their own terms, which is why they keep starting these pointless wars with Israel.
 
Hamas won't exist very long in a sovereign Palestine.

The people will have far more important things to do than worry about Israel.

The only reason they care about Israel now is because it's boot is slowly crushing them. Remove the boot and there is no reason to give a damn about Israel.
You've nailed the exact reason why Hamas keeps doing what it's doing. They don't want a sovereign state, unless it's by their own terms, which is why they keep starting these pointless wars with Israel.
Everybody wants a sovereign state. Nobody wants to live under the boot of some foreign power that keeps stealing land from you.
 
Source? Not for the smartphone part, but for the smuggling from Israel. I've heard the claim made a few times before but I've not seen any news or articles that would back up that there is any significant smuggling from Israel to Gaza directly. Iimagine that if Israeli criminal element is involved, it'd be a lot easier to smuggle stuff first over the border to Egypt and then via tunnels back to Gaza.
Nothing I can track down on short notice, but about a year or two ago there was a slew of articles in the Israeli press about organized criminals being indicted on smuggling and bribery charges for trafficking in stolen goods across the Gaza border. Later on in 2012 there was a similar issue -- accusations from locals, mainly -- that the smugglers had started moving Ecstasy out of a source in Gaza. I never did get to the followup on that story (assuming there was one) but there wasn't much of a concern that it had anything much to do with terrorism. The subtext, actually, was that criminal elements on both sides of the border were profiteering off the war zone.

As for your earlier comment, I doubt hamas figured out by themselves how to make and fire Fajr rockets.
Not on their own, no. The Iranians sold them the blueprints.

But the fact is they don't need to smuggle the parts OR the fuel if they have even basic knowledge of how to construct them and enough time to setup a manufacturing capability. They have had both.
The article says nothing about Iran "selling" the blueprints, but giving them. And besides, it's not like IRGC would openly admit training or supplying parts anyway. All they need is plausible deniability.
I'm not even sure the Republican Guards would be AWARE of it as an organization if they were actually selling the parts. That they admit to have provided the technology is probably more of a realization than it is an admission.
 
Hamas won't exist very long in a sovereign Palestine.

The people will have far more important things to do than worry about Israel.

The only reason they care about Israel now is because it's boot is slowly crushing them. Remove the boot and there is no reason to give a damn about Israel.
You've nailed the exact reason why Hamas keeps doing what it's doing. They don't want a sovereign state, unless it's by their own terms, which is why they keep starting these pointless wars with Israel.
Except that in THIS case, Hamas didn't actually start this war. In light of this it must also be realized that Israel finds it a lot easier to bomb the living shit out of a stateless collection of penniless Arabs than to actually reach a serious and legally binding agreement with a functioning and effective government. The former can be smacked around left and right with little more than international hand-wringing; the latter can take Israel to the ICC and potentially force them to abandon their settlements or, worse, pay war reparations for 50 years of military occupation.
 
You've nailed the exact reason why Hamas keeps doing what it's doing. They don't want a sovereign state, unless it's by their own terms, which is why they keep starting these pointless wars with Israel.
Except that in THIS case, Hamas didn't actually start this war. In light of this it must also be realized that Israel finds it a lot easier to bomb the living shit out of a stateless collection of penniless Arabs than to actually reach a serious and legally binding agreement with a functioning and effective government. The former can be smacked around left and right with little more than international hand-wringing; the latter can take Israel to the ICC and potentially force them to abandon their settlements or, worse, pay war reparations for 50 years of military occupation.
This is not a war.

This is a very powerful nation oppressing millions and slowly stealing land from them.

And it is also the resultant resistance to that oppression.

To call it a war is like calling locking up a bunch of minorities a war on drugs.
 
So where did the 10,000 rockets (or their parts and fuel) come from? Where did the cement to make those tunnels come from? Where did all the other weapons that Hamas has come from? This may be a "minority", and it's not as if Hamas has any public records on what goes in or out, but if I pull a number out of my ass and presume that only 20% are for weapons and Hamas's infrastructure use, that's still 20% that could be used for civilian purposes. Plus, without the periodical wars that Hamas starts a lot of the civilian infrastructure wouldn't have been blown to pieces.
Again, the crude rockets.

So this is all about the alleged killing of one Israeli by rockets? That's why hundreds of children have been killed and thousands terrorized?

1) The death toll in Israel is two. It's just one was a foreigner.

2) You think thousands of Israeli children haven't been terrorized?

3) The towns very near Gaza are mostly evacuated during times of war--the air raid warnings don't come fast enough.

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Again, the crude rockets.

So this is all about the alleged killing of one Israeli by rockets? That's why hundreds of children have been killed and thousands terrorized?
Why do you insist on harping on that one Israeli? It's completely irrelevant. He was killed weeks into the conflict. Hundreds of children had already died at that point. But I suspect you knew that. The issue here was Iran's support to Hamas. It doesn't matter if the rockets killed thousand Israelis or one or nobody at all. Point is that the rockets are something Hamas can't get from Saudi Arabia or Qatar, even if those two might be the biggest supporters in terms of money.

I think he sees it more like a sporting event--something where fair means similar death tolls on both sides.
 
Why do you insist on harping on that one Israeli? It's completely irrelevant. He was killed weeks into the conflict. Hundreds of children had already died at that point. But I suspect you knew that. The issue here was Iran's support to Hamas. It doesn't matter if the rockets killed thousand Israelis or one or nobody at all. Point is that the rockets are something Hamas can't get from Saudi Arabia or Qatar, even if those two might be the biggest supporters in terms of money.
So Israel attacked and began killing an unarmed mainly civilian population despite the fact that not one Israeli had been harmed by the rockets?

And how exactly is this brutal attack justified?

Israel has the right to kill to defend itself from worthless rocket fire?

1) Three teens were dead.

2) Just because the rockets hadn't killed yet doesn't mean they didn't harm people.

3) The normal legal standard is that you can reply to potentially lethal force with potentially lethal force. Once that line is crossed basically everything is equal. You can reply to a blunderbuss with machine gun fire and it will be ruled self defense.
 
Source? Not for the smartphone part, but for the smuggling from Israel. I've heard the claim made a few times before but I've not seen any news or articles that would back up that there is any significant smuggling from Israel to Gaza directly. Iimagine that if Israeli criminal element is involved, it'd be a lot easier to smuggle stuff first over the border to Egypt and then via tunnels back to Gaza.

There are few things that are blockaded, there's no reason to smuggle from Israel to Egypt. You can bring that smart phone in openly. The limits are financial--Gaza simply can't afford much.

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Israel can get rid of the rockets without killing people.

Give up it's dreams of expansion and make peace.

They prefer to kill Palestinian children and maintain the settlements.

The Palestinians have said that 67 borders won't bring peace. Why don't you believe them?
 
In a way, Hamas is following Hebzollah's footsteps. After Israel withdrew from Lebanon in 2000, Hezbollah didn't give up its weapons. On the contrary, it started stocking up and kept sniping at Israel. It only stopped after 2006 when Israel retaliated in excessive force. If history is any indication, only way to stop fuckers like Hezbollah or Hamas is to kill people (though the reason Hezbollah was deterred wasn't the lives lost, it was the costly infrastructure losses. The people that got killed were largely collateral damage, just like in Gaza). Sad but true, once you let the conflict into the point where such groups get into power, there is no winding back the clock to get rid of them.

Stopped??

1) They've been bringing in rockets ever since the war. Last I heard it was 40k rockets--and that's old data, the current number is certainly higher. (Yes, there are peacekeepers there to stop that. They're all named Helen Keller.)

2) They tried to provoke a conflict in 2010. Israel didn't respond as they expected, they didn't get to frame Israel.

3) The main thing they've been doing has been taking control of Lebanon.

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Bollocks. Hamas doesn't care about the settlements: they haven't launched a single attack against the settlements in West Bank in recent years, unless you count the botched kidnapping of those three kids.

In a way, Hamas is following Hebzollah's footsteps. After Israel withdrew from Lebanon in 2000, Hezbollah didn't give up its weapons. On the contrary, it started stocking up and kept sniping at Israel. It only stopped after 2006 when Israel retaliated in excessive force. If history is any indication, only way to stop fuckers like Hezbollah or Hamas is to kill people. Sad but true, once you let the conflict into the point where such groups get into power, there is no winding back the clock to get rid of them.
Hamas won't exist very long in a sovereign Palestine.

The people will have far more important things to do than worry about Israel.

The only reason they care about Israel now is because it's boot is slowly crushing them. Remove the boot and there is no reason to give a damn about Israel.

You need to read what they say.

They care about Israel because it's on land they regard as Muslim.
 
You've nailed the exact reason why Hamas keeps doing what it's doing. They don't want a sovereign state, unless it's by their own terms, which is why they keep starting these pointless wars with Israel.
Everybody wants a sovereign state. Nobody wants to live under the boot of some foreign power that keeps stealing land from you.
Hence, "unless it's by their own terms". Sovereign Palestinian state is of course on Hamas's list of priorities, somewhere below ensuring Hamas's own survival, staying in power, and maintaining a perpetual war against Israel.

And Israel isn't stealing any land from Hamas. They've got Gaza, while Israel expansion is happening in West Bank. Hamas couldn't care less about what happens in West Bank, it actually benefits them politically that Israel is screwing over Fatah.
 
Again, the crude rockets.

So this is all about the alleged killing of one Israeli by rockets? That's why hundreds of children have been killed and thousands terrorized?

1) The death toll in Israel is two. It's just one was a foreigner.
Actually it's three, two Israeli civilians and one Thai migrant worker. However the original question was, how many were killed by Iranian rockets. I believe the answer to that is just one.
 
Stopped??

1) They've been bringing in rockets ever since the war. Last I heard it was 40k rockets--and that's old data, the current number is certainly higher.
But they are not firing those rockets or crossing the border to kidnap soldiers on a regular basis, like they did before the 2006 war. There is mutual deterrence.

2) They tried to provoke a conflict in 2010. Israel didn't respond as they expected, they didn't get to frame Israel.
Bullshit. If Hezbollah wanted to provoke a conflict and frame Israel, all they would have to do is start firing the rockets on some pretext (cross border fire, or situation in Gaza, or by trying to kidnap another soldier) and escalate when Israel responds. The reality is that Hezbollah doesn't want a conflict, because it now knows what Israel is capable of doing to its expensive buildings and toys. Hezbollah has too much to lose, and practically nothing to win. Hamas on the other hand has nearly nothing to lose, and plenty to win.

3) The main thing they've been doing has been taking control of Lebanon.
Which is what they were doing even before. And more recently they've been fighting ISIS in Syria. But whatever other hobbies they might have doesn't remove the fact that the border between Israel and Lebanon has been relatively quiet, and there have been hardly any rockets that could be traced to Hezbollah in particular.
 
Is it a manufactured anti-semitism? It is not at all obvious why there is so much hatred against what is actually a small country.

Protocols of Elders of Zion, Mufti of Jerusalem, complete destruction of very ancient Jewish communities in all East Asian (isn't that from Orwell?) nations

Transferred nationalism: In mid-sentence an orator changes the enemy of Oceania; the crowd instantly transfers their hatred to the new enemy. Transferred nationalism swiftly redirects emotions from one power unit to another (e.g., Communism, Pacifism, Colour Feeling and Class Feeling). This happened during a Party Rally against the original enemy Eurasia, when the orator suddenly switches enemy in midsentence, the crowd goes wild and destroys the posters that are now against their new friend (Eurasia) and many say that this must be the act of an agent of their new enemy (and former friend) Eastasia. Even though many of the crowd must have put up the posters before the rally, they now say that the enemy has always been Eastasia.

Wiki 1984
 
The Palestinians have said that 67 borders won't bring peace. Why don't you believe them?

Probably because that's the EXACT OPPOSITE of what they've been saying for the better part of the decade?

They're talking out of both sides of their mouth.

Yes, they want a "peace" agreement on the 67 borders and with the right of return.

Even if they get it (and the right of return is a non-starter) they simply regard it as a step towards the conquest of Israel. They have made it very clear it's just a hudna.
 
Everybody wants a sovereign state. Nobody wants to live under the boot of some foreign power that keeps stealing land from you.
Hence, "unless it's by their own terms". Sovereign Palestinian state is of course on Hamas's list of priorities, somewhere below ensuring Hamas's own survival, staying in power, and maintaining a perpetual war against Israel.

And Israel isn't stealing any land from Hamas. They've got Gaza, while Israel expansion is happening in West Bank. Hamas couldn't care less about what happens in West Bank, it actually benefits them politically that Israel is screwing over Fatah.
They have been stealing land from the Palestinians for 50 years.

And they have been brutalizing the Palestinians for that long as well.

And what Hamas wants or doesn't want can't change these facts.

What EVERYBODY wants, not just the Palestinians, and not just Hamas, is a sovereign nation. NOBODY wants to live under the boot of a bunch of brutal thugs.

Hamas was born out of Israeli brutality and oppression. They are the kinds of groups that oppression creates.

Get rid of the oppression, give the people a sovereign nation and Hamas will slowly wither away. Give the Palestinians something to live for and they will care if they live or die.
 
Probably because that's the EXACT OPPOSITE of what they've been saying for the better part of the decade?

They're talking out of both sides of their mouth.
That's just another way of saying that YOU don't believe them. You personal bigotry is not a compelling argument.

Yes, they want a "peace" agreement on the 67 borders and with the right of return.
At this point, they don't even want that much. Just to address the right of return (and then primarily in the context of East Jerusalem, which DEFINITELY doesn't belong to Israel).

Even if they get it (and the right of return is a non-starter) they simply regard it as a step towards the conquest of Israel.
So what? Israel said the same thing about Palestine in 1947. Peace means that NEITHER of them will ever get all of what they want, and they'll just have to settle for peace.
 
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